That recently a figure was announced that here it is. The joint projects under consideration are worth 120 billion dollars. Would have looked more respectable, probably, but firstly, in yuan its almost trillion, so certainly a trillion yuan, and even more in rubles, and by the way, trillion is such a beautiful figure, because, among other things, we, together with our chinese partners, head the investment wing of the interrights commission between russia and china, this year there we also have projects that the commission is discussing. This is 50 more than last year, so of course, we must think more in national currencies, in rubles, in yuan, and we see that various instruments will be created in national currencies, we also plan next week to announce the creation of a joint fund with china in the aviation industry, which will be calculated in yuan, and we believe it will also become a very important joint fund between russia and china, where rfpi will play. A key role . Brix is now rumored, especially considering that it is possible that this organization will expand. By the way, we see new Investment Opportunities in this, and does china agree with us in this regard . Yes, but we believe that brix is certainly a very important association, and it is no coincidence that the most powerful interest of the global south, in general the idea of brix was proposed by russia, very important by president putin, and this is a project that turned out to be in great demand. Both historically and now, and the fact that saudi arabia, the emirates, and other countries are joining brix, this also shows the importance of this association. A few years ago we offered the brix countries a joint payment system, a joint Arbitration Court, and a digital currency, and digital currency, and we believe that both the Arbitration Court and the Settlement System are certainly is extremely in demand, and we believe that next year, when russia will be. President of brix, these and other projects can be implemented, because russia, many people forget about this, really are the lungs of the planet, we have so many trees and so many opportunities absorb carbon dioxide, that we can initiate a lot of climate projects that are important for the world, and of course, next year our brix presidency is a unique opportunity, including moving forward on the climate agenda for the whole world, how do you assess our cooperation with the middle east . Countries, i wanted to say, neighbors, not exactly neighbors, and not all of them, but nevertheless, why would i like to say neighbors, because we have Mutual Understanding within the framework of opec plus, a very good setup, well, of course, this is also the most important interaction, it is based respecting the fact that within the framework of opec plus we are stabilizing the markets, there are a lot of attacks on this interaction, but of course, the fact that the price of oil remains stable and predictable is extremely important, including for. In the sector, for example , with the emirates we have already more than 60 joint investments, saudi arabia more than 40 joint investments, in various sectors, and we believe that interaction with middle eastern partners is very important, because it is all based on respect, mutual interest, not an attempt by someone to someone else dictating something, this is such an example of positive, very creative communication, interaction, diversification here is not only wide, because, well, lets say, the average person has one view on this situation, here s oil, well, what else is there, we see, for example, that saudi arabia is going through a fundamental transformation, is actively investing in various technologies , by the way, there are a lot of Russian Technology companies in demand there, and we interact with a number of them that supply very important products, including in the field of artificial intelligence, there will be a lot of interaction even in the space sphere, because now. They are actively establishing their Space Program in the sphere of the peaceful atom, so there are a lot of areas for interaction and indeed we are increasingly opening up such joint opportunities, as we said, very diversified with the countries of the middle east and the global south. Recently, rdif has been able to invest in joint projects not only with foreign partners, but with our russian ones. Do you see any fundamental differences in this cooperation or not, i dont know, maybe the financial mechanisms are different, the amount of investment may not be so impressive, or maybe , as the level of return says, its higher. All investors, they want to see good. Russian investors, what is their advantage, sometimes they themselves bring deals that are interesting, they accordingly understand very well how to Grow Companies in russia, so they have additional competencies for growth in russia, Foreign Investors certainly have powerful competencies on scaling our companies abroad, and how to ensure that Russian Companies develop there, so these are very complementary. Very often in one and the same project also includes russian coinvestors, our international partners, so this is all aimed at obtaining a good return for the investor, but of course the creation of a company and the growth of companies that are extremely promising and important for people, at the Eastern Economic forum this year he said that then everything with geological exploration is not completely working out, here too there is something to work on, stupidly we see that in the far east only 35 of the subsoil has been explored, that is, there is also 65 of the unexplored subsoil, this is the wealth of every russian, the wealth russia, thats why we have teamed up here with rosnedra, we plan to attract private funds for geological exploration, so these will be our investors, these will be our investors, yes, who will invest in ours, we just usually do Something Like this when it comes to the subsoil , which belongs to the people, but we are still trying. Carefully, so that these are our investors , these are mainly russian coinvestors, ours and ourselves, and accordingly, this will simply allow us to develop a much larger number subsoil in the shortest possible time and attract extrabudgetary sources, attracting extrabudgetary sources is very important , it allows you to implement a much larger number of projects, and this is much more difficult, because you have to convince people to invest in the project, but this is much more promising, because more projects can be implemented as quickly as possible. Well, from the point of view of persuasion, you probably have to show some effort, the new economic reality and people are not so willing to part with their funds or is the whole situation changing gradually . Well, firstly, the russian economy shows very good stability, gdp growth is expected to be more than 2. 