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system so sometimes people the payments are in a real. sometimes a way in a week so that means this government is prepared for people with phenomena in january and february and i'm going to try and use that place to start back up and in fairness the conservative party had its annual conference this year and men just did appear to make concessions to jeremy corbyn socialist politics which we covered after the general election where tourism a lost her majority in parliament we had our first food bank in the country opened in my local hospital and instead of the being a protest outside it saying this is wrong why are people being amidst this hospital with malnutrition related diseases they celebrated it. to fill their drinks and there's a quote about. you know that put a band-aid recycle in the lifeline to sort of a you know i would i refused because this government it's got campaign of discrimination against the poor we should say it's i spoken to people you know since coming. outside the job center of universal credit one man must absolutely everything including his family he had no shoes on his face the little activities that we've been doing all the way the government we hold him accountable it's because a group site black child and girl is spread all the time collated information about the deaths and destruction caused by this government it's about people like me who write for the paper write for the blog you challenge people all the time about these issues it's about good side daypack who put their lives and their freedoms on the line to stand in front and sit in front of charms because they will not listen to peaceful protesters in a real large segment of population about twenty percent. and one of the main targets of this government's attacks on society have reveal stare at each and. you know we're suffering. a massive are because of our rights remove all. the income that we need to live on. which has led to enormous suffering and many deaths in the thousands but you know don't go down cast i mean it's horrible going to do horrible things but you know we're strong together. and that this is going to end we're going to get rid of this government. it's going to it's been seven years a really horrible sadness the united nations have found they're guilty of grave and systemic human rights abuses against people who have created a human catastrophe those are the actual words on the government's rations about was simply to deny it's happening but some like britain's parliamentary private secretary to the chancellor of the exchequer philip hammond rode back from saying things aren't happening these sanctions are quite a blunt instrument they're not really specifically they don't incentivizing people to work perhaps as well as they should be doing that was like a murder weapon well it's a crude phrase but it's essentially describes a situation where it's not being applied evenly across the country that's the m.p.u. slammed one of britain's greatest film directors ken loach arguing that what happened in his palme d'or winning film i daniel blake just isn't happening here is the star of that film on the disappearance of david gore the government minister responsible for welfare reform not turning up to an emergency debate about welfare reform they pushed this mantra that basically it's all about getting you back to work you know the six weeks wait for the money you know it's about getting you back to work getting used to well you know when you get a job you have to wait six weeks for your pay and all that you know it always pushes that we all responsibility carrot and stick and they fail to see that this is lives that are talking about here in for him not to turn up fall for it to pay for a vote is a disgrace really i mean you know have the courage of your convictions and stand up and be counted but british governments have been doing things they should arguably know are wrong for a long time according to indian politician and former u.n. diplomats just thirty five million indians died in totally unnecessary famines because of british policy the british had an active philosophy that they will not intervene in famines not. when the free market principles had to apply number to mouth who's in logic said of the land couldn't support the population that was supposed to support it then let people die and number three was a victorian principle though should not spend money that was not budgeted for so over all these grounds the british approach was not to help and famines and where india had traditionally had a culture of charity with the rulers people in times of drought and other kinds of agrarian distress what we saw with the british was a policy in which people were callously allowed to die and what is worse when the british could be exported green from the very places that people were starving in in order to fill the markets in london equally appalling when somebody tried to help they were prevented from doing so and i've recounted instances in which even a few kindly englishman would essentially threatened with deportation back home if they help the people who were dying of starvation. he'd been told famine four point three million people killed on the explicit on the day bases of explicit decisions made by winston churchill the water and prime minister and approaching that scale of carnage this year was of course yemen suffering from british support the saudi arabia the latest figures off the outbreak tell us that there are about eight hundred fifty thousand suspected cases of cholera and the death toll has crossed two thousand one fourth of these cases are little children. in addition the whole situation of nutrition is extremely wadding we have two million children who are suffering from acute malnutrition off these close to three hundred eighty five thousand children are suffering from severe malnutrition which puts them at a high risk of debt almost seven million yemenis are facing severe food insecurity which simply means they don't know where their next meal will come from activists like medea benjamin of code pink did try and join the seventeen