He led the process for Harrises Vp Choice and Coming Up first. Later i have been wanting to hit the trail with doug im half all summer and we talked about everything and even some fantasy football. Okay. I have been thinking a lot lately about that moment a few weeks ago and you remember The One. When Kamala Harris walked out on the Debate Stage and shook Donald Trumps hand. She was pretty aggressive and didnt wait for him and she literally leaned in into his face. I have been thinking about that moment because that image is an example of the campaign she has run pretty much since. Instead of ignoring issues where she is perceived to have a disadvantage, which, by the way every candidate does have, she is diving right into them. Take the economy. Time and again voters favor Donald Trump when it comes to the economy by the polls and as much as that bends your mind because he talks about tariffs which would raise costs for everybody and getting taxes for corporations which he loves to talk about that, that is how voters are feeling. Instead of hiding from the topic, she dove into it and she gave an economic Policy Speech in pittsburgh where she outlined plans to make investments in industries and talked about the middle class because of her own upbringing and we always want to hear more about it and she sat down to talk about it. You dont just throw around the idea of tariffs across the board and that is one of the problems with Donald Trump. And i say this frankly in all sincerity. He is not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. That is all an example of her lean in strategy. It may be working. Over the past few weeks, she has started to close the gap with folks on the economy and its a huge issue. But it isnt that issuer you see her strategy playing out. There is perhaps no issue that has been more challenging for democrats in terms of moving public opinion and immigration. It is challenging for harris specifically who has been pegged by critics like The Borders are inaccurate and as far as surges of migrants for the past two years which is absurd in this country has had a broken Immigration System for decades and long before harris was picked to be Joe Bidens Running Mate. And not to beat a dead horse but i will. It was trump who killed the bipartisan border deal. It wasnt Kamala Harris. Regardless of all of that, they consistently show immigration as a major weakness for democrats and for harris specifically. But the News Poll this month that shows 54 of registered borders voters think he would do a better job compared to 33 for harris. She wont make up that gap between now and november but making up some of it. Instead of running away from all of that, she literally went to The Border this week and on friday she visited a Border Town in arizona confronting this issue and used it as an opportunity to talk about things like this. As president i wont only bring back the Border Security Bill that Donald Trump tanked, but i will do more to secure our border. It was the strongest Border Security Bill we have seen in decades. It was endorsed by The Border patrol union. And it should be in effect today. But Donald Trump tanked it and picked up the phone and called some friends in congress and said stop the bill because he prefers to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. That right there i just talk through in you saw from the Vice President is a Textbook Example of flipping the script, of diving first into an Issue Or Headfirst where you have a Disadvantage Or Leaning in as i have talked about. It is safe to say that the willingness to be bold and aggressive and own her vulnerabilities the contrast with her opponent who had this to say or not to say about Mark Robinson this week. When you pull your support of Mark Robinson . I dont know the situation. It is hard to find a clear example of walking away from your problems than what we saw there. Come on. He knows the situation. Of course he does. He doesnt want to talk about it. He is running scared from a second debate consisting it is too late despite having debated around this proposed date in 2016 and 2020 and even the Fox News hosts are calling him out saying this week he thinks harris would agree to the Fox News debate in the holdup is Donald Trump. So he is too chicken to meet harris on a Debate Stage in and said instead goes back to a safe place resorting to attacks in the friendly confines of a campaign rally. Kamala is mentally impaired. Joe biden became mentally impaired and come all a was born that way. She was born that way. If you think about it, only a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen to our Country And Anybody would know that. That was gross. What we see right now is a candidate who leans in and not afraid to address and embrace the areas where she has skeptics and that is what leaders do and she has grounds to make up some things and a candidate shines a Lander And Lantern on vulnerabilities and another runs away from it who hides over and over again in his dark Comfort Zone in these nasty and racist attacks. Joining me now is eric holder, the chairman of the national democratic Redistricting Committee which is important doing important work right now and so much i want to talk to you about. It is great to see you. I want to start with when you know the Vice President very well, and we will show a photograph of you with Harris And Beau biden from 2013 which is a throwback photograph. I think a lot of us. myself included, are House Surprise she is as being aggressive. The moment leading up to the debate, she leaned into her perceived political disadvantages of being aggressive on the Trail And Hasnt surprised you or have we missed it until now . I have known her for almost 20 years. It doesnt surprise me at all. She is appropriately aggressive and unafraid and will do the kinds of things necessary to promote the interests of the american people and consistent with her professional career. I have known her since she was the da in san francisco, Attorney General, senator, Vice President. In each of those roles she has done nothing more than that which is best for the american people in bold in her approaches. She had success at every level at which she has served the american people and i do expect that if given the opportunity, she will do the same thing as president of the united states. One of the things that has shown up that i imagine is frustrating for being on the campaign is 28 of people who want to know more about the Vice President. It is a huge opportunity. I am not convinced theyre looking for and 85 Page Plan to be left on the doorstep that you have known her so well for this amount of time. What you wish people knew more about her that they dont digest or what they may not know yet given how the last few months of gone . That notion of we need to know more about her plans is befuddling in the sense that she laid out detailed plans on a variety of things, The Border, the economy. We do know about her history as a law enforcement officer. I think we know who and we should know who she is. I have gotten to know her, as i said over the course of the last two decades. She is compassionate, a person unafraid to use her convictions to come up with good policies and not