5 this year, and of course all industries are working very rhythmically, and it is also very important that our 100 projects have already been invested in. They show high, good profitability, so we have the trust of a large number of investors , i have already mentioned that some countries have invested in more than 60 projects with us, imagine, this is even more than creating a family with them, its like having 60 children, for example, who are successful, thats why this successful experience of working together, it allows us to implement further projects, because we all understand that rfpi is very careful, careful in analyzing projects, in choosing projects, in ensuring that profitability was there, and accordingly the money was multiplied and not lost. Kiril, thank you very much for the conversation. Thank you, kiril. Hello, its a decade of science and technology in russia. The ntv Television Company and the state Corporation Rosatom present the program we and science. Science and us, a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years. I, vladimir antokhin. I am vladimir antokhin, and yakaterina shugaeva, in 10 years russia will have its own lunar base. You just cant wait, right . Who believe that in 10 years russia will really have its own lunar base, this is alexander lazutkin, cosmonaut pilot, hero of russia, good evening, vladislav leonov, astrophysicist, hello, good afternoon, as per tradition, my guests are skeptics, well, maybe we, well no, i hope they do too anyway for us to have our own base on the moon, and alexander shirov, economist, good evening, and ilya polosin, design engineer, good evening, at the end of the program our guests are optimists, they will make a forecast with what probability in 10 years russia will have there will be your own base on the moon, but i have a personal question for you, as a child you dreamed of becoming an astronomer. And i look like a person who didnt dream of being an astronaut, it seems to me that in general any child always dreams of being an astronaut, and i hope it was nt like that for a while, honestly, just the last about 20 years, but i hope, now again every child, just every selfrespecting child should dream of becoming an astronaut, and you, oh, listen, i also dreamed of becoming an astronaut, but then i learned a very beautiful word generalissimo, then i dreamed of becoming a generalissimo, when did people even think about flying into space . Yes, i think they probably a long, long time ago, when they learned to raise their heads, how they learned to raise their heads to look at what was up there, they saw that birds were flying there, they wanted to fly, just like the birds, they saw something up there is happening in the sky, well, the moon appears there, they wanted to go to the moon, no matter how science says , from such and such a date, from such and such a year, we started thinking about. Into space, so, in principle, if there is literature lets see what it is there, juulvern, well, moonshots, when it was, it was the 19th century, in my opinion , yes, the 19th century, well, i think, a little earlier, when they realized that the earth is a planet, that there is space, there is a universe, that s how people got such a worldview, they then thought, it would be nice to fly, okay, vladislav aleksandrovich, well lets not talk about the whole braid. Now specifically about the moon, but how did the Lunar Program of the soviet union and the usa develop . The program developed quite difficultly, but overall very rapidly, because we all know that between the soviet union and the United States there was a powerful technological confrontation, which was also projected onto cosmonautics, as the most technologically advanced area, within the framework of this race in the field cosmonautics, naturally there was a race for the moon, so everyone, both sides tried to be the first to get to the moon directly from using automatic stations, photograph the opposite side, which we do not see, and, of course, launch cosmonauts or astronauts there, of course, this generally happened at great financial cost, but on the other hand, it was the race, not only the lunar one, but also which belonged to the field of astronautics, it gave a big leap, a very strong potential for the development of technology throughout the world, the echoes of which, in general, we are seeing now, the americans had a program for manned flights called apalon, yes, in total they had 17 projects, and launches, yes, some of them were successful, some not so much, nevertheless, the americans completed their task, as did we, well, we did not set ourselves a task in the first stages namely to deliver our astronauts there, but nevertheless, it was our automatic interplanetary station that was the first to land on the moon, we were the first to photograph the reverse side, and i would not argue that any one of the parties, the union and the United States, this lunar race was won because everyone had their own achieving success and, in general, on the scale of all humanity, of course, this was a huge leap forward , it is precisely this competition that contributes to it, and it is still unknown, yes, when we, not us, all of humanity would have reached the moon, therefore despite all the difficulties. Which were associated with these flights, these launches, i believe it was for the benefit of all humanity , in general, the usa, the ussr are a draw, and humanity won, advertising