to stop the carnage we are in fighting very hard to stop us sales to saudi arabia because we think it goes against u.s. law as well to have one senator who says yes we should keep selling weapons to the saudis as atrocious and it's not only for what they're doing in yemen i think we should put into question not just the sale of weapons but the whole alliance that the u.s. the u.k. and the western again democracies i put in quotation marks because how can you consider yourself a democracy if you are arming the very country that is responsible for spreading the extremism that we supposedly are fighting against but nothing really changed when it came to british defacto support for killing in yemen just as nato nation mainstream media continue to be one sided on iran syria and the country with the most oil on earth venezuela is near liberal opposition would be openly championed by britain's state mandated b.b.c. joining two of the seventeen who started the violence in this country tolerate. an opposition that call for the violent overthrow of the government to cause the military to rise up a media corps called on so let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in whitehall and the prime minister and ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that was never. gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power and venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic helping that is done some very interesting and quite. significant things for poor people who were regarded in the paul as white south africans used to regard the majority in that country and as for the most pressing issue of twenty seventeen the environment it's very sad because it's horrible and the whole thing you know extreme measures and to have a president who doesn't believe in climate change and on the climate change is very frightening and people have to speak up and we have to take matters into our own hands and things we can do this with providers and. do whatever we can to. note that consumer boycotts are arguably the real way to affect change is one of the most revolutionary politicians in british history nigel for rudd you know as well we caught up with the ukip firebrand on a day like many we may see in twenty eighteen one when the u.k. government was arguably rowing back from the decisive vote against new liberalism that was the brics it referendum today's a great day for westminster it's a great day for the political class great day for goldman sachs great day for most international business because effectively what the prime minister is saying is we're going to stay a full member effectively of the european union for a further two years and it's a massive two fingers up to the seventeen point four million poorly educated unwashed coaches that voted for bracks coming up after the break why could thousands of people in britain be unjustly imprisoned this christmas. levels reached record highs in u.k. jails we put justice on trial and speak to the shadow chancellor richard bergen in a special investigation that's all coming up in part two of going on the ground. everybody and stephen both towns hollywood guys suspect they were proud americans first of all i'm just george bush and r.v. him to say this is my buddy max famous financial guru and we're just a little bit different on a. good morning you know when those up with all the drama happening in our country i'm shooting the brood have fun meet everyday americans. and cooks in the store to bridge the gap this is the great american to. me. about and under them i don't have it up but that's not a cut i mean i don't know me might. find him an f one came it up about us listen to soul but you know me a little more to be still flock. of saying out of the gulf coast get. them. proud of that and then being a dozen of the kind of guys you know some of them not from one hundred to the letter but enough to hold on to something as innocent the whole. ten minimalists will go down to submit as become a hot item. not commit an unknown with contempt and then the truth. to them some come close mccown some have moments for some solace and they've got. to. come in the night blogging one out of one of the for the one that hit. here's what people have been saying about redacted in the second you pull on. the only show i go out of my way to you know a lot of the really packs a punch. is the john oliver of r t america is doing the same we are apparently better than the blue nothings but i see you've never heard of love back to the night my president of the world bank paid. me seriously he sent us an e-mail. welcome back we're outside the site of one of the worst fires in history while no one is likely to go to prison for what u.k. shadow chancellor john mcdonnell called social murder could the same political decisions he suggests killed those in the ground tragedy kill inmates in prison officers in british prisons deputy editor sebastian back a special report now investigates prisoners who could be released from the u.k. as underfunded and understaffed prison service this christmas. imprisonment for public protection or ip peace are a form of into terminate sentence brought in by the labor government in two thousand and five they were designed to protect the public from serious offenders crimes did not merit a life sentence by p.p.s. also began to be given out for less serious offenses resulting in more population over spill in already overcrowded prisons by twenty twelve after being ruled while european court they breached human rights imprisonment for public protection sentences were abolished but while they're now in twenty seventeen over three thousand people serving the sentences according to secretary of state for justice it's austerity cuts brought on by the conservative government that are to blame for your overcrowding underfunding why isn't the government dealing with i.p.p. sentences when people could be potentially people who. are found to be. back out into one of the real problems in reducing the people on the. and getting them out. of the education services and mental health services in prisons and the number of conditions people have to meet before