War crimes, their entire existence is based on protecting an ocupay a military occupation, a siness occupation, that its principles is bloodshed, its principles is genocide and ethnic cleansing, so to capture them and to make them to show the world how weak and illegitimate they are, is a spiritual and political win for the resistance, it just shows that that no one is inf, no one is defeated, no one, sorry, it just shows that absolutely no one has complete immunity, that resistance that that fighting back works and that standing up for yourself, standing up for your sovereignty and for your people actually is a divine and very, very liberating action to take. Yes, id like to so cross back over, cross over to belfast, journalist, author and activist, good to uh have you with me, lets talk about what this as from the palestinian side, basically instead of just witnessing uh continual violence against the fellow palestinians, this time seeing very effective and fastmoving operation by the palestinian against the Israeli Regime and even uh not only killing lot of the occupied forces, but also taking some of them um uh, taking some of them into gaza, your thoughts. Fra, do i have you . Frances, hi, hello, can you hear me . Okay, i can hear you now, i can hear you now, thank you. Yes, i heard the question from purely Military Point of view, its an exceptional operation, using both uh, you know, the efforts of surprise and also using the unity of the uh separate resistance factions. I think it does highlight what other people have already said, which is the inherent weakness of the israeli stit, the more it tries to prove its strength by murdering onarmed civilians in the occupied territories, and the more the world is beginning to see the apart take, xenophobic, racist, almost fascist aspects of the uh rightwing regime thats not part, but the Israeli Government uh, i think will be in total panic, i think that they obviously were not expect. This, the fact that israeli troops have been captured, this will have huge political impact upon the Israeli Government, theres nothing worse for incumbent government than to have it soldiers captured and uh and and held captive by hamas and the other factions and spread out throughout gaza, we witnessed in the past how hard the Israeli Government will negotiate in order to try and have them released, but when we witness every day this slow genocidal ethnic cleansing the west bank, and there is absolutely no condemnation, there is absolutely no intervention from the west, no sanctions, no calls to uh have israel, israeli assets saged, and no calls to end, all right, youre looking at some break news there at the bottom of your screen, dozens of israelis have been killed during the palestinian surprise attack. Um uh habeba, going back to you, i want to talk about that image, because uh pr is very big for the Israeli Regime, they always like to try to show themselves as this uh democracy in the of socalled middle east as they say, uh, that is the only democracy in the region, and also that the the um their forces are fair, i just want to look at this in general because and also they always talk about their strength that theyre the strongest in the region, that no one can basically uh penetrate them and and be victorious over them, i want to look at that aspect, and the import of what were seeing take place today, oh pr is one the main things israel relies on for its international support, pr and the support of the western media Industrial Complex that show israel as this haven for the Lgbtq Community that show israel as its democracy and progressive place in the middle east whereas its neighbors are backwards. I think the fact that what were witnissing today, the success of the resistance, the advancements of the resistance just shows how im very sorry, pathetic and weak their intelligence really is, how cowardly their entire basis, operation basis has been so far from exactly 1948 till right now, the fact that westted media is not showing the success and the advancements of the Palestinian Resistance, but its rather showing israel as victim with the same narrative that israel has a right to defend itself, is sad and i think no people are no longer falling for it, the way that you see the discourse happening on social media, you can understand stand, you can see how people have been awakened that actually palestine has a right to defend itself, that these israeli sedf for all combattant are all part of huge terrorist movement that have been suppressing and oppressing palestinians for decades and right now, their uprising the the resistance actions that are happening right now is actually very justified, in fact it is something that is to be celebrated and supported, it is something that deserves international solidarity. I think that israels biggest enemy can be social media as well because of how much is being shared around from independent journalists and news organizations like press tv, so pr doesnt mean much at the moment because the world is witnessing it through independent sources. Yes, indeed, and and as you talked about the uh Mainstream Media and of course theyre continue uh basically not paying attention. To palestinian and casualties, and of course, even today uh painting a picture as if the palestinian are the aggressor, its its quite amazing, giving the history, but i want to look at that from the social media aspect of it, because as our guest habibba just said, more and more now with independent entities, even though, for example, ourselves here at press tv, that we have been sanctioned time and time again, and so many uh um attacks basically trying to stop the voice of the voicess and getting out, but what were seeing is a spreading of this, and i want to talk about today, because as im speaking, im also monitoring social media and seeing individuals that are showing the actual uh, videos and getting it out, how important is that in general to breaking this mainstream narrative