A discussion and then they side to talk and rushed a group of guys with a vision with a plan with an idea that was able to rally enough people behind them to go to take the power and that group was the Muslim Brotherhood and no after the same liberals and from the military came back and they and they asked the military to come but rescue them from the islamists in this in this country when theres been a lot of political movements like occupy like fifteen and so on a lot of movements a hot huge amount of will behind them had a huge amount of meant. Like the arab spring. Why were these revolutions the only in syria. With the in the they were able to see succeed they were in the right usually answered that and that is because they have a lot of experience of fighting against states in various countries theyre pretty battle hardened and that kind of i do. It has been sustained not by. Essentially for for decades and. I dont want to be to contradict it but i think that all due respect they havent been given a chance to build their state to the same extent as lets say the Muslim Brotherhood in egypt has because they have never formally came to power sure they control certain territories in syria but again series of war torn country and those conditions are. Not the regular conditions in the beginning of the Syrian Civil War there is a very big Syrian Opposition that was supported by most of the western states qatar saudi arabia. The Kurdish Movement was very Small Movement it was only if in strip of land in north syria. What happened is the Syrian Government imploded turkish grillers crossed over the mountains into syria and they were able to organize the population to get to get them to organize economically to create Civil Administration to form their own selfdefense committees. That they had like a plan and a vision for the society they said ok guys this is what were doing this is how were going to do it and not only that there needs to be the needs to be something that brings people together and so. In. North syria. What they what they have is a sense of historical trajectory a sense of destiny they this able to give people enough give people the will of the energy to work towards something bigger and to bring the population together for instance you can go to any town and city and theres an uncultured into. A comics and media center. Melissa polity many different places and theres people working on different kinds of projects i have different you just communities and i just had just what youre saying that way let me finish but theres people working on all different kinds of projects but this is energy is feeling of solidarity between people because there are no single trajectory when you go from somewhere like that to the west you just feel that energy is completely gone and its not because theyre in a war is not because theyre noise because its a belief in a society now in the west where we find ourselves is a nihilist theres a paralysis in the paralysis in the Society People no longer believe in anything you somehow manage to end up when the or in the north in syria because i know that for many that term is. Controversial term so lets explain our viewers how on earth somebody like you who was most to preoccupy fifty phonology development of bitcoin and it up in Northern Syria fighting against isis isnt the most somebody whos only just worked on technology to have a long political history. As somebody who is committed to social change and in the end of two thousand and fourteen just by accident i discovered about the struggle of the. Original just dismissed is its a communist but the more that i began to read about the ideas for how they wanted to transform the middle east than someone whos familiar with the middle east. Is something really compelling about what they were saying and i found out that they had a revolution in north syria and i didnt know whether it was real or not i didnt know is this actually existing or is it just a much much unary but i did see something that there was really intriguing and theres a felt drawn to is not something i was i had a choice in the much i felt myself drawn to it and then. There was a moment where isis attacked kabbani looked like it was about to be destroyed and then as someone who could themselves. Hear of some people struggling for an accused ideology if i didnt somebody with the skill with the ability to go and help those people in their existential struggle in a moment of need then my whole life id not be a hypocrite mr tactic even if you are very motivated and certainly seems like you are it still takes pretty shady logistics to get to Northern Syria i know that from her personal experience its not easy to travel there you have to make quite a few illegal crossings if you ever get there so what what about it how do you actually and theyre starting from what i believe was london right you were in london at that time was in spain and. Yeah it was it was pretty shady trying to Contact People on facebook. Originally i had one trip planned so i could go there for my birthday but then i had to cancel that trip because i was unsure about the people and made arrangements with another group of people. When i got to iraq ago arrested. For they were going to deport me to baghdad so yeah it was it was a very different moment to foreign to go now north of syria now its a bit more structured been the moment is a chaotic situation everybody was basically going to the fronts of. But it was really worthwhile experience it was there in one near i couldnt have seen ten years else worth now ive seen you being described as an idealist and from my personal experience being on the frontline solves that problem i mean do you become released very very quickly from seeing all the violence and all the bloodshed around you and i think one other transformation that if this happened to me it was that you understand its not about the best of options its all often about choosing the lesser evil as much as you despise the state dont you think that the state is the lesser evil compared to lets say a fascist cult like isis people in the west work jobs their entire lives jobs that they know is completely meaningless as no purpose whatsoever some people work ten years on retirement which is to get money which is basically printed by central bank by a small group of financially. The way that we structure our society in the west is in the past the people used to be raised with religion with a belief or with a set of values which gave them a guide in life how they lived their life and that was something that brought the society together as a group of people today the type of western model of civilization is to participate in a civilization or you have to do is follow some russian or functions you dont you dont need to absorb vast reservoirs of spiritual teachings you just need to perform your role function in a society like a robot like a mechanic or project and now were even talking about replacing the human beings with rich robots themselves to putting human beings into Virtual Reality uploading our brains to. Dish to consciousness i mean why are you the issue with this day and even the end of course of one sort of his fellow rather than the