they can be. released for their sentence and and some people have had a long time in prison than they should have done because the education courses in need to do as a condition of finishing the sentence haven't been available because i've been placed on the course available all because of cuts and missed sessions because the prisons have been so on the start that they were in a prison obviously to take them safely from the cell to get education because the conservative m.p. and member of the u.k. just a select committee disagreed that there was a crisis in u.k. prisons would you agree that there is a prison crisis right now and i don't think there is a prison crisis at the prison in my in my own constituency for example there was a violent incidence there but by and large as the inspections approved it is being run very well and it is a very calm place and i think that's what you'll find if you look across the prison system as a whole so i.p.p. senses have been abolished why the prisoners still subbing their sentences in prisons where there are still some prisoners that the law still serving that while the i.p.p. system is reveled but the key thing to concentrate on is the rehabilitation of prisoners and that comes down very much to their role in education and how the prison service can help them to move their lives on and i saw very good examples of this in germany and in denmark for example where the lines of prisons have been transformed as a result of the courses that were running and the sort of activities the work activities that they were involved in one has done is that the cox and the lack of funding in the u.k. prisons mean that they're actually have access to those courses or don't have the pastor now to cover those courses for the people who are currently serving as a still stuck in that limbo but we've changed the rules so that governors can have more authority over their own prisons which i think is a very good thing and the cool. these are all being run and are being run effectively and there are there are a huge number of prisoners who are going through them and getting the benefits of them every day that we that we see talking about them i want to speak to someone who the president of public protection sentence jamie turner rob to post office with an unloaded gun he was sentenced to all brought pre and having a firearm with intent he received tonight p.p. just ten days after they were brought in i cleared my fence on the fourteenth of april two thousand and five if. i were to commit my fence before the fourth of april ten days i would have. less so for that head and i ended up seven i is more. or less you know i'm not i'm not excusing my behavior that i was deeply ashamed of myself and i even write the guy a policy that i was this is how he was. you know sorry for any upset cops have caused which i did and i needed to be punished and in some ways i probably wanted to be punished if i saw my issues out you know always take enough evidence at the time which i was taking them for depression because anything that was a clear my head i didn't even start to command these it's hard to fences until the last when i was forty one forty two there's nothing else in my previous history that is that is violent this whole everything that looked inside me when i got the sense i never really went into my background or you know they just on paper they thought well you've done this and they gave before you did this so like ok. you're like you off and you went in and what was your experience like first day and well i don't i mean you've got five years in front of you you think through these five years and. then i can go home and that. obviously that wasn't the case because the five year period turned up and i didn't go home i was told to conserve guns have another two years to five years are you going to see the pro who are always yeah yeah and they said well i know you've got this i.p.p. sentence yeah that's right i progressed every time i counted progress i was kind of expecting to go home with a five year period not to be given another two years more. and that college deflates your bet and then just send you into a law. because you must know you know when you get to the end bit and then you think now and then and they go and sag another bit and that's what happened in basically. and you know i didn't deal with these pleas that would. ease it was i was too well he said what you just said then you were in twenty something he was abolished in twenty twelve it was yes actually when you're inside you i think this is surely i'm coming out if the effect is you know i'm a good know what my thing was h. month would be a version. of inside college in hard times and i'd always go and try and see where it was in the prison to live always at the hope that this month something's going to be in there the case is going to be i have a shorty you know i would be like war is over can i think. you know and obviously that didn't come you just get these little snippets of hope. you know i knew i had hope because i just thought. fantasist called me saying hey you know shorty someone's got to see the fairness in all this we have recently they're brought in for like seriously violent pm carneval of people the sex offenders and now it's against people yeah but yourself attempted robbery but also even smaller crimes yet as well yeah yeah you have probably mommies want to know more there is a serious and maybe and it's had. a lot of people with a lot less done a lot less than they you know i always knew that i was in that gar you know it's just a brief period it's on in my life where you know our colleague was a bit desperate and showing them myself off side to science and as if to kill somebody i simply. saying is this will be the thirty i think it's christmas is also christmas time i used this when i was with you know i just want to get it over and done with and then move on to the new year so i'm always waiting for that new year to come in i just wish in your life why i say that's what you do you just wish your life away. you know you might boast of it but there's no lady there's no law in there now to occupy your mind