on ntv, dont look for him, its not worth it, a crime has been committed, the case must be solved , what are you, operational . Work got busy, its your job to file papers, well, if the fun doesnt increase , you have to do it yourself, now it was very offensive, get out, i said, get out of here, i wont leave without you, ah, its stupid, how to get married is the same i didnt have time, first department, new season, tomorrow at 20 00 on ntv. The program is on air, science and we are a program about how science will change our lives in the next 10 years, in 10 years russia will have its own base on the moon, and our expert, professor kapustin, believes in this. Creating a habitable base on the surface of the moon is the main thing today direction in space exploration. Russia and china, the usa, japan, the european union, india, and israel are trying to build such bases. By the way, one of our bases will be at the south pole, where there are water reserves. The proportion of ice in the soil reaches 10 . One of the goals of creating a lunar base is a jumping cosmodrome for flights to other planets. But most importantly, lunar bases, lunar cities are the salvation of humanity, because about the inhabitants of the earth, we can say that we live on a volcano, every year an eruption occurs on our planet approximately 60 volcanoes. We dont know when the supervolcano will explode, but we must be prepared to immediately evacuate to the moon. Alexander alexandrovich, why do we need everything as kapustin says . The moon to jump to other planets, or really to evacuate . Well, in fact, we need both space and the moon, first of all, in order to develop as a civilization, because many probably do not realize that the atomic, space project that was implemented in the ussr in the 50s and sixties years, it just happened a radical change in our country, our economy, because even. From the great patriotic war, where it would seem , in general, there was a lot of technology, in general it was a war of engines, we emerged with a rather primitive economy, it was precisely nuclear and space projects that allowed us to make a significant step forward in technology, in general, this was what the power of the soviet economy was based on in the 6070s, when it flies into space, is it like a locomotive for the entire country, for the entire economy . Well, yes, because in order to get there, just hit the moon, huge mathematical calculations, all this has actually moved forward and calculations, including machine calculations in our country, materials science, radio, radar, so to speak, and a lot of other technologies, of course, of course, and new materials, in general, in fact, this is development and the Chemical Industry and mechanical engineering, all related sectors of the economy, we just got a different economy as a result of taking several major technological steps forward. How did we close the Lunar Program then . But on the other hand, it is clear that this is very expensive, all the goals that humanity set for itself, not only the soviet union, but the american , so to speak, Space Program, and other countries, european ones in general, all these goals at that moment, in the late seventies, were achieved, not it was clear where to move next, how we achieved the goal that, so to speak, stood, man landed on the moon, automatic machines worked there. Many kilograms of lunar soil for research were delivered to earth, what to do next . Right now new tasks appear, for these new tasks, but this is primarily an economic component, so to speak, no, well, it is clear that a new step is required in the level of technologies used, and it is certainly required that now the Space Program does not just give us this technological a breakthrough, but also brought some. Quite tangible benefits, well, in the limit this is what professor kapustin was talking about, that is, in fact, such a innovation for, so to speak, humanity in the future, but in fact there are a lot of others more applied things, in principle, i could diagram it at the blackboard, a set of these, and at the blackboard i will show everyone what a beautiful suit i have, otherwise im sitting, no one sees, but here you can immediately see, well, real, just real in roscosmo. Its not really given to me, because its a little big, the main thing for which we need the moon is, first of all , to make life better on earth, so one of the key elements of this whole story is the observation of the earth itself, and climate processes, meteorology , but also a lot of other things that we need, and this skillful satellite of the earth is much better than any satellite constellation, it is stationary , we set up a base there, with telescopes, well, not necessarily telescopes, there are a lot of other, so to speak, devices that can do this, then we look at what is happening on the ground, and the military they may have a purpose, here we move into the field of law, in fact, in the seventyninth year an agreement was concluded, according to which the moon has approximately the same status as antarctica, antaktira is not the territory of any country, it is prohibited there military is active. All Economic Activities are carried out jointly by all world communities and this is important, but if we start to develop some minerals there, and this is the next story, that is, the extraction of minerals. There will be some deposits, yes, then we must agree on how we use them, in fact, what kind of minerals there are, but these are metals, first of all, yes, that is, metals that we can in principle, and there are some metals that do not exist on earth, rare earth metals, which are not very good, if the theory is that its just a piece that fell off the ground, it would seem that everything should be the same there, theres definitely no oil there, theres definitely no gas there, because its all the americans who are upset, yes, because these useful fossil these minerals, unfortunately, they are connected with the development of the earth, like yes, life activity, and in fact this is definitely not there , there are metals, there are gels3 these are the most important elements of new, modern fuel, yes, w