state medical structure what the state is exists for is to. Increased the accumulation to develop the material abundance but doesnt necessarily bring people more freedom we have to understand what the middle east is in this era of modernity the the middle east which is a very rich historical culture with his own rightful legacy the same way the same way as russia also has its own civilisation has been completely marginalized pushed to one side seen as something that is not could be redone in the west image i think that ambition has been clearly articulated by mania western leaders but we have to understand is people in the middle east have a deep desire to live meaningful purposeful lives to be close to some sense of the divine. This but unfortunately in western western system that we live in doesnt see the aspect of the reality that aspects of the life that saw the middle and thats why in the middle east so what happened is in the middle east which is at the bottom of all of the global civilizations the kurds at the bottom of all of the nations in the middle east when leader of the p. K. K. Went to prison in turkey. What happened is in the beginning the kurdish struggle in turkey was started as a nationalistic communist struggle and in ninety is what they saw as the open pandoras box that was a huge amount of death on both sides the tens of thousands of people because really bloody vicious war and when a lot of the lot went to prison he said to think so i think why why are there so many problems in the middle east and the conclusion he came to is that this system of nation states doesnt fit the middle east that they were going to be the only respect i had i hate to interject ive been i think there was quite a bit of their destructive input from abroad it probably was definite if it did state in the middle. They were usually authoritarian in nature not very developed sometimes backward looking with the not very efficient economy that large youth populations unemployed youth populations but there was also quite a bit of a negative input from many western countries starting with iraq later in libya also in syria as i put it out since our time is very limited let me ask you a very pointed and specific and contemporary question because im sure you know that russia together turkey together with iran is now trying to push various political actors in syria towards a negotiating table and the main condition for that kind of diplomacy is that the borders will stay intact where does it leave the kurdish cause or at least the cause of for java what is that bath hope at this point of time so you. Aim for itself or isnt to change the borders of the middle east and to. To get their own state what they want is they want to change the actual social reality is situation as way to understand is is more like an Ideological Movement or even a religious movement that they want to change not they dont want to rearrange the structure of the society the way the government is arranged to have to own a new government well those who want to do so want to change the internal wild of peoples thoughts to spread a new body of ideas in the society and not just in their own region of cuts but within the wider context of the middle east because the middle east is a very diverse place its not just about putting more of these people to go for as individuals into multicultural bosket is that we need to as she will look to all of these cultural legacies to try to make a synthesis between i need to stop you right there because we have to take a very short break but well be back in just a few moments stay tuned. Because bristol only forty a day play a short tournament. Im a chasse you all your life by beautiful part of the olympics if you want so make your life whatever somehow six times. Its a list of a story. One day in a car the city. In the mood to call. This a road these are the. People in the mall. With him for a moment up on the yes as a local little kid im the one that was on the view. Of. The so. I thought that they. Are. Welcome back to worlds apart but i mean keep it going developer and anti isis fighter mr taki lets talk about another prominent part. Of your biography which is technology. You have coined quite a name for itself within the current circles you also earlier proposed using bitcoin as a fund raising tool to allow. The Northern Syria to rebuild itself and you suggested that it could be a nice way of circumventing various sanctions imposed by europe or perhaps the United States is that still on the in mind. The proposition of big point is not simply as a tool to allow the free flow of capital. Piece of technology or technique there are ways that we can construct new economic systems new ways to arrange people economically to be able to gain their own freedom if you believe that National Currencies are a means of many people in or suppression why do you think that kind of would be better because. You know there there is very little oversight theres very little if any Consumer Protection when it comes to bitcoin not to mention that most people simply dont have enough Computer Literacy to operate it let alone to know all the risks associated with it. Think of the money that we use in our lives with the money that all of us work. Is printed by small fun surely. The the majority of the worlds currency. Economic transactions is responsible for the governance of the world is. Come from washington from american Central Banks which is a country which is about which the underlying philosophy of that country is the blind accumulation of capital using the tools of military domination so to be able to break free if we need to look for solutions why its going to lucian better than the dollar that you despise the most because again it opens at least to me and i am not an expert but it seems that it offers also plenty of opportunities for many in the exploitation sure but. Because it is not a final solution because it is a step for us to be able to go on that path towards our freedom big is not just a piece of technology is social system there are many different people participating in the ecosystem was so so important is the ideas are on the lying the development of that technology is something that we have to have an awareness of right now the situation we find ourselves in is a situation of crisis and there is no other way out right now but you mentioned that you specifically want to use it to fundraise for the syrian kurds and from what i understand it still requires a lot of infrastructure the use of bitcoin electricity Internet Connection of what have you and from what i understand those issues are major challenges in Northern Syria so when you have to build economy some sort samplers of the economy first before you can freely and widely use it know to use big point is relatively simple you just need even a smart phone that essentially misleads in the electricity. For your smartphone then Telecom Coverage and. All the things like that syria they have internet everywhere. The majority of the population has cell phones. In the twenty First Century like everybody house well i mean in some areas kurdish areas where ive been even electricity was a major challenge with many thinking