Ago back in 1853. And that unassuming gable Roof Building that you see still standing there today. Because in 1854, just one year after the little white high School House was built, a group of people got together in that Little White Schoolhouse came up with an idea that would change everything. The people who met in that building in that Little White Schoolhouse decided they should actually start a new Political Party. A Coalition Party that brought together free Soil Movement and disinfected democrats who all had different political visions for the country. But who were all united around their opposition to the moral crisis of the time of slavery. Now, they decided to call their new Political Party the Republican Party. The rest as they say is kind of history. The Republican Party would, of course, be the party of lincoln, the party that ends slavery and establish itself as one of americas two major political organizations for the next century and a half and still today. It is one of a historys greater tragedies that the Republican Party of today is no longer that collision of people committed to the idea of fighting back against americas worst impulses. Because todays Republican Party is, instead, a cult of personality. That basically revolves around one guy, Donald Trump. There is still moments of rightness. Today in wisconsin the birthplace as i just walked you through of americas grand old party, a new kind of coalition came together. To put its own stamp on american history, earlier this evening, a republican chair from iowa, you see him right there. Took the stage to introduce another republican. The daughter, of course, of a republican Vice President who has long been despised in many democratic circles in pushing americans to the war in iraq. A woman who was once member of republican Leadership Serving as chair just three years ago. Yep. She was there, right there. Basically stood on the stage with the democratic nominee for president , Kamala Harris, and said this. I tell you i have never voted for a democrat. But this year i am proudly casting my vote for Vice PresidentKamala Harris. [ cheers and applause ] [ Crowd Chanting ] thank you, liz. Thank you, liz thank you, but mostly we are not going back. [ cheers and applause ] i ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth. To reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump. And i ask you instead to help us elect Kamala Harris. There are so many powerful forces that have been intent on trying to demean and belittle and make people afraid. And there are many who know it is wrong and then there are those who have the courage to speak out loudly about it. And the conviction to speak truth and, you know, it is so admirable when anyone does it and especially when it is difficult to do in an environment such as this. But Liz Cheney really is a leader who puts country above party and above self. You may be sitting at home saying this does not matter. Nothing matters, Liz Cheney is not going to move the election. I happen to think It Matters but listen, maybe you are right. Wisconsin has been a State Won or loss by less than 1 . It is always close and it is going to be close. In that context, pretty much every vote, every new coalition member, everything may matter. This endorsement and her decision to campaign for harris not happening in a vacuum alone. In the last few weeks over 100 former republican officials endorsed Kamala Harris. Believe me, and they said It T is not because they agree with everything the Harriswalz Ticket believes. It is because they feel as Liz Cheney feels that putting patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspirations it is a duty. Lifelong republican, former Trump Aide put It This way last night. I am really, really proud as a conservative to have the opportunity to vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in this election. For republicans who may be on the fence. I understand how frightening it can be to potentially separate with your party. But Donald Trump and j. D. Vance can not be trusted with the constitution, they can not be trusted to uphold our Rule Of Law and can not be trusted to enact responsible policy. So, of course, it is great. Good to have republicans like Liz Cheney and Hutch Inson and the 100 republican officials who endorsed harris speaking out about the fact that one candidate will defend the constitution and one wont. But here is the thing. There are a whole lot of republicans, prominent ones, voiced their opposition to trump, who expressed concern about specific things like his ability to be commander in chief. His temperment, his morality who still stopped short of endorsing his opponent, Kamala Harris. Look, i will call them out. We need to. Mitt romney who fears trump will target him and his family if reelected. People like former president george w. Bush Who Trust attacked at every turn. People like John Kelly who said that Trump Quote has Nothing But Contempt for our democratic constitutions and the constitutions and the rule, he would know he worked for him and Mike Pence who would definitely knows who life was literally threatened by trump and his Mob And Safety was a matter of such utter indifference to trump, warranting only a so what. I am not saying it is easy. It is not easy. It is never easy to go against your own Political Party. Liz cheney felt the consequences. She was excommunicated from the party she spent her life, that her father spent his Life Serving in. But as Kamala Harris said tonight about the Threat Trump poses, there are many who know it is wrong and then there are those that have the courage to speak out loudly about it and the conviction to speak truth. Mitt romney, george bush, george kelly, Mike Pence. We are 30 days from an election, if you are not going to speak up loudly now, your moment to play a role in the History Books may be passing you by. Join ming me now, chair of the democratic party of wisconsin, mark, i will start with you because you are sitting here with me. You were with Liz Cheney when she came out and endorsed Kamala Harris. That was a significant piece of news. I want to start by asking you this, does it matter question. You hear that a lot. Do you think It Matters . 