Late for me. I have recently been diagnosed with parkinsons. You should point out he has not been criminally charged and paid bag the money but was named in a civil lawsuit filed by the state. We will continue to cover this story as it develops but for now, we are signing off. On that note, i wish you a very good night. From all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. Ill see you at The End of tomorrow. From a very special location. Good evening you can probably tell that i am not in our usual new York City studio tonight. Instead, we are coming to you live from lancings midtown Brewery Right here in the Batten Ground State of michigan. This is one of the crucial states that will decide who the next president is and both campaigns know it. Donald trump will be headed back to the detroit Metro Area just one week after he held a Town Hall in flint, michigan. Meanwhile, the Harris Walz Campaign is barn storming the state with a Bus Tour talking about reproductive freedom. The bus just rolled into town and well have more an that including an interview with an important person riding on the bus. It is an important time for the Harris Campaign in the state of michigan. Today a new Usa Today Poll finds Kamala Harris narrowly leading Donald Trump in this state by three points which is well within that Polls Margin of error. The poll also shows that 4 of voters remain undecided with just 42 days left until election day. The battle for michigan is likely to come down to a handful of votes. And a handful of key place. One of those in the Rust Belt Community of saginaw county. It is somewhat famous for how much of a Bellwether It is. This week, the Guardian Newspaper declared it the swing county. In 2016, Donald Trump won it by just 1 . Act A Thousand votes. Four years later Joe Biden won the county by 303 votes. Out of over 100,000 votes cast. Sag gnaw county makes up a huge portion of michigans eighth district. According to the cook political report, there are exactly 217 districts that are redder than michigan. And 217 districts that are bluer than michigans eight. So there are only a handful of places in this country where every individual vote matters as much as they do in saginaw county. I came to talk to a key constituency in a key Battleground State that both campaigns are trying to court. Union members. In 2020, 21 of those votes that decided the election in the state of michigan were from union households. One in five. President biden made them the focus of his campaign and the administration. The first president to walk a Picket Line in the state of michigan. He appointed judges and federal officials with strong track records. His covid Relief BillSaved Pension plans. Bidens chips and Science Act was a boon to Union Workers. Especially in states like michigan. Saginaw is an old Manufacturing Town where Union Workers are now working on projects that are a direct result of the chipping act. And Vice PresidentKamala Harris is hoping all of that focus from the biden administration is something that Union Workers remember on election day. She was hoping but she is not taking it for granted. Last week, one of the biggest unions in the country, the Teamsters International Union declined to endorse either candidate in the race while noting that nearly 60 of Rank And File members supported Donald Trump. So. To get a better sense of what is happening in this hotly, hotly contested state, among this critical group of voters, we went right down to Ground Zero and talked to a group of nearly 60 members of ua local 85. And Union Group of plumbers, Hvac Technicians at their Union Hall in saginaw county. We talked about the upcoming election, what might make them more decided. Even with so much of this election riding on their vote and two such diametrically opposed candidates to choose from, a lot of these folks remain up for grabs. There is a stark generational divide among Union Members but maybe not the kind you would expect. What you are about to hear is critical in understanding why this race remains so very close and why the outcome may not even be clear on election night. There is a fascinating complicated snapshot of the front line. Take a look. All right. So, by a show of hands, how many of you are paying close attention to this election . Okay. Im going to say thats like half the audience. Is anybody undecided . Okay. Im undecided because i just havent seen enough of it yet. I need to pay closer attention and do more independent research before i make my judgment. What have you caught of this campaign . New stories about the candidates have made it way to your Information Team . Not particularly. Just how people act around this time. It is a little crazy. So i try not to partake so much. Im supporting Kamala Harris because i have seen nine years of Donald Trump. We have to move our country forward. I think Kamala Harris, generation like that, younger than myself needs to start moving this country forward. Donald trump is pulling us backwards, not moving us forward. That is why i support Kamala Harris. Theres a lot of young people in this room. I see the policies Kamala Harris, the Infrastructure Act that has put most of these people back to work. Pretty much their entire career. At a good wage they can support their family and own a home and build generational wealth. President biden is the most pro Working President we have ever had. The only president to be on a Picket Line and support working families. Infrastructure bill. Time after time. Voting for the first time. Who is voting for the first time . Any issues or positions . Can you talk a little more about that . What about immigration have you been paying attention to . There are thousands an thousands of illegal immigrants coming across the border every day. And the Vice President has done minimal work to fix that. Based on what i have seen. So i would like that to change. Do you feel like Donald Trump will be better on that issue . Based on what we have seen on his first four years i do believe that he will be better on that. Yeah. Do you lean toward trump right now . Yes, maam. Is there anything that Vice President harris could do at this point to change your mind . Not particularly. No. Unless she changes her stance completely on fixing the border. No. This your first election . Yeah it is. Have you been paying attention to stuff . Some things. But as of right now, its kind of hard to know what is true and whats false. As far as both parties are concerned. What issue matters to you the most . Definitely our issues concerning democracy and what was discussed before the border. What about immigration concerns you . The influx in illegal immigration is affecting a lot more than just the people. But our economy. We