Reidout with joy reid. Tonight on the reidout trump and his running mate, they talk about, ooh, yeah, i do believe in the exception to save the mother's life. Okay, all right, let's break that down, shall we? so we're saying that we're going to create public policy that says that a doctor, a health care provider, will only kick in to give the care that somebody needs if they're about to die? a powerful speech on reproductive rights in georgia today from vice president kamala harris, following reports of the horrifying consequences of that state's abortion ban. Also tonight, the maga majority on the georgia election board orders the handcounting of the 5 million or so ballots that will be cast in november's election. Setting the stage for chaos, which they know trump might need to steal a victory in that state. Plus, there republicans' north carolina problem. Mark robinson, who allegedly professed to be a black nazi, and who women in the shower, is their candidate for governor. And now it's too late to take him off the ballot. But we begin tonight with the first day of inperson voting in the 2024 presidential election. That is right, y'all, it's happening today. Voters lined up in minnesota, south dakota, and virginia to cast their ballots. With more states to follow in the coming weeks. But with just 46 days to go, even as votes are already being cast, poll workers are being trained and ballots for overseas voters are in the mail right now, we're seeing something seemingly unprecedented and just downright alarming in the battleground state of georgia. An 11th hour attempt to essentially throw the november election into total disarray. Today, georgia's protrump majority election board passed a handful of new rules all of which serve no purpose. Other than to just delay certification and create chaos on election night. Including one that requires a hand count of all ballots, after polls close on november 5th. The protrump members were able to approve this rule despite the fact that officials tromall over the state were basically begging them not to. Including republicans, like secretary of state brad raffensperger and the state attorney general. Who said these rules, quote, very likely exceed the board's authority. A similar sentiment was shared by some of the people who actually have to do the hard work on election night and beyond, like election supervisors and poll workers. As the washington post reports, this rule requires the hand count to take place the night of the november election or the next day. But dozens of election officials said that would be physically impossible in all but the smallest counties. Many also said that it is far too late in the year to adopt new procedures. For which their staffs have not been trained and for which they have no funds. There's also the fact that research and practice have shown again and again that hand counting of ballots is less accurate than machine tallies. And that it can take days, weeks, or even months depending on the size of the jurisdiction. Remember the 2020 hand counted audit in maricopa county, arizona? that took more than two months. But perhaps that is the whole point of this lastminute rule making frenzy. Because this race is so close that delaying certification in georgia could potentially be enough to upend the entire election if it all comes down to which candidate obtains georgia's crucial 16 electoral votes. And frankly, at this point, i'm pretty sure that is what donald trump and his cronies in gres and on the supreme court are hoping for. Joining me now is michael steele, former rnc chairman, cohost of the weekend right here on msnbc, and host of the michael steele podcast. Lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent, and georgia political strategist. Thank you all for being here. Lisa, i'm going to start with you because this is the thing that keeps me up at night. The fear that some of these states and georgia being state number one with 16 electoral votes will simply refuse to certify the election at all. If they do that, what happens? if georgia refuses to certify the results, it works like a series of dominos from there. If the governor can't certify his state's electoral votes sorry, his state's votes, then he can't send a certification of ascertainment of the electoral votes to congress. His electors can't meet, theoretically, that could end as you specified in your setup, without georgia's 16 electoral votes being part of the denominator. Thanks to a new federal law, if georgia doesn't send those 16 votes, what happens is you take those 16 votes off the total. You delete them. Correct, you take it off the top, so if kamala harris were to have won the state of georgia and yet georgia can't send its electors to congress, what happens? they would delete her 16 electoral votes. Correct. Let's talk about how difficult and insane, actually, by the way, it is, the idea to hand count an entire state in two days. Is that even physically possible? i mean, it's absolutely possible, but it is ridiculous. It will delay the process, and its sole purpose is to sow seeds of chaos. The chaos is the point, the cruelty is the point. In a state where both major party candidates are statistically tied, and one of the parties is idealogically bankrupt and doesn't have the heart and the will of the people, that putting your thumb on the scale in this way will help them sort of insert their will for the will of the people. And that's what we're seeing right here. This is the politics of like cartoon smoke bombs, that there is a trusted system, an efficient system that in the 2020 the last presidential election, millions of ballots were cast. And with fidelity, we were able to determine that with less than 12,000 votes, the people of georgia voted for president biden. And so we have seen that. The big lie has not died. And it absolutely is informing these rule changes that were proposed by these maga republicans on georgia's election board. And again, the cruelty and the chaos is the point. And just to stay with you for a moment, this is about fulton county, right? fulton county is the largest county. It's the one that wouldn't