Thats tonights last word. The 11th Hour starts now. Youre really in the final stretch until election day. There is so much happening in the world thats bringing the selection into relief for so many of the american people. Breaking economic news. This Jobs Report was released. The company much higher than analysts expected. J. D. Vance showed up tonight to sort of Put A Smoother Sheen On from his him. You blame Donald Trump. Who has been the Vice President for the last four years . The answer is your running mate, not mine. They know what the Vice President can do and what the Vice President cant do. Did he lose the 2020 election . Tim, im focused on the future. Thats a damning nonanswer. Explosive newly unsealed filing from special counsel jack smith. Its really lawyering at its best. They rigged the election. I didnt lose the election. Donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. Former President Obama to get the Campaign Trail for Kamala Harris. Theres a place for you with us and in this campaign. I am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris. I look forward to casting my ballot for her. On November 5th im casting my vote for, harris and Tim Walz. Good evening once again. I am Stephanie Ruhle and we are now just 42 days away from the election. Get your scorecards out because a lot is happening this week. We have what is likely the final debate as vp candidates tim Walz And J. D. Vance faced off. Kamala harris shared the stage with republican Liz Cheney and Donald Trump cried foul after jack smiths latest filing came packed with new revelations about trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Meanwhile, the Middle East, a three Day Dockworker Strike and the aftermath of Hurricane Helene could weigh on the outcome of the election. Everybody better buckle up because im sure im about to say something corny, especially in the battleground states, because the campaigns, i knew it, or going into overdrive. We have a lot to cover so lets bring in our nightcap. Ron and sauna is here. You know him very well and you know he is absolutely fantastic. Cnbc senior Analyst And Ceo of wifi. A. I. Comedian John Fugal sang, host of tell me everything on sirius xm. We havent seen him in a while. Steve bruno is here for the very first time, emmywinning writer. A former Executive Producer of the daily Show And Maia wiley, ceo of the Leadership Conference on civil and human rights and author of the memoir, the new memoir, remember you are a wily. All right gang. Lets start with the debates. It was the cleanest, shiniest, Brandnew J. D. Vance who did a better Job Peddling dangerous elements of from his him then Donald Trump for Ron Desantis ever has. Is that the j. D. Vance we are likely to get for the next 30 days . Because its the opposite of the man on the Campaign Trail. I imagine it is. He was well spoken. He was articulate. He lied through the entire debates about a lot of important factors including dodging a question on the results of the 2020 election. It was slick. They used to call Bill Clinton slick willie. Theres a certain component of this that may resonate with j. D. Vance. He got away with a lot and because Tim Walz did in Fact Check and do his job as the debate opponent, i think it wouldve otherwise gone differently had we kind of seen him correct it from time to time. What does it say about your policies when you have to lie about what you actually want to do . It says that you know better and dont care. To me one of the most amazing things and you said it several times, is he wants to regain the american Peoples Trust on the abortion issue, and i was screaming at the television. What are you talking about, regain trust . Trust to do what . And they seem to take no responsibility for what theyve actually done, and were making some lofty promise about making us feel better. It was obviously empty. I thought. Hours, just a few hours before the debates, Donald Trump had a rally and in that rally he spouted a complete Word Salad News conference. I ask this all the time, if Kamala Harris did the same. She gives a lofty answer and people lose their mind that they dont know enough detail, it is word salad. He didnt even bust out a coherent sentence. Can we just talk about the double standard . And its not the first time. Thats the other thing. This is like not new and its why some democrats are really frustrated about the double standard for joe biden, you know . Remember him . So the double standard is amazing and shocking and all i can say is we are still in a state in this race and in this country where people are much more concerned about their underlying beliefs than the facts and we got to do something about that. Look, i have to say, as debates go, yes, as long as we are not grading someone on honesty or character, j. D. Vance did just great and Tim Walz failed miserably correcting j. D. Vances lies about 100 Billion to iran, j. D. Vances lies about Donald Trump saving obamacare, j. D. Vances lies about how theres a rule youre not supposed to Fact Check, j. D. Vances lies. Tim walz failed. He failed to correct these lies so clearly j. D. Vance is the winner. I agree with ron. The Human Suit was much better the other night but at the end of the day he is still a petulant, dishonest Eyeliner Model who will go down in the books on this campaign for where trump started his political career, with a racist lie about a black president. Perhaps his political career is ending with this racist lie about legal haitian migrants. J. D. Vance is all of the kids who vanished in the chocolate factory. Not one single cosmetic company has come forward and said he represents them. But again, hell need the influencer dollars next year because hell wait a few years before becoming a lobbyist. Well