are losing jobs for the people who live here. People are running out of work and in return, it is making life as a whole for the country harder. Do you feel like one candidate or the other is better on that issue . I dont know what to believe. From what im seeing from multiple News Outlets and what comes across my news feed. Im not super opinionuated either way. How do you think you will ultimately decide . One gentleman said i will go with my heart. The more i see and the more truth that comes out. Is that going to matter to you . It matters to me. It affects my pocketbook and my family . If the union doesnt endorse a candidate, and you are left, first of all, do you think you are going to vote . I am definitely going to vote . How are you going to make that decision . Literally, a game time call. I think so. Is it going to matter . It will matter. You guys talk about it . Yeah. Oh yeah. We will go back. We wanted to make our economy. Service economy. Manufacturing economy. People around the country. Chips acts going out here. Bidens chip act. They dont even know it yet. Do your research. Pull your head out of your ass. Reporter you saw that a number of veteran workers there. Who were strong supporters who saw there were a large number of Union Workers, particularly younger Union Workers who were undecided. And throughout our discussion, many of those undecided voters thought immigration and the southern border as a major concern. They were particularly motivated by concerns about the economy. Including inflation and the rising cost of housing. Housing is an issue. I just recently purchased a home. So yes i do think it is too high. Just the cost of a livable ready move in home now is absurd in my opinion. To where before i felt like you could buy a house for a reasonable price. And not have to have a ton of work put into it. I just recently purchased a house as well. And this house has gone up 50,000 in the past five years. So i mean, just looking at the past five years. Paying bills. A factor in this election. If you cant afford to buy a house and have your family food, nothing else matters. So as much as the undecided voters are unsure about the candidates, however undefined their Decision Making Process appears to be. You can see what issues are foremost in their minds in this critical swing county. Issues that have received a ton of Media Attention in this state. These are not the kinds of things these undecided voters were focused on. Do you have any idea about whats happening in Federal Court relating to Donald Trump. January 6th. So like, you have been talking about your level of interest. February 6th. I am not familiar with the charges being brought against him. Im not following that charge. Theres multimillion court cases. That doesnt sound like it will be a factor. When i say january 6th, what do you think . I just remember seeing it on the news. Dont really know what it was about. How did it make you feel when you saw it . I dont know. I dont know how i feel about it. People showed their emotion i guess. Probably in the wrong way. But it happens. Who here has been following the decisions from the Supreme Court . Raise your hand . Im seeing only a handful. Who here knows what the Dobbs Decision is . One person. Okay. Thats super interesting. What about abortion . Is that an issue that you think . I think its a womans right. Nobody should be able to dictate that at all. And what do you think is trumps position on abortion . I think he is antiisnt he . Yeah. He wants to control that . Yeah. Well, he wants. I dont think there is any business even talking about it. What about abortion . Reproductive choice. Is that something you guys think about . Is it something that concerns you . They meet in the middle. What do you mean by that . I think they go one too much one way and too much the other way. You think democrats are too open ended on i abortion and republicans are too restrictive in. Yep. What about you . Something you think about . Same as her. Something you think about . I dont have to. You dont have to . I dont really have an opinion on it. I havent looked into it or even thought about it really. Stories certainly matter to a considerable number of americans in general. But those stories are not necessarily the deciding factor for these elusive undecided voters. Especially undecided voters who dont get their news from Traditional Media and who may not even be particularly interested in current events. In general. For those voters, what matters the most is what may ultimately determine their vote. The conversations that happen within their community. In this case, that means fellow members of their union, of local 85 and the members who made up their mind and who understand the stakes of the 2024 election. You asked what are the issues that are important. The one thing that i said was honesty. And i think it really kind of ties together everything that people have been talking about here. You know . Believe the person you are listening to. I appreciate. Who are you going to trust . Look at the person. This is what i think of really ultimately needs to boy down for people undecided. If somebody has lied to you repeatedly, we were just, they were just mentioning covid. That was lie after lie after lie if you remember watching those Tv Press things every day when we were stuck at home by ourselves. Continually. How many times does someone need to lie to you. Kamala harris took an oath as a public servant. As a prosecutor, as a senator, who in my opinion has not lied to anybody. Vice president harris. How democracy should work, the freedom for women to choose. The freedom for everyone here to be able to work where they want. To do what they want. Im not going to lose my democracy over the price of a gallon of gas for the price of a loaf of bread. Democracy is too fragile. Anybody voting, if you are voting for a republican, you are supporting treason and traitors, thats all there is to it. We have much more ahead from the midtown Brewery Right here in the heart of downtown lancing. John faverau and Mallory McmooreHelp Me Unpack what is happening and what it all means in the crucial Battleground States in 2024. Thats all coming up next. husband we just want to have enough money for retirement. Wife And Travel to visit our grandchildren. Fisher Investments i understand. Thats why at Fisher Investments we start by getting to know each other. So i can learn about your family, lifestyle, goals and needs, allowing us to tailor your portfolio. wife what about commissionbased products . Fisher Investments we dont sell those. Were a fiduciary, obligated to act in your best interest. husband so how do your Management Fees work . 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