and you know you just the menial tasks try not to get you door closed become a train or something it's a door to be open always on and. nobody would end up in the cleaning. and i. have a lot because there's no there's never enough in the cupboard to claim with. legitimacy you go in there when. you know. the government is just withdrew squeezed squeeze the life out of it and he was underfunded in the first place and that's why they're called the problems they're in there now and what did those x. years like on his teach you had while it while you were inside. it was just tough and because it was just tough just not just fills you full of anxiety and worry and think and you just thinking constantly when i get when i'm again i just going to happen this is going to happen for me you know you just never know because sometimes you just you think you know you're never going to get you just to start thinking and i. feel when they're i've given up hope. there's understandable. they have given up. prisoners levels have reached the highest in history but there were forty one thousand cases last year but recent figures from the prison reform trust showing that for every one thousand people serving in i.p.p. there were five hundred fifty incidents of self paul i want to speak to bell from the u.k. charity the mental health center about the effect these indefinite sentences have on the mental health of inmates being in prison itself is a risk factor for a mental health difficulty you can imagine why and not knowing your release date of course for what's going to happen to you in the future is just an added risk we also know from research we did a few years ago now where when imprisonment for public protection was was still in force as a sentence many of the people who were imprisoned under those sentences had quite serious histories of mental health difficulty so it's a population that's already vulnerable compounded by the fact that people don't necessarily have any sense of when they might leave and what the future might hold for them and we need to be sure that anyone who is on imprisonment probably protection is able to get access to programs that will help them to change regardless of whether they've got mental health difficulty or not those that have may need some adjustments to make that appropriate and safe for them but we just need to ensure that the somebody is working towards a release and working towards rehabilitation in the most effective way possible but it isn't just being the sentences that are affected and hip it's partly in hotly it's given a minimum taria of two years and eleven months for robbery but thirteen years on he still in sight and his family have no idea when he's getting out it's mental torture not knowing when the going to be released and the ninety one year life sentence and. there's an even after being really the most timely alive when you have a sensation itself there's times where he wants to end his life because it doesn't say more and he ends well. you know my what anyone says or goals no one is actually doing anything to help pay pays they just the forgotten about and that's how a lot of people want them so they forgotten that i don't because the government brought how. that was an implementor proper way they do not think the sentence. they pull people for minor crimes on the ninety nine year license. we view truly did believe it's christmas you would have been here even the man who brought it in agrees that it was a mistake yet. the dave you've not got anyone that's not p.p. that's nine o'clock the role law costs and these people of have been forgotten about nine hundred people on them it's been given the sentence and they gave it some one thousand so you can imagine what the prison system was on is just for we dogs and violence it's a dog eat dog weld you've got over my skull and if you tear that mask off then you vulnerable you can't move on the ball. how damaging is that do you think for you guys especially not not mine it's hard and that's what we fight for the ivory. you might as well just announce a death penalty at least and if you can the death penalty no one is and that's what it's all about is just the not knowing and that's what the mental torture can say for the farmland for instance that in some instance. this year tens of thousands of inmates and offices will be spending their christmas in prisons all could be a breaking point on the stall on the farm did an overcrowded violence drug and cell fall continue to rice ball the thousands of prisoners who. could go free. dip if you have just about the impact and that's if it's a day's show and for this season from here in the shadow of the great bell tower one of the poorest communities and one of the richest places on earth we'll be back on new year's day with award winning journalist. victoria their reflections and predictions for twenty eighteen but back for a brand new series on wednesday the seventeenth of january but until then we'll be playing your favorite episodes from this season but don't forget you can judge by social media see you soon from the whole team of going underground to make christmas and a 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system so sometimes people the payments are in a real. sometimes a way in a week so that means this government is prepared for people with phenomena in january and february and i'm going to try and use that place to start back up and in fairness the conservative party had its annual conference this year and men just did appear to make concessions to jeremy corbyn socialist politics which we covered after the general election where tourism a lost her majority in parliament we had our first food bank in the country opened in my local hospital and instead of the being a protest outside it saying this is wrong why are people being amidst this hospital with malnutrition related diseases they celebrated it. to fill their drinks and there's a quote about. you know that put a band-aid recycle in the lifeline to sort of a you know i would i refused because this government it's got campaign of discrimination against the poor we should say it's i spoken to people