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Transcripts For MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20241004

Proudly casting my vote for vice president kamala harris. The coalition to protect democracy and defeat donald trump. He is petty, he is vindictive and he is cruel and donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. Liz cheney and kamala harris making the case to republican voters. Together i know we can chart a new way forward. Not as members of any one party, but as americans. Tonight, as republicans try to whitewash the attack on the capital, two of the police officers injured that they join me live. Then your lies are well documented and these convictions are serious. I am convinced you would do it all over again if you could. Justice for one of the people who tried to overthrow the 2020 election as jack smith lays out the case against donald trump. Plus he lied and he lied and he lied. The alternate reality pushed by trump and his running mate when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. I am chris hayes. We have been watching the scene in wisconsin. That is the birthplace of the republican party before the election of abraham lincoln and the place were former republican congresswoman liz cheney just joined kamala harris the vice president for a joint campaign appearance, taking the stage. Cheney endorsed the vice president and laid out the stakes of this election. I tell you i have never voted for a democrat, but this year i am proudly casting my vote for vice president kamala harris. As we meet here today, our republic faces a threat unlike any we have faced before. A former president to attempted to stay in power by unraveling the foundations of our republic. By refusing to accept the lawful results confirmed by dozens of courts of the 2020 election. We cannot turn away from this truth. In this election, putting patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspiration. It is our duty. To state the obvious, personally i don't agree with a lot of cheney's politics. I imagine a lot of you watching feel the same way. Just about everything she has advocated for in the course of public life. Except one thing. Except one thing, the most important thing. This is someone who put her whole political career, her future in the republican party, a party to which she was born. And eris innocence. She put it on the line for american democracy. She is someone who believes donald trump is a unique threat. Donald trump was willing to sacrifice our capital to allow law enforcement officers to be beaten and brutalized in his name and violate the law and the constitution in order to seize power for himself. I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican or an independent. That is depravity and we must never become numb to it. Any person who would do these things can never be trusted with power again. Now the health and future of american democracy is very clearly, obviously on the ballot this election, but just because something is important, like whether we will be a democracy or not, it does not necessarily mean that it is good campaign fodder. There is reason to believe that just like two years ago, running on this core message that we are americans, democracy and we want to keep that going, that that is a winning message. Take a look at this. This is a graph from 2022. The green line shows president joe biden's approval rating from the time he took office in 2021 to september, 2022. You can see it was going steadily down until the end of that summer when it picks up and reverses course. See that little tick in the bottom? this came in the wake of the supreme court decision at the end of june overturning roe v. Wade. Over june and july millions of americans also watched eight hearings held by the january 6 committee. Democrat saw where the mood of the country was and they ran on those issues. Abortion and in particular, democracy. Remember this speech? it was just ahead of labor day weekend. President biden delivered this primetime address in front of independence hall, warning that our democracy was at stake. For a long time we told ourselves that american democracy is guaranteed, but it is not. We have to defend it. Protect it. Stand up for it. Each and every one of us. That is why tonight i am asking our nation to come together. Unite behind the single purpose of defending our democracy regardless of your ideology. At the time remember the discourse around this? it was not clear if that message was going to work. Sort of an open question and there were a lot of people out there who thought it was out of touch, tone deaf or even elitist, that real people only cared about grocery prices and they were wrong. Biden and democrats defied expectations. They pulled off a historic win for a still relatively unpopular incumbent president. The democrats bet and one two years ago on the idea that it is actually condescending to think that ordinary people, plumbers and cabdrivers and teachers and nurses, don't understand or care about democracy. That is too highfalutin for them? working people, people without a lot of money, people without formal education, they are smart. In fact the reason we have a democracy in the first place is because we trust that all of us together can make these decisions. I think the majority of people of all different walks of life, all levels of education, credentials, don't want to dictatorship. I think if you force the issues in those terms the pro democracy side wins. That was the message and it worked in 2022. Here we are again. This time around the other side knows, believe me they know, that january 6, the images of the men bashing the cops brains in, the attempt to overthrow the american republic, is an enormous political liability. Instead of engaging with it or admitting to it, they are desperately trying to run away from it. Did he lose the 2020 election? kim, i'm focused on the future. Did kamala harris censor americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation? that is a damning nonanswer. That is a damning