wait and see. You think the Harris Campaign is playing it too safe . We were talking before the show about tim Walz And Everybody said i havent seen him in a while. I wish they would start taking some bigger swings and that its now or never. He has a month left. How do you think they should be playing It Safe . He has the historic benefit of running the shortest president ial campaign in history, and the last thing you want to do is put so much stuff out there that you get destroyed in the home stretch. I think if i were her political advisor, a 60 Minutes Interview i believe this weekend, i would be playing it just as safe. Id be in local spots. I would be traveling like crazy. I would be doing local tv. I would skip national. Im with ron on this and i just want to say it plane. Black asian woman with a jewish husband got to play It Safe, yall. Middle america, where we are debating whether haitians eat dogs and cats of our neighbors. This is not and the first woman to actually be in this position, meaning in this position where we still have roughly 70 Million americans who dont care that Donald Trump actually incited a coup. Correct. You have to play It Safe. Theres different ways of playing it. The person in that profile has to take it easy, in some respects. There are bigger, louder things they could be doing. The Tariffs Issue for example. I have not heard nearly as much about that as i would like to. They are wrong on the facts. Its terrible policy. Its not just bad for consumers. Obviously it is. Its terrible for business exports, too and like slam that home. I dont think thats a risk. Tim walz did that in the debate. Joe biden to be one of the main three things i hear from her over and over and over. I know its resonating but i do hear it go i guess the question is, though, we are talking about a race with a lot of people who made up their minds on one side or the other and the question really becomes are you getting those undecideds . Because it is the undecided. This is going to be a narrow Margin Race and im just going to tell you, having run, the things that we think motivate people to fill in that little Bubble And Slide that is often not the thing that motivates them. And if you have to connect really directly im going to back steve for a moment here. Lets say she doesnt do any more interviews. The fact that the economy is as strong as it is for the last four years. This White House has really not done a great job singing it from the rafters because they do and i completely understand why they want to be careful, because you do not want to run a Victory Lap when there are so many people suffering. I get that. However, and ive said this before, democrats are saying they are unwilling to sing happy birthday until every single child in america has a cupcake. And if they do not start singing, there will be no cake. There will be nothing for anybody. You need to make a lot of noise. With all respect to maia, because i live in a world where shes my mayor, but i only think the democrats wisely are going for the other side, anymore. And quite frankly after nine years, anyone who cant decide, i dont even know what they think. Theyre going for the people who are decided but dont feel like voting. Theyre going for people who will vote to try to get them off the couch. Youre not going to sway the undecided. Thats why the only way to do it is bold policy. It actually has the data behind it. Theres two kinds of undecided. As you say, theres people who are deciding who to vote for but theres also a lot of people deciding whether to vote. Executive. And if they do they know its going to go one way or the other. Three buckets. I think you got to take different approaches with each of them. You have to motivate your own side to get off the couch and show up that day and i think they are focusing more on that, wisely, then focusing on changing anybodys minds. Im the economist. What you were saying earlier, they have the momentum now as of this morning. The Jobs Number was unequivocally strong 250,000 jobs created. The Unemployment Rate dropped to 4. 1 instead of going up. Rages are growing faster than inflation and have been for 18 months. You see this in the data. You see this in peoples purchasing power. Household Net Worth is over 150 trillion. The Dow Hit A new alltime high today. If youre going to do it you know i agree with you on every single point. Heres the thing that i hate and i talked about this on morning joe today. This is where i wish they would just connect these dots. Everything you said is real. However, things still cost a lot of money when you go to a store, when you go to a restaurant, and thats not going to change. What i would like is if democrats could start saying out loud, in a Care Economy where we are trying to pay people more, where low Wage Workers are getting 20 an hour, theyre getting benefits, they are getting paid time off. Yes, in some instances there is Price Gouging and theres corporate greed. However, when we raise wages, that means things will cost more, because you have the same people hold on. You have the same people saying, oh my gosh, i cant believe that pizza just cost 26 bucks, forgetting that, you know what, i know you are happy because the people who are working there now are i dont want to dominate. Dont worry, you wont have a chance to do that. Ill let that one go for now. In california when they raised the Minimum Wage for Fast Food Workers to 50 an hour, 20 an hour i guess it was. There are now more fast food Workers Today than there were prior to the Wage Hike and mcdonalds is selling Combo Meals for 5 bucks. Its not a universal truth that every time you raise Wages Prices go up. That was true in the 70s for other reasons. What how often are we in our daily lives, people are going out for a burger and a beer, theyre going oh my gosh, i cant believe it costs x now and that ends up dominating the conversation. When theres profits and prices are still high, the democrats have an opening to come in there and say, yes this is about corporate greed so lets look at whos partys favor that corporate read and whose parties are for the 99 . A country of small as this is and we have to be aware that when we talk about business, business also affects the little guy. So small businesses will tell you their Input Costs are really high and regulations are really difficult. We need to find a way to see all of them. The latest census data, between 2020 and 2022, start up Jobs Startup companies have created 7. 