maybe things have improved since then can i ask you Something Else because you mentioned before that many different people use bitcoin and i just came across the statistics by bloomberg recently suggesting that i mean one thousand people only forty percent of the bitcoin market if its true it gives them i think it would give them a lot of Library Including in potentially coordinated schemes so. Dad could look like yet another power structure under construction is it not totally true we live in. A situation now with financial power elite a lot of wealth has been transferred to. Which is. A change in the structure of power which is something thats healthy is something we need to be able to progress as a humanity to advance forward what youre saying is that first the Capital Needs to shift from you know one area to another and then you can count on peoples you know better qualities to you and i dont i dont believe theres a fundamental human nature the flow of capital to a new group of people is going to give us a trajectory in which money is going to reach a new utopia im saying is the break this can be imposed on us now by the structure of paul which is solidify itself in the some of the financial capitals new york and london but many of the people who trade in bitcoins they actually concentrated in those Financial Centers and i know that you previously. Described cohen as nothing less than a means of liberating humanity and interestingly as i was sort of thinking about the development of other industries or other human endeavor its usually they start with Something Like that you know a person looking for an important drug and only then you know when the truck is developed it gets capitalized in the profit making imperative to take on dont you think that it can really be just yet another full of Something Like that because. Technology the original proposition of big coin is here is a new piece of technology the people to send capital any of a person on the planet outside of the control of Central Banks and governments is incredibly powerful Value Proposition for the first time now we have we regain our ability to be able to economically organize throughout the entire planet to achieve a global consensus with the domination of western states who are building this a process of tyranny even big point early history was driven by idealists who really hot value is the challenge now of big coin developers of big coin uses the people inside big ecosystem is to have a vision of the future they want to move towards and work towards making that happen if they dont there is the danger the big coin would just remain suspended and disappear as a project the reason why we have mobile phones and laptops and. Personal computers is because there were a community of us in the fiftys in the sixtys who got jobs Near Computers trying to understand how this Technology Works to try and gain access to these tools of power to be able to create to be able to give this. Technology of computers to the Common People news it to advance humanity for the what happened in the community is in the seventys a lot of capital from very Big Companies started to flow into this. Previously marginalize community and big news the first time in their life the money they sent to for themselves these companies and they came along one guy Richard Stallman and he said he said this is wrong. In the process of of all of this cup its all i say shouldnt something important is being lost from the community and hes his proposal was the guys lets build our own free or praying system and that was the birth of linux as a really Important Development in the history of computing thats now where big point find itself the why defeat Technology Movement we have to formulate a vision and as a community we have to understand the were not just building these technologies as objects but were trying to create a world were trying to create a world and how we apply these towards the vision you mentioned activist and hacktivists and i know that youve spoken in favor of anonymous and there has been a very interesting case involving them recently because it was first reported that they declared war on donald trump and then it was reported that they decried dot very operation as a form of censorship i wonder where do you stand on what is censorship in this day and age and. Should you allow the ideas that used most strongly did tast to be spread. So about anonymous that was movement attracted a lot of young people like occupy a lot of movements of the post two thousand era. For instance this last this last year there was anonymous march in london so i went to go and have a look what is it and this is one day in the year when fountains of people from all around england come to london to do a march from. The parliament to Trafalgar Square and i saw so many different people there with two different kind of flags. Doing Different Things we did it is a long march and then we come to Trafalgar Square and as everybody goes home as basically what anonymous has become is become a commodity but what about spend censorship how do you how would you define it considering that of course censorship also has a good aim of protecting the feeble minds of people who do not know better so for instance now in the u. K. Elections in the u. K. Television now do the Major Political parties soaking about the two most important issues facing the u. K. Right now which is terrorism and immigration they were the pirate party on there and did two things that the pirate party talks about was internet surveillance and governments and copyright reform is not the most important things facing humanity right now this is really big issues the the censorship is an important is an important topic it lies in the context of a more bigger global struggle the now that we are entering a new phase of humanity. Our way of seeing the world of reducing the world down to really mechanistic. Simplified view of reality that all of the complexities on the line all the things that we discarded from our reality. Now multiplying. And now coming back to penetrate this that will loosen a bubble but which weve withdrawn into the so that moment we find ourselves in the movements like isis. Just. A mirror or affliction of something deeper hopping within the society that when this come to impact people in the future the people in their understand where these things coming from the most people going to say oh its just a normal person i was just living my life why is this affecting me this is something is a serious really serious moment they were in as a human as a global humanity is like the exactly like the fun with days of running well its a very interesting conversation but unfortunately we have to leave it there our time is up and i strongly encourage our viewers to leave their comments in our social media pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on all the part. Like when you on the scum of thrones book. If somebody would have been told me to spend my life to punk and it was a little disco course it would have sold it was clear. Every night we were attacked by the arabs we will attack them and we will extremely short. 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