The Investigation Continues on the victims and on the dead at the moment, the figures are such 35 people died as a result of this explosion at a gas station, about 80 were injured, about 50 people out of these eighty are now in various hospitals at night today the plane of the ministry of emergency situations ah. Dagestan delivered special equipment for extraction. Doctors and psychologists flew under the rubble of the bodies of the dead, as well as excuse me, on the same plane, and the most seriously wounded were delivered to moscow in a special sport. Its only 16 people. All of them are now in moscow hospitals, and six of them were injured on an artificial lung machine. Uh, the flight went to a normal state to satisfy, not without deterioration, the case of a fire and explosion in makhachkala will be investigated in the Central Office of the investigative committee. At the same time , crime specialists will take care of them. Against state power. About this writes the edition of commerce, citing its sources explosions. Called a violation of the storage of agrochemicals in a car service, investigators believe that a fire at a service station near a gas station at the entrance to makhachkala began during a car repair, the flame quickly spread to neighboring buildings, and it was there that they were easily stored, flammable fertilizers at the site of the tragedy later found the remains of bags. From under the highest grade ammonium nitrate, this version is confirmed by the power of the explosion, which was heard even in the city of kaspiysk and this is 30 km from makhachkala investigators are now finding out. Why tons of explosive saltpeter were stored in a warehouse near a car service and gas station, according to the same merchant, the tenant of these service stations after the explosion is in the hospital to ask him now there is no way, the owner of the deposit of saltpeter was also injured in the explosion and is in critical condition. He was sent to moscow tonight the day before. Vsk was delivered to the intended owner. These same bags from the illfated thirtyfouryearold ildar nasrulaev during interrogation. He could not explain why he was hiding from the authorities after the tragedy. These are shock resources. The head of dagestan , sergei melikov, said today that more than 400 buildings were damaged as a result of a fire and an explosion in makhachkala. Mostly. All. These are living houses the day before melikov talked with putin and the president suggested that the authorities of the republic take advantage of federal support measures in connection with the emergency, how did they react to all these events in makhachkala in kiev in kiev . Well i would call it the head of the National Security and Defense Council of ukraine, mr. Danilov, says with branded bestiality that what happened in dagestan is the way the authorities, the russian authorities , deliberately arrange an explosion in order to intimidate people more, well, ukrainian creatives also do not lag behind this bad logic. Posted on his page in social networks the announcement of the party. In honor of the tragedy in makhachkala, it was called fiery makhachkala, it was assumed that the highlight of the program would be one of the first fire shows in the photo, the posters drew attention, ukrainian telegram channel, radical after which it quickly scattered and a wave of angry comments hit the club in ukrainian and then in russian publics. After that, access to the publication was closed there. Well, later the owners of the club. They were tired of the accusations and called this poster a fake. I have Andrey Vladimirovich comments on the last similarity, but one of them will not work. Uh, roskomnadzorovsky such comments. I also have, but in general, there is probably no point in them. Lets e. Hmm lets leave indeed this club without comment. Lets go with our plan. So, i said that today we will consider aspects, military and political svo. Lets start with the political lets start, but there was quite a noisy news. Well, somehow everyone rushed to discuss it actively, but regarding the prospects for ukraines entry into nato, it means, in short, the authors of this idea, at least the person who voiced it, and he is in the leadership. Well, the North Atlantic Alliance, that is, one of the main military leaders there. And then i i dont really know yet, was it his personal conclusion or was it the result of some brainstorming. Well, in general, he said, the following hmm ukraine, in short, can be accepted into nato if it agrees to territorial concessions to russia now lets get into the details. On tuesday , nato chief of staff sten suggested that ukraine could get longawaited nato membership in exchange for territorial concessions to russia. Well, could this option be part of a deal to end the war . The solution could be that ukraine renounced the territory and received nato membership in return, there is already a discussion of the possible status of ukraine after the war and the issue of ceding the territory to russia is being raised , such a decision is quite possible, perhaps in kiev at first they didnt even believe that jenson could say this, the head of the nbotanilov called the news stuffing, and the adviser the head of the office of the president of the terrorist zelensky, podolak said that the idea of giving up territories in exchange for nato membership is a quote. Just funny. In this scenario, democracy will fail, and putin will triumph in the same spirit. More a month ago, terrorist president zelensky himself spoke out. We will Never Exchange any status for any of our territories , even if it is one village in which one lives, grandfather, we will not give up our territory and will Never Exchange it for a frozen conflict , this will never happen to me our partners clearly know the position, despite their obstinacy. In kiev, the west seems to be actively preparing ukrainians for a compromise. Ill have to give in territories, the garden newspaper also believes that in case of failures at the front. Ukrainians will be forced to give up their lands to russia, but american experts are already openly saying to kiev and crimea that we should definitely forget