nonanswer. The republican majority whip had been running around, blaming the media. It is the media's fault for being obsessed with donald trump's attempted coup. Did you think you would get that question? did you talk about how to answer the 2020 question? listen, again, he answered it. You don't like the answer, but he answered it. This is something that you folks in the media want to focus on on a regular basis. The american people and thank goodness j. D. Vance and donald trump are focused on the election and how to fix this country. Again, we are talking about an election that will take place in 35 days. What are you doing talking about something four years ago? donald trump is still talking about four years ago, with all due respect. The people are hurting. You don't have to be particularly read into politics to understand the gentleman on the right of your screen doesn't want to talk about it because it is bad for him. Because the guy who is effectively his boss summoned a violent mob to try to end american democracy. So they want to change the subject because they understand again that the majority of the country wants to preserve democracy. Of course donald trump himself is a bit of a different story. He is too obsessed with the whole thing to ever drop it. It was a rigged election. You have to tell kamala harris that is why i am doing it again. If i thought i lost. You know where i would be right now? on the beaches of monte carlo or someplace. All right, you see the little thing we put on the screen? that was today. We are not running file footage. Today in saginaw, michigan. A few days after tom hammer was yelling about how the media is obsessed with it, donald trump was talking about the 2020 election and there is a reason that has not worked for trump. No matter the background or income or education level or positions on things, i do think americans believe fundamentally, a majority of us in our democratic experiment and wanted to continue. Here we are, 33 days to go. Donald trump and his authoritarian names on the ballot once again. J. D. Vance pledging to do whatever it takes on donald trump's behalf up to and including overturning elections. He is on the record. With the help of the supreme court. Trump has tried to wipe his crimes from voters minds. His running mate j. D. Vance refused to tell tens of millions of americans if he would do it again. In the last 24 hours we got new evidence from special prosecutor jack smith about how far trump was willing to go to foment the coup on january 6 and tonight, liz cheney stood up to remind us that he is really going to try to do it again. If we come together as a pro democracy coalition we can stop it. We have a shared commitment. A shared commitment as americans to ensuring that future generations live in a nation where power is transferred peacefully. Where our leaders are men and women of good faith and where our public servants set aside partisan battles to do what's right for this country. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth. To reject the depraved cruelty of donald trump. Now i may live to eat these words. I don't know the future and no one else does, but i'm willing to put my faith in the american people on this. That we want to be a democracy and not a donald trump dictatorship. Officer michael fanone and sergeant aquilino gonell were both police officers who defended the capitol. Officer michael fanone has since toured the country with a group speaking out against extremism. The author of hold the line, the insurrection and one cops battle for america's soul. Aquilino gonell is author of american shield, the emigrant sergeant who defended democracy and a new oped titled january 6 was one of the worst days of my life and i do not want to see it happen again. They both join me now. Sergeant gonell, let me get your reaction to two things j. D. Vance said. He would not say who won the election and then an even more audacious lie where he said for all the whining democrats are doing they peacefully transfer power on january 20, so what is the big deal? well, thanks for having me on your show and to that i say, january 6 was not peaceful. Peaceful is a handshake and wishing the other party well. For the good of the country. On january 6 what we encountered was the violence that republicans and the president, the leading candidate who now is proposing to do it all over again. Another january 6. So all the sacrifices that we did to protect those elected officials. You know, j. D. Vance was not at the capitol on january 6, fortunately for him. But i could see him running just like josh hawley did while we were protecting them from being harmed. It is a desecration of the sacrifices that we did on that day. Mike, i want to get your thoughts on what went through your mind as you saw j. D. Vance sort of blithely dismissed the whole thing. J. D. Vance is a liar. He is donald trump's useful idiot and he will say anything to appease donald trump. I mean at the end of the day what i have come to learn about j. D. Vance is that he is a pure opportunist and he is looking to further his own political career, just like so many other republicans in this moment who know that donald trump is dangerous. Who know that donald trump is a disgrace, but are willing to allow themselves or will pay fealty to him to further their own political careers. So at the end of the day, like i said, j. D. Vance is a liar. January 6 was brutal. It was violent. Lawenforcement officers were severely beaten. Myself and sergeant gonell included and that is the reality of january 6. Sergeant gonell, i'm going to quote from your oped and ask a question about it. You said patriotism is not targeting noncitizen voting. It is defending democracy from the threats of extremism and the possibility of another january 6. You are an immigrant to this country who served your adopted country. You served this nation. You worked as an officer and defended the capitol on that day. As you watch this demonization of immigrants from people who want to be in power once again, this