Welcome back to the weekend. Donald trump resorted to crimes, to try to stay in office after the 2020 election. That is what special Counsel Jack Smith argues in a bombshell filing, recently unsealed. Putting trump legal woes back in the spotlight, just one month before the 2024 election. Smiths filing insists that Trump Separates to overturn the 2020 election were not official acts and dont fall under the scope of the supreme Courts President ial immunity rolling. The 165 page redacted document reveals new and disturbing details of trumps efforts to claim power and weeks after losing the 2020 election. Joining us is conservative lawyer George Conway. Welcome back to the table, my friend. Its always fun. Among those details, little more in The Way the former president else about his own Vice President. Upon refusing a Phone Call that Mike Pence had been taken to a secure Location Person15 rushed to inform the defendant in hopes to ensure his safety. After p 15 delivered the news, the defendant looked at him and said quote, so what . Classic Donald Trump, cares about nobody, nothing other than himself. It is all about him. Doesnt matter whether people got hurt or are going to get hurt on January 6th. Didnt matter his Vice President who had been loyal to him for 1-2'>3 1 2 years or four years, might be in danger. He doesnt care. He is a sociopath and that is more evidence of that man, of Donald Trump opposite us. A sickness we cant allow, as Liz Cheney put so well this week. We cant allow completely, a man completely lacking in Compassion And Decency to be president again. Help us a little bit better, i mean based on what you just said and alecia framing the question The Way she did, why then do people out there are not way that . Where along The Way did we change the idea that yeah, an individual with these psychopathys and the sociopathic behaviors, that is what we now see in a president and we are okay with that. The problem is, that the real danger of narcissistic sociopaths like this man coming into office, they create Permission Structure for other people to be their worst selves. We all have choices every day on whether to do right or to do wrong or to speak a lie or tell the truth. And he gives Everybody Permission to do the very worst things because they look and say, if he can do it, that im with him, i can do it. And that is a truly corrosive effect that having a man like this in public, beyond right, left policy, this is the true danger of having a person like this as a leader in public life. As you are speaking i thought about mark robinson, i thought about the congressman from louisiana that tweeted that always has a racist tweet but tweeted recently about haitian people in this country. I think about all of these candidates and individuals elected to office that have popped up. Yes, and because Donald Trump has given this Permission Structure. They want to be like him. And people say it is okay. It doesnt matter. The worst that Donald Trump has been seeking, throughout this whole time, to show up in this filing from Jack Smith along those lines, he writes in the years after january 6, defendant, Donald Trump, reiterated support for allegiance to writers who broke into the capitol, preventing financial assistance and reminiscing about January 6th as a beautiful day. The defendant stated he would pardon individuals convicted on january 6. Jack smith is saying hes my case is strong but also, i think this, people should read this as hes telling us what is going to do, people. Take Donald Trump at his word. It isnt just hyperbole because a lot of people excuse it as, hes just, thats how he talks. He doesnt really mean it. I think he means it. This piece of evidence has Retrospective Effect and prospective. Respite the evidentiary value that shows the Mans Intent, and that Mans Intent was to destroy our republic. And the future, that is perspective messages to the public that people can glean from public filings like this that explain what is going on or what happened in the past and say, wait a minute, this person will do it again. And that, is exactly right. Heres part of why it becomes particularly relevant, which is there was that moment in the Vice President ial debate that we all cant toward The End of the debate where j. D. Vance was asked about what the election in 2020, what happened on january 6. And for All Of Us who care about democracy, it was catch her Breath Moment of clarity. Yes. But we all know someone whos like, why are we talking about 2020. Why are we talking about something that happened four years ago. So to me, part of what is in this falling filing is answering that question. We are not only looking at things that happened, were looking at things that he plans to do in the future. Dont take Jack Smiths word for it, take the expresident at his own words. That, for me, is the critical point. In that moment of the debate, should have been clarifying. But the back to your point that people go, why are we talking about january 20th. We are talking about it because as she just read, the defendant stated that if reelected he will pardon individuals convicted of crimes on january 6. The defendant, you know, has held this as a beautiful day. So we cant dismiss that. We Cant Push under the rug, the fact that a former President Of The United States literally tried to steal our constitution away from us, tear it up and create something else right in front of our eyes. It is why there is a case. They tried to steal an election. And the fact, The Last Drive of the debate, coach walls, that is the whole point. I used to care a lot about marginal Tax Rates. I used to hear about a lot. Marginal Tax Rates dont do me any good if i dont live in a free country. So you know, only issue that mattered was the last five minutes of the debate. I dont understand why it is like pulling teeth with all 40 of the country. That 47 , they are not all bad, they are not all hardcore. So what is the trigger to see in the clarifying moment that that is the court. I think if there is exhaustion factor. Maybe it is anecdotal for people looking at these crowds and looking for Yard Signs but you dont feel the level of energy they had before. And i think his own base is exhausted. And i think the whole country is exhausted. But the people who want to vote them out, who have been against him all along and the people who have come to understand his true evil, those people are motivated to get out. Other people sick of him are his own people and its like, i dont want to go to another raleigh. Do i really i have to get up on election day. How many envelopes do i have these envelopes are bad. Im not going to vote. Theres a story about that this week. I dont know where i read it, but reporters went to a Trump Rally and asked the people who are leaving why they were leaving and one woman said he was an hour late, so you dont have the decency to come on time, leaving. They said it was nasty and the ranting and vitriol. One woman came with a friend of Hers Or Family member to vote for Kamala Harris and said, im voting for Kamala Harris too now. So to your point, people are, a number of people are fed up. It was Washington