that ukraines infrastructure is being destroyed daily. And this is a very good reason why ukraine needs to end the war, in order to end the war they need to forget about crimea more countries are calling for negotiations. With russia, it was necessary to say that there will be a very difficult political season for everyone, i warn all these voices that are beginning to be heard in Different Countries of the world that there are problems, that negotiations are needed, we will do everything within the framework of International Law and criminal law so that these voices fade away. Well, quite a few years ago there was such a wellknown formula. We vanya with vanya just remembered oil in exchange for nato food in exchange for territories viktor zhozevich. As far as in your opinion, this is a real scenario, but the fact is that there are too many who are interested in preventing this from happening, and this question or this statement of the nato representative was made precisely with the expectation of the reaction of kiev that we heard. They understood very well there what they would answer in kiev. And why should it be shown that nato, in general, and the west well, it is ready for compromises, it, and not he, but it is pushing ukraine to these actions. Well, the ukrainians intend to fight, and for their freedom and territory. And the west, of course, just as the ukrainians intend to continue to fight, its not the west that is forcing them, then the west will be further, or they really wanted us to. Show that they are at this price. To consider such a global south to the countries of the socalled what used to be called the countries of the world Ivan Sergeevich in parallel with these statements that another 24 billion dollars are being allocated from the United States from your interview before the program. I understand that you think that nato is dropping everything for a reason, but there is some kind of plan to explain. A plan what the secretary of the secretary of nato said about this e territory in exchange for membership of this is one of the most realistic scenarios for the end of the conflict, about which serious people categorically disagree, it turns out with e. Victor jozech. No, nato is also considering it. That is. You see, if you understood correctly, you see, he said that this is one of the options for one scenario , the only question is how much territory and what territories. Now this is the only thing now just fucking or late. We will definitely come if we are not going to reach. We are not going to lvov. Apparently, we dont need it, then the option in which a piece of ukraine enters nato is optimal for us, because i will explain. We can contradict what he says, including Vladimir Putin and nato and ukraine things are not acceptable for us in the current ukraine in the current borders are unacceptable. I didnt knock them, they explain the lump, this is purely pragmatics, pure pragmatics, if after the end of the war we demand that this one will knock them out ukraine there western ukraine because that it will not remain, nato will not enter this demand, they can accept it. Some documents must be signed anyway, they will throw it with this demand. Five years later, 10 years later, here in the studio he said that if this one, as georgievich puts it, will join nato, it will not be bad, because nato will still control him, and you said. Yes, i just forgot that well, as an option, that is, in principle. Once again i say, we leave them without revision, we hand over, then it requires a request for the requirements of the socalled, which ship it will not be executed in return, we get some kind of pragmatics. This is a package deal. We already just see, yes, lets, we can now, firstly, discuss any plan , uh, the section that we are talking about is possible from the other side only in one case, if they see that you are cooperating, that it is not able to task. As a matter of fact, it will be a game in minsk on a large scale, that is , ok, nothing happened. We are ready to meet halfway, but lets remember one thing, when we say it will cover ukraine, so too what size will this one be, how much will it have military potential. If we say that lets say, uh, the territory of the back industry will be part of nato, it will be replenished, it will be armed, and you will still get a second conflict. Next conflict. For the simple reason that nato is today the United States they express no desire to speak. A big deal, and only a big deal can be a real end to the conflict deal is what . Well, that is, this is the establishment of some new the rules of the coexistence of the west and russia are some definite boundaries and rules of conduct, in which each takes into account the interest of the other to a certain degree and does not unconditionally provoke the other into the military personnel of the new division. Russia even reminded the rest of what we are talking about. Ill just remind you that this is a special military operation. It was arranged not to annex certain territories to russia, but to ensure its security and the denotification of ukraine. And if nazi ukraine remains a back industry, you still get a range of these sizes. If you understand how good it is for us to know about the size of this piece. Im trying to formulate here, if nazi ukraine remains there, if it doesnt remain , if its all although this is also, to be honest, i dont understand why we are there, the lviv region is there, ternopil is some kind or like yusin, the kolomye say to us fuck oh sorry, this is what you need. We are like with them there, then we will, why then let them do theirs there as conditionally, well, of course, but then it says only that you can join nato but as a neutral state that will not represent nominally. You can be there without representing aggression, that is, well, we have a country, no, neutral states. Once again, this is a conversation. You already know about the agreement, inside, of which the conditions will be established. Look at the territory, it may be under the mandate of nato, but at the same time there should be a little more lets try again, because it seems to me that you immediately switched, and to the analysis