you know since coming. outside the job center of universal credit one man must absolutely everything including his family he had no shoes on his face the little activities that we've been doing all the way the government we hold him accountable it's because a group site black child and girl is spread all the time collated information about the deaths and destruction caused by this government it's about people like me who write for the paper write for the blog you challenge people all the time about these issues it's about good side daypack who put their lives and their freedoms on the line to stand in front and sit in front of charms because they will not listen to peaceful protesters in a real large segment of population about twenty percent. and one of the main targets of this government's attacks on society have reveal stare at each and. you know we're suffering. a massive are because of our rights remove all. the income that we need to live on. which has led to enormous suffering and many deaths in the thousands but you know don't go down cast i mean it's horrible going to do horrible things but you know we're strong together. and that this is going to end we're going to get rid of this government. it's going to it's been seven years a really horrible sadness the united nations have found they're guilty of grave and systemic human rights abuses against people who have created a human catastrophe those are the actual words on the government's rations about was simply to deny it's happening but some like britain's parliamentary private secretary to the chancellor of the exchequer philip hammond rode back from saying things aren't happening these sanctions are quite a blunt instrument they're not really specifically they don't incentivizing people to work perhaps as well as they should be doing that was like a murder weapon well it's a crude phrase but it's essentially describes a situation where it's not being applied evenly across the country that's the m.p.u. slammed one of britain's greatest film directors ken loach arguing that what happened in his palme d'or winning film i daniel blake just isn't happening here is the star of that film on the disappearance of david gore the government minister responsible for welfare reform not turning up to an emergency debate about welfare reform they pushed this mantra that basically it's all about getting you back to work you know the six weeks wait for the money you know it's about getting you back to work getting used to well you know when you get a job you have to wait six weeks for your pay and all that you know it always pushes that we all responsibility carrot and stick and they fail to see that this is lives that are talking about here in for him not to turn up fall for it to pay for a vote is a disgrace really i mean you know have the courage of your convictions and stand up and be counted but british governments have been doing things they should arguably know are wrong for a long time according to indian politician and former u.n. diplomats just thirty five million indians died in totally unnecessary famines because of british policy the british had an active philosophy that they will not intervene in famines not. when the free market principles had to apply number to mouth who's in logic said of the land couldn't support the population that was supposed to support it then let people die and number three was a victorian principle though should not spend money that was not budgeted for so over all these grounds the british approach was not to help and famines and where india had traditionally had a culture of charity with the rulers people in times of drought and other kinds of agrarian distress what we saw with the british was a policy in which people were callously allowed to die and what is worse when the british could be exported green from the very places that people were starving in in order to fill the markets in london equally appalling when somebody tried to help they were prevented from doing so and i've recounted instances in which even a few kindly englishman would essentially threatened with deportation back home if they help the people who were dying of starvation. he'd been told famine four point three million people killed on the explicit on the day bases of explicit decisions made by winston churchill the water and prime minister and approaching that scale of carnage this year was of course yemen suffering from british support the saudi arabia the latest figures off the outbreak tell us that there are about eight hundred fifty thousand suspected cases of cholera and the death toll has crossed two thousand one fourth of these cases are little children. in addition the whole situation of nutrition is extremely wadding we have two million children who are suffering from acute malnutrition off these close to three hundred eighty five thousand children are suffering from severe malnutrition which puts them at a high risk of debt almost seven million yemenis are facing severe food insecurity which simply means they don't know where their next meal will come from activists like medea benjamin of code pink did try and join the seventeen to stop the carnage we are in fighting very hard to stop us sales to saudi arabia because we think it goes against u.s. law as well to have one senator who says yes we should keep selling weapons to the saudis as atrocious and it's not only for what they're doing in yemen i think we should put into question not just the sale of weapons but the whole alliance that the u.s. the u.k. and the western again democracies i put in quotation marks because how can you consider yourself a democracy if you are arming the very country that is responsible for spreading the extremism that we supposedly are fighting against but nothing really changed when it came to british defacto support for killing in yemen just as nato nation mainstream media continue to be one sided on iran syria and the country with the most oil on earth venezuela is near liberal opposition would be openly championed by britain's state mandated b.b.c. joining two of the seventeen who started the violence in this country tolerate. an opposition that