Donald trumps efforts to target what he calls trumps desperate attempt to stay in office. Where do things go from here . Plus, Kamala Harris appealing to republican sense of History And Tradition as she tries to convince them to cast their vote for her. How the Location Today and the woman who will be campaigning alongside her could help her make her case. Just hours ago, israel expanding Evacuation Warnings to nearly two dozen more towns across southern lebanon. How the people on both sides are now bracing for this wider war. A lot to get to. We start with Jack Smith. The Trial Wont be until after election day. To do that, Jack Smith has to convince the judge that trump was acting as a candidate, not the president , and orchestrated a criminal scheme to hold on to power meaning the Supreme Courts recent ruling on president ial immunity should not apply. The following is full of examples. Smith argues trumps conversations with Vice President pence were in their private capacity as Running Mates. That the gathering on January 6th was considered a Campaign Rally by trumps own staff. Not an official president ial event. At its core, trumps scheme was a private one with members of his own campaign playing a critical role. I want to bring in andrew wiceman, former general counsel, former senior member of the Mueller Probe and an msnbc legal analyst. Also with me, John Kasich who is an msnbc political Analyst And Vaughn hillyard with me onset. Do you think the charges are enough to keep the charges intact . What is remarkable, even with the supreme Court Ruling that knocked out all evidence that was plainly official conduct where it couldnt be rebutted to show that it was being taken on behalf of a candidate, there is still just unbelievably strong evidence. My takeaway from this brief is that if Donald Trump is not elected president , and so, obviously, if he wins the election he will have his Department Of Justice dismiss this case. If he is not elected, this case is going to go forward. The Level And Quantity of proof from all sorts of sources, mostly from within his own campaign and his own lawyers up to and including his own Vice President ial candidate is replete. So theres very, very strong evidence that is recounted in this compendium by Jack Smith. The filing has details about what trump himself supposedly said. For example, he told family members, quote, it doesnt matter if you would have been or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell. Whats the value of including statements like that . So what is different in this brief that we didnt have as much in the January 6th committee hearings is direct statements, direct evidence with people who were speaking to the president and also, heard what the president had to say. So you have direct admissions. And will there are two pieces of that. One, its plain that he is speaking as a candidate. And frankly, for all the viewers out there, of course he is. He was interested in being reelected. That was his primary motivation. And that was the reason he did a whole slew of things. One really interesting vignette to that is an important meeting with Rudy Giuliani who was acting as his counsel. Donald trump kicked his official counsel out of the meeting. So if there is anything to show that it is not an official discussion, that is a wonderful vignette that Judge Smith latches on to. So here you have both really strong evidence that the president was acting as a candidate to try to win the election in spite of the fact that the votes were against him. Thats the criminal conspiracy. And you have really strong evidence if and when this goes to trial of his mens rea, his mental state that he didnt care whether he won or lost. He was going to stay. It didnt matter what the facts were. Thats the Donald Trump that we all know very well. Facts do not matter in earth two. So a couple other examples. The filing describes trump being told on January 6th that Mike Pence had to be evacuated and trumps response was, so what . Pence himself told trump at least five times theres no evidence of voter fraud. The details are new but this is frankly the Donald Trump most americans already know. So politically speaking, im really interested in those Middle Of The Road voters who may still go either way. Does this move the needle . You know, perhaps a little bit, chris. Look. People are dug in. And there are going to be republicans who say, hey, this was an October Surprise that dropped on him in order to change the election. It could fire up some of the base. On the other side, the democrats will be saying, see, we told you so. Where does it come out . It may come out marginally against trump but im not sure. When we talk about October Surprises, there is a couple things going on now that could be labeled as an October Surprise. One of them is the strike thats going on. The port strike. And you can see prices dramatically ramp up. I heard this morning that there are people now that are going to these stores, these Big Box Stores with palettes. Theyre not going down. Theyre going to go up. Is that an October Surprise . How about what is happening in the Middle East . There is so much changing over there and not just the invasion of lebanon. Gaza, the west bank, what will happen visavis iran. There is another thing that could come as an October Surprise. And thirdly, how about the storm . What is happening in North Carolina . Are people getting the help that they need . What will happen with Insurance Prices . So there are many things in this craziest crazy Election Year floating around that could be an October Surprise and this is just one of them. What will have the biggest impact . Hold. On well have to see. Yeah. Buckle up. Hes right. We were talking about this triple threat. Now you have this added in. What is the former president saying about this . His Social Media would say it is at the forefront of his mind. For Donald Trump, this is an issue that has followed him the last three and a half years. Lets be clear. Donald trump continues to say he won the 2020 election. In 2022 he was calling for a redo of the 2020 election. Lets Take A Look at this briefing. This was a weaponization of government. Thats why it was released 30 days before the election. And its nothing new in there, by the way. They rigged the election. I didnt rig the election. They rigged the election. To be clear, the d. C. Federal judge is the one who decided to release this redacted filing. His attorneys as the judicial system will play out, have the opportunity to file their own response over the next two weeks. Theyve requested five weeks to do that. Two, the Jack SmithImmunity Briefing that was filed publicly yefrltd so they will have the opportunity to