uh that that they have continued with, and and how can it affect, do you think that it can affect individuals in, for example, these western countries that can perhaps put pressure on their governments . Well, the sad reality is that no matter what pressure individuals or groups or lobbyits put on uh governments, it doesnt ever really change government policies, so you know i would almost step that that to say, but habib was 100 correct on the social media because it was in 2 2009 during operation castled that i first started to follow closely on social media through facebook uh what was happening in palestine it always had an interest back to 1982 to the murders in shabra and sitia and forcing the plo from beiroot so social media has has huge part to play and awakening people to the truth and the reality of what is happening on the ground as a counter narrative to the men stream media, people are still fair this doubt that uh israel is protecting itself from these foreign uh almost um almost like holds of uncivilized people that want to force them into the sea. Now we all know thats not true, we all know the people in the in the region want to live in peace and they want to live in security even with some form of a and is really state. Actually if its not uh 100 uh you know brought back into palestine, but social media does have huge opportunity and more and more people are switching off from Mainstream Media because the lies and because of the corruption and government, thats thats a huge switch off now in the west, the ongoing war in ukraine is showing people how the power of propaganda from the media and the government to make a consensus. Within society to agree to governmental policy is now fracturing and what is happening with the uh resistance move today, i think itll have huge effect on Israeli Society. On all those people who have come over to get free houses, free, yeah, thats an interesting point, having a huge effect on that society uh, basically because of fear, i mean, ive been looking at uh different footage and showing the hamas air force actually when it infiltrated uh the uh israeli kuboots and its quite amazing to see habiba a i want to talk about staying with the media and you are a journalist also, i want to look at the media in this part of the world, these arab regimes that have decided um to normalize relations with that regime, and of course their media that follows suit, but but when the individual citizens in these countries who very much support palestinians and they see on social media today, what is taking place, tell me what that can do for them and the kind of pressure that the. Can put on those regimes . You know, i remember few years back when bahraini government normalized israel and the Israeli Regime, and i remember seeing on social media that bahranies came out to protest the governments choice. No news agency in the west reported on it, no news agency from these western regimes that have normalized ties with israel has reported on it that their citizens are extremely dissatisfied and against their choices to do that. So really social media can be used as a weapon these days. I think that these arab countries who have normalized ties with israel that have taken the route of the west when it comes to selective news reporting when it comes to extremely fabricated stories narratives to pin out about palestine and about the resistance. I think that no longer its gonna be source a reliable main and a reliable way to move forward because more and more. People have decided not to have more and more people have are not trusting Mainstream Media, more and more people realize that they have put profit before actual real, honest stories, before journalistic integrity, before these principles, so much of these lies that they spread and so much of the propaganda that they do put out can be disputed easily by social media, by independent journalists, i think it should be a duty and everybody should take it upon themselves to fight back against the narrative, to push back against their. And to show the world the reality, and this can be done through social media, this can be done through discussions with your peers and colleagues, this can be done by advancing and prompting up News Agencies such as press tv that do speak for the truth and is the voice for the voiceless. I think the enemy, the zionist enemy is very afraid to be exposed, they are all they are all cowards, they are very afraid for the world to see their crimes, that is why they are a defensive front acting as victims, but really they did not even admit their own mistakes, it took them so long to admit them the murder of shirin abula, and that is because shirin abu also held the status of an american palestinian, otherwise they get away with war crimes every single day. This is all, this is all changed, they need to be held accountable and more and more people are holding them accountable, which is why here zionists in australia are pushing very hard for the ira definition of antisemitism, which ira stands for international holocost remember. Alliance which means that any and all criticism of israel is antisemitic. Thankfully some universities have pushed back against this and im glad that i was one of the people in my university to push back and protest against this. If they are, if a regime, if people of an organization are so afraid of the truth, then that means that their reality is ugly, that their reality will not be accepted by humanity. That is why they are a prear propaganda stunt at the moment. Yes, you mentioned. And as you said because shes was american, it was mentioned, but the reality habiba is that uh, even though she was american, american palestinian, no one was held responsible, no israeli uh has ever been charged with her murder or the murder of of any of the other palestinians, lets talk about that aspect and how the media is so controlled, that as matter of fact even the people themselves, you dont hear any