call for the violent overthrow of the government to cause the military to rise up a media corps called on so let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in whitehall and the prime minister and ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that was never. gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power and venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic helping that is done some very interesting and quite. significant things for poor people who were regarded in the paul as white south africans used to regard the majority in that country and as for the most pressing issue of twenty seventeen the environment it's very sad because it's horrible and the whole thing you know extreme measures and to have a president who doesn't believe in climate change and on the climate change is very frightening and people have to speak up and we have to take matters into our own hands and things we can do this with providers and. do whatever we can to. note that consumer boycotts are arguably the real way to affect change is one of the most revolutionary politicians in british history nigel for rudd you know as well we caught up with the ukip firebrand on a day like many we may see in twenty eighteen one when the u.k. government was arguably rowing back from the decisive vote against new liberalism that was the brics it referendum today's a great day for westminster it's a great day for the political class great day for goldman sachs great day for most international business because effectively what the prime minister is saying is we're going to stay a full member effectively of the european union for a further two years and it's a massive two fingers up to the seventeen point four million poorly educated unwashed coaches that voted for bracks coming up after the break why could thousands of people in britain be unjustly imprisoned this christmas. levels reached record highs in u.k. jails we put justice on trial and speak to the shadow chancellor richard bergen in a special investigation that's all coming up in part two of going on the ground. everybody and stephen both towns hollywood guys suspect they were proud americans first of all i'm just george bush and r.v. him to say this is my buddy max famous financial guru and we're just a little bit different on a. good morning you know when those up with all the drama happening in our country i'm shooting the brood have fun meet everyday americans. and cooks in the store to bridge the gap this is the great american to. me. about and under them i don't have it up but that's not a cut i mean i don't know me might. find him an f one came it up about us listen to soul but you know me a little more to be still flock. of saying out of the gulf coast get. them. proud of that and then being a dozen of the kind of guys you know some of them not from one hundred to the letter but enough to hold on to something as innocent the whole. ten minimalists will go down to submit as become a hot item. not commit an unknown with contempt and then the truth. to them some come close mccown some have moments for some solace and they've got. to. come in the night blogging one out of one of the for the one that hit. here's what people have been saying about redacted in the second you pull on. the only show i go out of my way to you know a lot of the really packs a punch. is the john oliver of r t america is doing the same we are apparently better than the blue nothings but i see you've never heard of love back to the night my president of the world bank paid. me seriously he sent us an e-mail. welcome back we're outside the site of one of the worst fires in history while no one is likely to go to prison for what u.k. shadow chancellor john mcdonnell called social murder could the same political decisions he suggests killed those in the ground tragedy kill inmates in prison officers in british prisons deputy editor sebastian back a special report now investigates prisoners who could be released from the u.k. as underfunded and understaffed prison service this christmas. imprisonment for public protection or ip peace are a form of into terminate sentence brought in by the labor government in two thousand and five they were designed to protect the public from serious offenders crimes did not merit a life sentence by p.p.s. also began to be given out for less serious offenses resulting in more population over spill in already overcrowded prisons by twenty twelve after being ruled while european court they breached human rights imprisonment for public protection sentences were abolished but while they're now in twenty seventeen over three thousand people serving the sentences according to secretary of state for justice it's austerity cuts brought on by the conservative government that are to blame for your overcrowding underfunding why isn't the government dealing with i.p.p. sentences when people could be potentially people who. are found to be. back out into one of the real problems in reducing the people on the. and getting them out. of the education services and mental health services in prisons and the number of conditions people have to meet before they can be. released for their sentence and and some people have had a long time in prison than they should have done because the education courses in need to do as a condition of finishing the sentence haven't been available because i've been placed on the course available all because of cuts and missed sessions because the prisons have been so on the start that they were in a prison obviously to take them safely from the cell to get education because the conservative m.p. and member of the u.k. just a select committee disagreed that there was a crisis in u.k. prisons would you agree that there is a prison crisis right now and i don't think there is a prison crisis at the prison in my in my own constituency for example there was a violent incidence there but by and large as the inspections approved it is being run very well and it is a very calm place and i think that's what you'll find if you look across the prison system as a whole so i.p.p. senses have been abolished why the prisoners still subbing