4 million jobs and that is continuing apace today. I agree with every Data Point you have, and you know who doesnt agree with the Two Of Us . The vibe in the economy and how people feel. You have to start thinking about what it is it that are making people feel this way . This is exactly what obama faced in 2012. The recovery on paper that people werent really feeling. He was lucky to have this Aristocrat Romney to draw the visual contrast for the voters to see. Youre running against a millionaire at hearse who cut his own taxes and has a golden toilet, and Kamala Harris is the american success story. That is the narrative that they need to be feeling. People are starting, i think, when given the right information, to not feel as bad as they were a few months ago. They are starting to add up into a feeling. Thats going to help and the reason i mentioned terrace, for example, is there also responding to that when they hear about it. Thats going to be inflationary. I dont know that we are completely disagreeing, so let me just say this. I think what i mean is of course they have to do a great job of singing their own praises about their success story. Of course. The thing that i find so frustrating about this kind of debate about how bold they are being or not bold there be in, it doesnt matter what she does. She gets criticized. That was my point about being a black, asian woman married to a jewish guy. Its like so the critical thing here, and i actually agree also with we are talking about yes, you always have to get the base and theres a lot of things to get the base. And she has the base. The energy is real. But it goes back to one of the things i think shes doing so well. Shes talking about the future. When shes talking about the future shes talking about small businesses. Shes talking about childcare. Shes talking about the cost of housing and these are the big, structural issues. They are so critical and she is. So we have to start saying she is. What am i going to fight for, not how many News Media appearances i make. Thats what turns on voters. When you think about those three buckets that she could go after. This week we saw her on the stage with Liz Cheney. We know next week Kathleen Hutchinson is going to be with her and a number of other former trump aides. Who do they pull from . When Liz Cheney coheadlines an event with Kamala Harris, i dont know whos on her guest list. Two things. I think theres a small number of potential voters, basically people who are like Liz Cheney, former republicans who are sick of it and looking for validation for those feelings. And shes a terrific example of that. I think it also sets a different tone that Kamala Harris is someone that is bringing people together and clearly Donald Trump is not. Thats a great point. Is pushing people away. Shes attracting people to her. Liberals like rfk and tulsa gathered. She needs that bonnie to endorse her. To be honest, if youre going to go somewhere different, she got taylor swift. Thats a big deal, for a certain slice of the electorate. Young females ergo she needs to go after young men in a way that its just not resonating. I agree with you. Its amazing the success Donald Trump has had with young white men, we know we watched that co Vaughn Interview a few weeks ago saying oh my goodness, what a buffoon, Donald Trump. That was a successful when you hear that, its incredibly successful how hes peeling them off and part of it is that group of people dont feel like democrats are speaking to them. Yes, that is a problem, but again, how is Donald Trump speaking to them . Hes selling racism. Hes peddling scapegoating. Hes peddling xenophobia. Hes not offering anything. If this republican party had policies that would help non millionaires, they never shut up about them, and they dont. It clearly is saying something to them. There listening to it. I dont think its just those obviously very negative things were talking about. Everyone is trying to be joe rogan. Thats something they seem to be responding to and its not inherently evil but its also not something the democrats are offering. The democrats arent talking to young men for havent been for the last five or 10 years, very much. The response to it is much more stark than i wouldve expected but not entirely surprising and but hold on. Im with steve here is just by us minimizing them that they are Job Rogan one of the Dude Brose doesnt mean their votes dont count. Im saying in a world i believe. Im a parent of one so i believe that they feel like in a universe where inclusivity is so important, which it is, theyre not only not seen what theyre attacked and i know thats not the way democrats feel but this is an opportunity to go speak to them and say i know you care about the economy, i know you care about reproductive rights. Yes, but we need to see democrats start to do that. Because they are the Party Party thats fighting for these young men, because young men care about Roe V wade, young men care about Student Loan Debt forgiveness, young men car