outrage like from the americans or from others, or at least if theres some, they definitely dont show that theres any reaction towards their perspective, basically just totally controlling the narrative and trying to shut down, any type of alternative voice, this all is just evidence that you cannot rely on Mainstream Media, you cannot rely on corporations on governments to be the voice, to be the change, you it all comes from people power, and that is what the resistance is doing today, these are ordinary people that have trained and armed themselves, these are people that have been helped. By their International Resistance neighbors and people power is where it will change, it will come from solidarity by us on the ground, grassroots activism, it will come by revolutionaries who will sacrifice their their land, their resources, they will participate intellectually to talk about palestine, to hold accountable the Israeli Terrorist regime, media is a weapon to use, social media is a weapon to use, at the end the day it will all come down to International Unity into for solidarity, it is in the interest of Mainstream Media, it is in the interest of corporations, it is in the interest of government bodies to suppress the truth about palestine and to save the dignity, and i use the word dignity very generalistly of israel, but what we are witnessing from the resistance right now and all their achievements in the past few hours shows that people and their spirit and their unity with each other, their motivation, it will be the key to our success. Yes, it has been quite a day already again, viewers, if youre just joining us, youre looking at images coming out of uh gaza city, and of course operation that started by the palestinians earlier uh this morning uh has been quite amazing, and so many areas, we have reports out of the Israeli Regime that its in a state of shock, because this multipron attack where there have been dozens of uh israelis that have been taken and taken back into gaza, uh, we have several that have been killed, um, here, youre looking at the bottom of your screen, its saying that more than 500 have been hospitalized, this is a large scale attack. Still ongoing and fra i found something really interesting actually today october whats october the 7th, but october the 6th was the start of the young kipper war uh 1973. I want to talk about in general fra uh this coordination with the between the Palestinian Resistance and and this will that we have been seeing throughout this time, but it seems like its been unprecent. In this year and the type of coordination and definitely wanting to defeat the Israeli Regime no matter what it takes, mean your overall assessment of the Palestinian Resistance and what has been taking place . Well, i think unity is vital going forward, there is nothing worse than a divided group where some stand aside while others fight and die, i think uh, when when you started your questioner general. Sol money come uh straight into my mind, i mean this could almost be done in his memory, this is a man who brought the various groups across the region, not to the negotiating table, but to a command center where people would work together, where people would work in unity and people would work through their divisions and whatever divides them in order to have a strong front, the very fact that all these factions are united shows to the world and the region and general that palestinians all stand side by side and i include christian palestinians in this. I recently saw uh a Palestinian Christian priest throwing stones at the Israeli Soldiers, so it just proves that its not just muslims, its every single palestinian who supports the resistance and all the people who have come together in unity to defy this uh illegal occupation, but i think going forward, i mean this who would have really thought. Lets be honest that the uh combined strength and military mate of the resistance could fire so many rockets, could actually cross the border, how did they manage to cross through all the electronic defenses, all the uh echo chambers and sounding equipment that listens out for tunnels that actually capture so many idf soldiers and bring them back into gaza as as a military operation, this this is just so successful on so many. Levels and its the Israeli Government must be in shock and must be panicking, they must be looking at lebanon, they must be looking at the golden heights, they must be looking over their shoulders at iran wondering what is coming next, is this the start of a wider regional offensive, so the resistance has my unqualified support, and habiba is right again when she says, the only people at this moment in time holding the Israeli Government and the israeli army and really Israeli Society to account for its murderous uh acts in the west bank is the resistance and so long as the Resistance Continues to fight and continues to be strong, i think we might see israel rethink its policies, i know it has the arms and the air force and the tanks on the navy, the devastated gaza, as it has done before, it has armed settlers who are willing to kill Palestinian Civilians on sight, but if theres no resistance, there is no palestine, there is nothing left, there is only the resistance. Yes, indeed, and i mean, habib, lets talk about that, fra is talking about, i mean, basically, i think that we have all been surprised at what we have been seeing, and isnt that part of it . I mean, because when i had talked earlier about the israeli and the pr and how important it is, image making, its quite a fasad on the one hand, because we know what it tries to portray itself, uh in the media, but the reality on the ground, and on the other hand the way that palestinians are portrayed, and and always showing unfortunate like that theyre victims and that israel can basically do whatever they want to them when ever they want, but but what were seeing today is a persistence, a consistents and a coordination um tha