do that. For the american public, this will come down to election day. Whether this case will ever see the light of day even if the judge rules that some of the conversations with Vice President pence are immune, this for the american public will be a decision on November 5th of whether this federal Election Case will go forward. Donald trump is making the very case that the fact that this case is proceeding in realtime amounts to Election Interference in its own self. Of course, the charges are for federal Election Interference. Any chance the Trump Team gets the extension . I think probably pretty good. This is a very lengthy brief. And i think that judge chutkan, remember, she come from a Defense Background as a defender and she has been very fair. Before she makes any ruling, she hears from both sides. I think that maybe she wont give them all that time. I wouldnt be surprised if she does. She is not trying to get things done before the election. She is just got a mandate from the Supreme Court as to what shes going to, what she has to do and she is sticking to that. I wouldnt be surprised if theyre given more time just given the length of the submission. Its interesting. You would think Donald Trump, if she really thought that he had either factual evidence or legal arguments to be made, that he would want to get that in before the election just as a political matter. It said his version would get out. He fought Tooth And Nail to not have this that was filed yesterday never see the light of day. Now that weve seen it, we understand why. Final thought, the evidence is coming from his own people. Its really important to remember that to sort of lay this on Jack Smith is really not fair. He is recounting what people said who are up to and including Donald Trumps own Vice President. The source of this information are republican loyalists to Donald Trump. Thats where the information is coming from. Yeah. Speak to that part of it, governor. I go back to his base is his base. Kamala Harriss Supporters are Kamala Harriss supporters. Were looking at depending on who you talk to, 2 to maybe 9 of the population that may still be willing to go one way or the other. This fact that all of these examples come from people who are within his circle all the way up to Vice PresidentMike Pence, does it have an impact there . Well, look, again, as to the undecided people, Theyll Look at this. As i mention these other issues, what the heck is happening with the strike. All of a sudden, they get impacted when they go to the store. The prices have gone through the roof. I told you earlier, i think people care most about the Pocket Book and also about the economy. Heres the issue, i think. Heres the issue that i think makes sense. There is great intensity of support. Maybe 15 . When it comes to harris, people may not be as dedicated to her as she would like but at the same time, democrats are going to vote. So youre going to have more democrats getting to the polls and supporting their nominee than Donald Trump is. So that has an impact in and of itself. The people who are undecided. Put it all together, flip a coin. The momentum is with harris but it is still early. Its early october. We have a whole month to go. Yeah. Suddenly 33 days. I cant believe how quickly it is coming. And man, a lot can happen in that period of time. Thank you so much. Up next, a surprising pilgrimage. Why Kamala Harris is visiting the Birth Place of the republican party. Who she is taking with her. Were back in 90 seconds. Were back in 90 Seconds Citis Industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries. And help a partner like the World Food Programme as they provide more than food to people in need. 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Com Hire Today in the Birth Place of the republican party, a member of one of the most storied families in Gop History will make an appearance in support of the democratic nominee for president. Liz Cheney Side by side with Kamala Harris for the first time, and the timing is notable. It follows prosecutor Jack Smiths new argument thats just being Donald Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. The very issue that pushed cheney to make the break. I dont believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates names, particularly in swing states. As a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the constitution, i have thought deeply about this. And because of the danger that Donald Trump poses, not only am i not voting for Donald Trump but i will be voting for Kamala Harris. Todays joint appearance is happening in cheneys Birth Place, wisconsin, where a new Poll Shows independent voters are just starting to dial into the race. Can she influence them to vote the way she will . Covering the event in wisconsin, Mark Mckinnon is a former adviser to george w. Bush and creator of the political documentary series, the circus. Welcome to both of you. Liz cheney isnt the only republican joining Kamala Harris today. There will be many others in a deep part of the state that went for trump by 26 points in 2020. Tell us whats going on there. Reporter we have the striking event where you will see a prominent republican Liz Cheney who was run out of office by former President Trump when they broke with him at the capitol. She will be campaigning with Vice President harris. Shes not the only republican the Harris Campaign is ruling out a number of republican endorsements that is part of an effort to court republican voters and independent voters will be critical. The Campaign Statement says in part, today over 20 republicans from all corners of wisconsin are coming together to put country over party and endorse Kamala Harris for president. Ive also been talking to people. It is known as the Birth Place of the grand old party, the republican party. Take a look at what i heard from some of the voters. The first is an independent voter. He was a veteran of the marine corp. The second one has voted republican in the past but is voting democrat. What do you think of Liz Cheney and Kamala Harris coming here together . I think that is a good sign. A sign of what . A sign that some republicans are going to vote democrat even though they disagree with the policy because they cant get on board with trump. Is it striking to you to see a republican and a democrat campaigning together . It is definitely different. Its something new to see. Seeing both parties together, where we need to be in the united states. Reporter why do you think that in. I think we need to get along. We need to get together and go forward. Not be divided so much. Reporter that last voter who said we shouldnt be divided as a country, he is a veteran of the marine corps. He