afraid to take on the powers that be. When it came to the Mortgage Fraud Crisis she took on big banks and got billions of dollars of relief for california homeowners who had been defrauded by those banks. She is a person who stood for criminal justice reform. She is a warm person and funny. She is a great cook. She is a downed Earth Person who is a great public servant. She would be a great outstanding president of the united states. I do want to get your take on all of this. I gave my take on how trump is running away from his weaknesses and kind of using the same old tired attacks. You recently tweeted in this stood out to me, of course he wont debate again, three reasons. He got whipped, his campaign fears the more people see kamala the more they like her true in the more people see him the more they will realize he is in cognitive decline. We have been watching him a long time and expand on that. What do you observe and him right now that makes you think that . He has never been a master of the english language, but if you look back four years ago and eight years back, his sentences are shorter, they make less sense. His paragraphs are more garbled. He seems to be more out of touch with the questions asked of him and the way in which he formulates his responses just dont seem to be cogent. He doesnt have many Policy Positions that he would ever talk about. He just seems to me to be a person who seems to be a little bit more confused than perhaps he was four years ago. I am not saying he was spectacular four years ago or four years before that but even against those lowered standards, he doesnt seem to meet the standards, those lower standards he was judged by just a few weeks ago or years ago, he doesnt meet those. Not nearly enough attention to that garble and confusion. I played a clip where he called Kamala Harris quote mentally impaired and that is outrageous and it almost goes on to say it is nasty and part of this Projection But Part of this pattern for him is how i see it, going after women, women of color and in particular, in incredible demeaning terms. What you think it is all about . The Trump Playbook is when you dont have the specifics or you dont have the ammunition to actually go after somebody on their policies or go after them in a substantive way, you go back to eighth and ninth Grade Kind of stuff for you start to call people names and talk about mental Stability Or Inability to do certain things. I think it is both projection on his part but also an indication of, again, the cognitive decline where he doesnt have the ability to mount a substantive challenge to the person he is running against. I think that is something the american people need to take into consideration. Donald trump made a great deal of the cognitive abilities of joe biden. We now have the person on the republican side who is the oldest person ever to run for president of the united states. You have to think, if a this is where he is right now, where will he be three or four years from now and also take into consideration, well, if this guy for whatever reason cognitively doesnt make those four years, the person who would stand in his place would be Jd Vance. That is a truly frightening thing to have to consider. Speaking of, and you have played a number of many roles in your many decades of Public Service but you are in charge of the Vp Vetting Process and i spoke with Governor Walz a few times. He has been on television and people have gotten to know him and it seems like her pick has gone pretty well so far. What you expect to hear or want to hear during that debate on tuesday between Governor Walz and Jd Vance . I suspect that he will do better than Donald Trump did when he got whipped as i said in his debate. Jd vance of the person who, if a little strange, and more than a little weird he is disciplined. I do expect you will see him come out in that way and he will stick to his guns. He will try to deflect about the things he is talked about in terms of immigrants eating dogs and cats. He will try to somehow portray all of that Stuff And Pivot off of that and the things that are untrue but doing so in a disciplined way. I hope the american people will take that into consideration and Tim Walz, by contrast, is as genuine of a person i have come to know. He is a person who presents himself as he is, a person who is warm and caring and tells it like it is. That encapsulation is seen when you use the word weird. Pundits have came out to talk about ways to talk about the ticket. He didnt go through Focus Groups or things like that but he expressed that which he thought they were, which is weird. It was something that caught on. I think that is the example of who he is but be leery of Jd Vance. You will see a disciplined person there will try to run away from that which he has said and do it in a way that is couched in language that if you dont look for it may seem convincing. Remember that who he is or what he is said and the way in which he changed positions over the years. This is a guy who described Donald Trump and unbelievably unflattering ways who is now said that he would be a great president of the united states. He would not be a good Vice President. It is so interesting to hear you say this because i watched some of this past debate with Tim Ryan and the expectation is he will be a performer like trump and actually he is actually a more disciplined debater and interesting to watch. We will sneak in a break and thank you for sticking around, Attorney General holder. There is so many things i want to talk about. 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You have been an advocate for Voting Rights for people who want their voices heard and you have been an Attorney General. How should we take that . Do you think the apparatus out there is prepared for him to lament what he keeps saying on the trail . I think we absolutely have to take a messes word and he will Weapon Eyes the Department Of Justice to go after his political foes. What is frightening about this is a few things. He has project 2025 that lays out how they will do it. Beyond that, they have the experience they had for years when he was president. And they also now know its not only a question of who you will point is Attorney General but who the deputy Attorney General is or head of the criminal division or who serves as the united States Attorney or assistant united States Attorneys. They will use the doj to go after people who are their political foes. This is something that has never really happened in the history of this republic. That is something, by itself, that should disqualify him for being considered as president of the united states. No doubt it should, among many things that should disqualify him. You know well and you have been educating all of us, it is really about six or seven states that will really matter in the selection and may be plus or minus a few. There has been new reporting and i have been paying attention because this matters but this is a News Story about republicans filing a flurry of lawsuits and this one especially jumped out at me from having spend some time in pennsylvania and in montgomery county, The States third largest, they are seeking to enforce local officials to count ballots