Post, by The Way. Here is where i would sort of tie these together. To your point about fatigue, theres political political fatigue but the fatigue with black of accountability. So i want to put on your Attorney Head and pull back the curtain for me on what you think Jack Smiths strategy was, and understanding hes not going to be able to prosecute any of these cases against Donald Trump in time for the election. You should be prosecuting this case early next year. This case is going to go to trial if trump is not elected president. The Supreme Court, the whole proceedings with the appeals, from the d. C. Circuit to Supreme Court, that took six or seven months. And they passed the summer. It is time for the preceding the Supreme Court directed and Donald Trump asked for by The Way, to start for real because the Supreme Court ruled back in june and Jack Smith, it doesnt look like hes in a terrible hurry but i am happy he was able to file this thing before the election. Also, real quick, it is also important to note that we are here, right, because Donald Trumps lawyers pushed us into the space. We couldve been passed this by now. But that strategy of delay, delay, delay, appeal, do appeal, appeal, over and over again pushes these cases back. Now to hear Donald Trump and his whining, like a little baby , about the fact that this is put out in front of the country again. This is the clock you said hear this could have been resolved in august. It could have been resolved in june. But now you wanted to hear, so Jack Smith is like, okay. Here you go. This is it. Just proceeding in normal course. As they shed. Please stay with us. We want to discuss Donald TrumpOffice Revenge Tour he will go on, if he wins the second term. This is the weekend on msnbc. Legal experts concerned should Donald Trump win a second term he would follow through on the to prosecute his political adversaries. As peter keisler, founder of Conservative Federal Society tells the New York Times, theres every reason to believe that Donald Trump would seek to use criminal enforcement and the fbi as leverage for his personal and political ends in a second term. George conway is back with us. That is a huge piece of this, that i think folks also need to focus on in the context of it is not just the election but what happens. What does, you know, february, march, april, next October Look like in this country when you have a president , knowing Donald Trump as we all do, feel vindicated, to now do whatever it is he wants to do. Because the Supreme Court has said all you have to do is utter two words, that this is president ial immunity, to do these things i want to do. That the weaponization of the fbi, the department of justice, i think is not just at the federal level, in terms of washington, but around the country, and that just pressure comes down and here we are. He didnt need the Supreme Court to help him because this is a man who when some leaders say, we can do that, it is illegal, he would say i will pardon you and he did that on a couple of occasions. He somebody who thought under article 2 of the constitution he could do whatever he wants. And now hes being told if you call it an official act, he gets out. Fortunately he committed enough unofficial acts of crime that is going to go to jail and not be able to commit any more official acts. Maybe. Maybe. Our system is dealt to deal with Donald Trump. I think the system has been built to deal with anyone. It has chosen to allow Donald Trump to exploit every loophole that exists and not hold did the same standard and until people are ready to admit that, i think judge merchan, and all the judges that have handled these cases are under a remarkable amount of pressure. Their families have been targeted. They targeted judge merchans daughter. One can argue that pressure, the Target Wasnt effective because we dont have a ruling in that case now until after the election because he wants us to be about politics. I under i cant imagine what it is like to be targeted like that, to have your Family Members targeted. Whatever, you know what im looking for before that,. The black of accountability is galling and it is deeply disturbing. And Donald Trump is going to do this. Can i play Call And Response and get you to respond to it. Because there is a president saying i am confident the election will be fair and free, free and fair. I dont know whether it will be peaceful. This is what Donald Trump had to say about that. Take a listen. I can only hope it is going to be free and fair and i think at this date it will be and every stated will be and i think were going to do very well but right now were focused on this. We are not focused on the election. That is in georgia, where he had to ask Brad Raffensperger to find him votes. Leaving options open to declare any loss he may sever to be fraud. And we will see this, the same tricky poled. Jack smith, describes how basically it was his intent all along to undermine respect for the election, in the event he lost. And that he was going to always declare victory. No matter what. He told jared and ivanka that. Heres the thing i think for everybody out there, to wrap your silly little head around. Is the fact that fair and free elections, thats never been a question for us because we have are done since the redundancies in our system to check to make sure is a fair and free election. But riddle me this, republicans. How do you corrupt the top of the ticket without corrupting the rest of the ballot . Because that means a lot of your behinds should not be in congress right now and should not be in the senate. Because of that unfair, corrupt , rigged election. So help me george, to understand how i can fraudulently elect Joe Biden, but not fraudulently elect all the republicans on that same ballot. Its magic. How the hell does that happen. Please stop buying his crop. He is fed up. I am fed up today. It is asymmetrical which is democrats wouldnt deign to do that. They would not deign to call into question the result. There were other things on the ballot. We did get one piece of paper that said Donald Trump, and Everybody Republican and democrat. Tell me how his election was rigged and every name on that ballot, you got elected. You all didnt complain about that. This would be a good question. When you are in our beautiful Home State of New Jersey, i have to tell you every email i have gotten about your forthcoming appearance in New Jersey with Liz Cheney says George Conway from New Jersey. This is the jersey coroner. Stand up. How do you engage someone like her on this Conversation And Question of him going after his adversaries given that shes got to be near the top of the list. Absolutely, that is something i would love to talk to her about. When she ran for reelection, i heard that the stories were that she had to have extra protection walking around, going around the ordinary places of wyoming. And you know, she not only showed political courage to take a loss for principle, but she showed physical courage and continues to. I cant say enough about that. Just to be on a stage with her, it is going to be, i moved. George conway from New Jersey, in New Jersey<