of our position and immediately everyone began to explain why we dont like it, is it not necessary or is there morality . I still want to go back again, we throw kiev aside, because everything was really clear there , what they would say about the statement of this uncle it is said there to the global south, no, this is some kind of look and im still trying to understand why . Because if our position is also clear. Well, why then these statements, because they know what is important the context of this statement was made in the framework of the discussion. Yes, this discussion is held, in fact for the sake of discussion. Here , look, for example, in the north atlantic manias, and they give the North Atlantic Alliance a question, see there is no ukraine, there are no successes at the front as part of the counteroffensive. And what will be the position of the reaction of the North Atlantic Alliance, how, with such water ukraine, in principle, join the Atlantic Alliance and, uh, there is somehow further to fight for its own decision. This is the problem of the impossibility of entry. Yes, he answers. Well, there is various options. In particular. One of them suggests that it is possible. That is, you are the discussion. You understand that if such options are not on the table, he will never happen, he will talk about the fact that we support democracy against bloody russia that, if necessary, nato holds its back, but until the time has come and so on, but he does not pronounce the option of exchanging one, i see one goal such a strategic world is coming. The redistribution needs a new big deal, which andrei said, i am absolutely here with him i agree in order to defend our positions as much as possible in this big deal for the future. Well, well, a number of conditions are necessary, one of the prerequisites is a haggard, shabby, and partly exhausted Russian Federation, when this happens it will be easier to negotiate with it. And if there is a goal, you can hold discussions, you can try Different Things and do if your opponents discussions are already advancing see shabby. Some of us are waiting there. Why should he then some go, yes meetings. Yes it is so far, nothing but the words imposed thrown. This is precisely the discussion that saw that there are different people in nato. They had so many. Two meetings, one was in denmark, yes, in my opinion , yes, and the second was in saudi arabia. Here they all gather there, too, some words. They even say some working groups have come up with a discussion of the ukrainian clan. Yes , as Vladimir Putin said, if you want to fill up some business, create a working group. And you say that, uh, the road map has nothing to do with it, that the global south, a bunch of your problems and for them the russian ukrainian conflict this, uh, means a factor that exacerbates an already, yes, difficult existence. They will be happy with any resolution of this nato conflict in exchange for territories. Okay that india will be against either china or or africa like them or the arab world so that there is no pointless signal to send, they have enough. Opportunities to communicate with the global south on different platforms, but what this statement testifies to is that it sounded from not the last person in nato testifies to for one thing, everything is going badly enough for the west, and it is going very badly. Im sure it s on right now. Uh, negotiation process, even if not between us and them, but there is some process going on between them. And now we are seeing the echoes of this process, one way or another , these stuffing really goes to the subject. This means that these are signals to see how we will react, that how they look at it, think through , and calculate different options for resolving the conflict. But i state from what i see, uh, the statement of a nato member is not the first before this scholz. Uh, before that, all this stuffing in the media is not the latest media and so on goes the umbrella. Give ground on how to end this conflict, it must be ended, because the further, the worse if it is marin. Give ground to us when we see some kind of formulated proposal and in which case we will see who this proposal is from. This is how we will see the formulated proposal in the event that , for example, there will be some kind of meeting with the director of the cia, bill burns, who is our chief emissary for the buyd administration for any negotiations with russia. If he comes to moscow or we have some kind of meeting on neutral territory, like ankara or abu , if this happens, it will be possible to say that, as some kind of proposal , washington was ready in the first place. We offer it. Abbas is absolutely right. Yes, these are zones. Dash the soil in relation to russia specifically. Well, listen guys, if you had to agree on something with the global south, and tell something about it, they would send the same burns or mr. Moore from mi6 to these countries, and he would be fine with them. Told not to do. Drain, especially in the german press. You see, i still understand this in english, the leak was in the german press. And who in the world, except germany itself, is so actively watching and, uh, paying attention to the german press. We are russia , so it was, of course, a signal. Me with saudi arabia is not china and the ninja. They dont even follow the german press as actively as we do. Well, thats why in this case its somehow complicated. And you can add more andrey at the same time, you need to raise, you understand, initially keep in mind that the russians are following the german wars, of course. And why exactly at the same time it is not necessary to think that they will not be at the same time. Uh, u to increase the supply of weapons in parallel with this, money will go. I only wanted from the german press. Sorry, not one year is equal to many years, of course, quietly, which we all regulated, but this is the american press. Here there is Something Else now. There regularly appear publications that this ukrainian counteroffensive is not the last thing we need to prepare for next year, that we need to issue more weapons, that is, i dont really see that the englishlanguage pre