scaremongering, vile libel and memory holing of january 6, what do you think? unfortunately they have even tried to pass the save act, which is a maga, project 2025 project. The legislation they want to pass where immigrants are going to be stripped of naturalizations. Their protected status, legal status. It is very unfortunate because here i am, possibly the poster child of what republicans used to say of the type of immigrant that they wanted in this country. Somebody who comes here. Literally somebody who gets an education. Somebody who would join the military. Somebody who would go to war and then come back and become a police officer and continue to defend the nation and instead of saying thank you for your service, i am glad to have you here, they have not even sat down with myself, michael fanone, any of the officers who defended the capitol to say tell us about your experience and we are going to support you. When they say they support the police, that is a nice slogan. I don't buy it anymore. Because they support every officer except for capitol police. To protect the elected officials who were running for their lives, because the mom that their candidate, their leader sent to attack on january 6. That is infuriating that they have scapegoated the immigrants, myself included. Michael, i've got to know you a little bit over the past few years. We have talked a bit and i want to ask about this idea that i think is a little bit insidious that only out of touch elites care about defending democracy. You are from maryland. You live in a rural area, a fairly conservative area. You were a baltimore police officer for years and worked undercover as a detective at one point. I wonder what you think about that idea that real people don't care about that stuff and this is some concern of cloistered elites. No disrespect to baltimore city police, but i was a d. C. Police officer. Oh, i am sorry. Listen, i don't know when i went to the capitol on january 6, the furthest thing from my mind was protecting democracy. I went to the capitol to support my fellow officers. Officers who were screaming distress calls over the radio because they were being assaulted by donald trump's supporters. In the aftermath of january 6, obviously i've come to understand better whatever democracy is. What it takes to sustain and then they think many americans have been educated in the aftermath of january 6 about how fragile democracy is. Liz cheney talked about it in her speech this evening about how democracy is something that each generation will have to ante up and kick in and i think this moment is our generation's moment in which we now recognize this threat posed by donald trump. An insurrectionist candidate for president and his supporters, who are insurrectionist members of congress and insurrectionist members of the republican party. And how much of a threat they posed where democracy and i think americans are going to rise to the occasion and they are going to deliver him a defeat on november 5. Thank you, michael, for correcting me and apologies for stealing your valor in their favor. Go ahead, and one thing that a lot of people need to get straight, wanting the former president for his interference in the transfer of power in the last election does not equate to interference in the next one. At the end of the day he himself has been the one trying to delay the process of holding him accountable through the court system. You know, it is up to all of us, the voters, to repudiate that type of violence, behavior and conduct for anybody, any candidate. We should do everything possible and that is why we do what we do, working with courage for america to hold and spread the word that this political rhetoric should be not accepted. Sergeant aquilino gonell, officer michael fanone, thank you gentlemen, both. I appreciate your time tonight, thank you. Coming up, as donald trump keeps trying to dodge his trial, a republican official is sentenced almost a decade in prison for interfering in the 2020 election. That is next. Next. Into something we can see and hold. The fingerprints we leave behind show how determined we are to give the world a piece of ourselves. Etsy. (♪♪) “the darkness of bipolar depression made me feel like life was moving on without me. 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You are no hero, you abused your position and you are a charlatan who used and are still using your prior position in office to pedal snake oil that has been proven to be junk time and time again. In your world it is all about you, but at the bottom of this case it was about your corrupt conduct and no one is above the law. No one in this country has absolute power. You abdicated your position as a servant to the constitution and you chose you over all else. Yes, you are a charlatan and you cannot help but lie as easy as it is for you to breathe. You betrayed your oath for no one other than you and this is what makes you such a danger to our community. It is the position she held that has provided the pulpit from which she can preach these lies. The undermining of our democratic process. The undermining of the belief and confidence in our election systems. The damage is immeasurable. That sentencing comes a day after a federal judge in washington, d. C. Unsealed the lengthy briefs from the special counsel that we covered yesterday, laying out evidence as to why donald trump is not immune from prosecution for trying to steal the election. Today the judge gave donald trump an extension, saying he has until november 7, two days after the election, to file a response. Harry litman is a former u. S. Attorney for the western district of pennsylvania and he joins me now. I said to someone today that tina peters, poor woman didn't get herself elected president, so she had to face the law like everyone else. She actually ran for secretary of state, but she did allow that breach by an associate of mike lindell. What the judge is also referring to, she went all over the country and what is te

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