their sentences in prisons where there are still some prisoners that the law still serving that while the i.p.p. system is reveled but the key thing to concentrate on is the rehabilitation of prisoners and that comes down very much to their role in education and how the prison service can help them to move their lives on and i saw very good examples of this in germany and in denmark for example where the lines of prisons have been transformed as a result of the courses that were running and the sort of activities the work activities that they were involved in one has done is that the cox and the lack of funding in the u.k. prisons mean that they're actually have access to those courses or don't have the pastor now to cover those courses for the people who are currently serving as a still stuck in that limbo but we've changed the rules so that governors can have more authority over their own prisons which i think is a very good thing and the cool. these are all being run and are being run effectively and there are there are a huge number of prisoners who are going through them and getting the benefits of them every day that we that we see talking about them i want to speak to someone who the president of public protection sentence jamie turner rob to post office with an unloaded gun he was sentenced to all brought pre and having a firearm with intent he received tonight p.p. just ten days after they were brought in i cleared my fence on the fourteenth of april two thousand and five if. i were to commit my fence before the fourth of april ten days i would have. less so for that head and i ended up seven i is more. or less you know i'm not i'm not excusing my behavior that i was deeply ashamed of myself and i even write the guy a policy that i was this is how he was. you know sorry for any upset cops have caused which i did and i needed to be punished and in some ways i probably wanted to be punished if i saw my issues out you know always take enough evidence at the time which i was taking them for depression because anything that was a clear my head i didn't even start to command these it's hard to fences until the last when i was forty one forty two there's nothing else in my previous history that is that is violent this whole everything that looked inside me when i got the sense i never really went into my background or you know they just on paper they thought well you've done this and they gave before you did this so like ok. you're like you off and you went in and what was your experience like first day and well i don't i mean you've got five years in front of you you think through these five years and. then i can go home and that. obviously that wasn't the case because the five year period turned up and i didn't go home i was told to conserve guns have another two years to five years are you going to see the pro who are always yeah yeah and they said well i know you've got this i.p.p. sentence yeah that's right i progressed every time i counted progress i was kind of expecting to go home with a five year period not to be given another two years more. and that college deflates your bet and then just send you into a law. because you must know you know when you get to the end bit and then you think now and then and they go and sag another bit and that's what happened in basically. and you know i didn't deal with these pleas that would. ease it was i was too well he said what you just said then you were in twenty something he was abolished in twenty twelve it was yes actually when you're inside you i think this is surely i'm coming out if the effect is you know i'm a good know what my thing was h. month would be a version. of inside college in hard times and i'd always go and try and see where it was in the prison to live always at the hope that this month something's going to be in there the case is going to be i have a shorty you know i would be like war is over can i think. you know and obviously that didn't come you just get these little snippets of hope. you know i knew i had hope because i just thought. fantasist called me saying hey you know shorty someone's got to see the fairness in all this we have recently they're brought in for like seriously violent pm carneval of people the sex offenders and now it's against people yeah but yourself attempted robbery but also even smaller crimes yet as well yeah yeah you have probably mommies want to know more there is a serious and maybe and it's had. a lot of people with a lot less done a lot less than they you know i always knew that i was in that gar you know it's just a brief period it's on in my life where you know our colleague was a bit desperate and showing them myself off side to science and as if to kill somebody i simply. saying is this will be the thirty i think it's christmas is also christmas time i used this when i was with you know i just want to get it over and done with and then move on to the new year so i'm always waiting for that new year to come in i just wish in your life why i say that's what you do you just wish your life away. you know you might boast of it but there's no lady there's no law in there now to occupy your mind and you know you just the menial tasks try not to get you door closed become a train or something it's a door to be open always on and. nobody would end up in the cleaning. and i. have a lot because there's no there's never enough in the cupboard to claim with. legitimacy you go in there when. you know. the government is just withdrew squeezed squeeze the life out of it and he was underfunded in the first place and that's why they're called the problems they're in there now and what did those x. years like on his teach you had while it while you were inside. it was just tough and because it was just tough just not just fills you full of anxiety and worry and think and you just thinking constantly when i get when i'm again i just going to happen this is going to happen for me you know you just never know because sometimes you just you think you know you're never going to get you just to start thinking and i. feel when they're i've given up hope. there's understandable. they have given up. prisoners levels