100 It Matters. This cavalier brush, she was wrongly booted out of her party, she lost reelection, you know, no constituency for Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney. Tens of millions of americans voted for Dick Cheney for president and Mitt Romney for president , a different category the Mike Pence, Paul Ryans all on republican tickets who said they are not voting for Donald Trump. They have not gone the full 9 yards, none of them, but for liz who said that they are going to vote for Kamala Harris. But, listen, the keywords here are Permission Structure. There are tons of republicans out there. Former republicans out there. Independents out there, voted for Donald Trump in the past. Voted for many republicans on president ial ballots and down ballots over the years that need that extra push. It is, you get some credit, i guess, if you are going to say no, i am not voting for trump. Full credit if you are going to vote for the person. The one person who can beat him. It can hurt all of them as well. All of these people. They dont have, they have something to lose, certainly, as Liz Cheney did. What is holding them back . That . Something elses . That is a mystery. Pence and romney both said they are not voting for trump. Both for personal and i think unsurprising reasons. Why they are not going, you know, often you hear things like i will write in ronald reagan. I dont know why they think they are protecting themselves or what is stopping them there. Then a different category you dont know what Paul Ryan is thinking, george w. Bush, now, in texas a couple weeks ago when i was with, when i was interviewing liz and a couple days earlier she had endorsed Kamala Harris and i asked her if her dad was voting, she said her dad was voting for Kamala Harris it made a little news. The follow up i heard from a lot of people that day, where is w . When are we going to hear from him . I dont think it is that big of a deal. There is a solid, public core of republicans but big names are out there that have not spoken out. I think this is, this is an important election. I hate to be overstating this. I think it is that big and the Dick Cheney news. Now, let me go to you. I will ask you, kind of a similar question. No pressure, wisconsin is kind of a key decider here in the outcome of this election as you know well. The birthplace of the Republican Party as we all have been learning in the past 24 hours, as you talked to people after the rally and in advance of it, how much of it . Do the endorsements of the Security Officials and republican officials matter to the voters you are talking to in the state that may be on the fence or waiting as mark just said for a Permission Structure . These things do matter. They matter to two different groups of voters. One group of voters that are the typical Swing Voters that people talk about. These are people who do not pay attention to politics. Think about politics the way you and i think about the javelin at the olympics, we are vaguely aware it happens every four years but not seeking out. Just hearing democrats and republicans are all agree that Kamala Harris is the person it might filter through, it might matter for some of them. A different group who are the high information highly engaged, highly principalled conservative republicans who is first and core is to the flag and the constitution and the united states of america. And for them Liz Cheney shows that you can be yourself with your conservative commitments. But put country over Party And Everything else and cast a ballot and remain with integrity and open the door for those voters that would not be Spring Voters in any stretch. It can matter in the state that can come down to less than 1 . That is why it was such a game changer. It was, i was not obviously there. A really compelling event to watch on television. The other question that i have been wanting to ask you, who are the undecided people . What are they waiting to hear at this point in time . I mean, how do you assess the Percentage Or Number of undecided voters in wisconsin and kind of, what are they on the edge over . So, it is less than 5 at this point. We are doing everything we can to reach them and all of the folks that will vote for harris. There are people with Absentee Ballots in their house right now who has not voted. But these voters, they are mixed. Some of them are people who are very conservative, generally vote republican, but think that the Abortion Ban is uncrossable line. They are trying to decide, you know, can i really vote for someone who supports an Abortion Ban given they agree with me on other things. For some people, the opposite. Faith tells them they can never vote for someone on the other side. That group is smaller, i will tell you, but agree with harris on taking on the Price Gouging big companies. You know, think they will be better in the come if they vote for harris. Some of them think all politicians are crooks for those voters, talking to them about how life will effect them directly. That, and the Abortion Ban. Those things can make a difference. And i talk to the people at the door. They have a Grab Bag of views, it is about showing up, listening to them and engaging at a level of shared values that makes the difference another group. The veterans. And the principals of this country. Andtodays event helps us reach them. To the point of those veterans and the people, it is a comprehensive break down. That is why it is a good state party. One thing that struck me watching It Today. Now, the those are messages that work well for Liz Cheney, right . That is a speech, could be delivered by a pretrump republican 33 days out in many ways. What do you make of that messaging . You are trying to come together. Mainstream republicans. Liz cheney does specifically narrow her focus to the constitution, to the Rule Of Law and also Foreign Policy a little bit. These are three core constituencies. Liz did not get into this but this is part of it. Just trumps conduct. Decency. Liberal or conservative. It is a basic american that you sort of heard it. Reportedly, that is a big part of the harriswalz message. Basic decency. I was out with walz and you hear neighbor, neighbor, neighbor, that is a word you hear with both of them. A unity behind them. Basic core principals, i think it hits that. I mean it seems consistent. It was a smart message for today. If is so interesting. Thank you very much. I love talking to you. Ben, you got 5 undecided voters to go and reach. You are very busy, thank you very much, and javelin is a big thing and i think about it a lot. [ laughter ] so i will give it, you know. Trying and failing to prosecute his political enemies, what about a second term. Legal experts warn the New York Times today that trump will try again if returned to power. We know that. This time the results may be very different. We will discuss why. We have a quick break and we will be right back ick Break Ane will be right back orking on a project. While loading up our suv, one extra push and. Crack so, we scheduled at safelite. 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