have reached the highest in history but there were forty one thousand cases last year but recent figures from the prison reform trust showing that for every one thousand people serving in i.p.p. there were five hundred fifty incidents of self paul i want to speak to bell from the u.k. charity the mental health center about the effect these indefinite sentences have on the mental health of inmates being in prison itself is a risk factor for a mental health difficulty you can imagine why and not knowing your release date of course for what's going to happen to you in the future is just an added risk we also know from research we did a few years ago now where when imprisonment for public protection was was still in force as a sentence many of the people who were imprisoned under those sentences had quite serious histories of mental health difficulty so it's a population that's already vulnerable compounded by the fact that people don't necessarily have any sense of when they might leave and what the future might hold for them and we need to be sure that anyone who is on imprisonment probably protection is able to get access to programs that will help them to change regardless of whether they've got mental health difficulty or not those that have may need some adjustments to make that appropriate and safe for them but we just need to ensure that the somebody is working towards a release and working towards rehabilitation in the most effective way possible but it isn't just being the sentences that are affected and hip it's partly in hotly it's given a minimum taria of two years and eleven months for robbery but thirteen years on he still in sight and his family have no idea when he's getting out it's mental torture not knowing when the going to be released and the ninety one year life sentence and. there's an even after being really the most timely alive when you have a sensation itself there's times where he wants to end his life because it doesn't say more and he ends well. you know my what anyone says or goals no one is actually doing anything to help pay pays they just the forgotten about and that's how a lot of people want them so they forgotten that i don't because the government brought how. that was an implementor proper way they do not think the sentence. they pull people for minor crimes on the ninety nine year license. we view truly did believe it's christmas you would have been here even the man who brought it in agrees that it was a mistake yet. the dave you've not got anyone that's not p.p. that's nine o'clock the role law costs and these people of have been forgotten about nine hundred people on them it's been given the sentence and they gave it some one thousand so you can imagine what the prison system was on is just for we dogs and violence it's a dog eat dog weld you've got over my skull and if you tear that mask off then you vulnerable you can't move on the ball. how damaging is that do you think for you guys especially not not mine it's hard and that's what we fight for the ivory. you might as well just announce a death penalty at least and if you can the death penalty no one is and that's what it's all about is just the not knowing and that's what the mental torture can say for the farmland for instance that in some instance. this year tens of thousands of inmates and offices will be spending their christmas in prisons all could be a breaking point on the stall on the farm did an overcrowded violence drug and cell fall continue to rice ball the thousands of prisoners who. could go free. dip if you have just about the impact and that's if it's a day's show and for this season from here in the shadow of the great bell tower one of the poorest communities and one of the richest places on earth we'll be back on new year's day with award winning journalist. victoria their reflections and predictions for twenty eighteen but back for a brand new series on wednesday the seventeenth of january but until then we'll be playing your favorite episodes from this season but don't forget you can judge by social media see you soon from the whole team of going underground to make christmas and a happy and peaceful new year. how does it feel to be a share of the greatest job in the world in a job that there is a good business model helps to run a prison now we just do it on like a nobody you know visitation i don't no one comes anymore we don't have to sergeant anymore it's cost effective that's what they want to do that as long as they don't give a damn if you do the chores or not they're actually paying us to put it back into. the louisiana incarceration rate is twice as high as the usa in breach what she could is behind such success. russian athletes taking. on a limb pics remains controversial what awaits the olympians in south korea and more important what awaits them after they get. to got manmade global warming incinerating planet earth and causing an eco hole of cars but the corporations feel like you know what that might cost us a penny at the end of the year so do have donek adjustment to our algorithm will take out the city in alaska that would flag us to take action appropriate first survival of the species and we're going to instead rely on our balance sheet and our algorithm like i'm going to g.p.s. monitoring your car that's pointing over a cliff or something i don't care if the cliff is there my algorithm says it's not there so i keep driving i do a film and always i'm going to go right over that cliff because after the data tells me. israel's prime minister orders the country's withdrawal from unesco the spy to having several recognised well heard which cites. also this hour a u.s. olympic gold medalist reveals years long abuse swat team doctor and accuses high ranking sports officials of flying assignments we speak to an elephant. who was the first to publicly come forward. i wish i could say that i was surprised but the reality with usa gymnastics is they have a decades long policy of covering up sexual abuse. and facebook admits that its fake news red flag system is having the opposite effect and even more views to suspicious.

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