be able to be counted in a day and a half because it's there biggest, atlanta, the atlanta suburbs. They could count them in marjorie taylor greene's county because it's a tiny small rural county. They could probably hand count theirs easily. This is about fulton county, about saying big heavily black county ain't going to decide this election. I would say it's about fulton county plus. If you would allow a friendly amendment. We have the black belt. There are 159 counties in georgia. Georgia has the second highest number of counties than any state in our country, which means that 159 counties that are resourced differently, that are staffed differently, and again, in a place like the rural black belt, where they have enjoyed a particular type of politics because of voter suppression, that this type of chaotic intervention with 46 days left is also designed to have an impact there as well, where we see rural white progressives and black voters. Michael steele, we got to talk about how your party got here. This is this is the old dixiecrat system. Let's be real. This is what the dixiecrats used to do, what fanny lue hamer was fighting when it was the southern democrats doing it. They have simply adopted anything possible, except trying to convince more voters that their policies are better. Anything but that. They would rather simply not deliver an election at all in their state than lose the election to the party that convinced more people. When you put up candidates like mark robinson and marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz, yeah, what else are you going to do? when you're morally, philosophically, and politically bankrupt, you cheat. You game the system. Which is why coming out of the '22 cycle, i and a few others were warning, making the case that you had to look at who just won those elections in 2022. Who won those elections in 2023 at the local level? because now, those folks are in position to do what we're seeing play out in georgia, and georgia is not the only place where this is going to occur. And i think we need to be aware that the goal here is to disrupt this process. And the process is to find by law in georgia now, is one that very much is designed to not allow for the certification or the ascertainment of those electors to be certified in the united states congress, to create, if you will, a situation with respect to those 16 electoral votes, maybe that's enough to throw the race into a tie, if kamala is up by 16 in the electoral college votes. So there's a lot here to take into account that matters now since voters are starting to vote. I want to just for our audience so you keep these dates in mind. People used to not know january 6th. They never knew it was a thing until donald trump made it into a thing. December 11th, that is the under federal law, that is the date where the executive of each state under the governor or another designated official must send official certified results to washington for the electoral college count. If that deadline is not met, it allows for an expedited appeals process in the courts that should be resolved after the electoral college meets. They meet on december 17th. How the courts rule will be considered conclusive. Here's where the problem comes in. The courts could theoretically include the supreme court. There is no mystery as to how john roberts and his friends will rule. They will hand whatever state it is to donald trump. The reason i know that is all of their actions have been strictly partisan so far, and how do i know trump is counting on that? here he is praising those very election board members during an atlanta rally who passed these rules. Here he is. I don't know if you have heard, but the georgia state election board is in a very positive way, this is a very positive thing, marjorie. They're on fire. They're doing a great job. Three members. Janice johnson, rick jefferies, and janell king, three people are all pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency, and victory. They're fighting. He called them out by name. He did. He's pretty proud of those folks. I want to say one thing, joy, which is michael was just referring to this as having the force of law. I want to add a friendly correction to that. It's not law. They're rules. In fact, the reason that secretary of state brad raffensperger, the attorney general of the state, are fighting against these is because they say that these rules are in fact contrary to existing state election statutes and exceed the board's authority as it exists under georgia statutory law. If they sue, if there's a lawsuit, where does this go, which circuit? right now, there's a lawsuit about two other rules passed last month. That will be tried on october 1st in a fulton county superior court and theoretically, up through the georgia state court system. You're right to say this could end at the united states supreme court. I want to read you something justice kavanaugh said. Running an election statewide is extraordinary, complicated and difficult. They require advanced preparation and provide legitical challenges. The supreme court knows how difficult it is to be in the position of these county election workers that came there today. Unfortunately, what justice kavanaugh said that in is a case where he's saying federal courts, you stay out of it. If a state has a law you don't like. You can't turn that over, too close to an election. That principle really does not apply to what the states themselves are doing, either through law or through rule making. It's unclear whether or not this precedent, this purcell principle, that attorney general carr, secretary of state raffensperger are referring to as the general eatose that you don't disrupt rules so close to an election, uncloor whether the supreme court has the courage to apply that general principle. It's not unclear to me. You're a lawyer, so i think you're more circumspect. It's not unclear to me. John roberts wants republicans in power. Mike steel, it goes further than that. Let's go to lindsey graham. Lindsey graham is from south carolina, last time i checked. He's in nebraska trying to convince them that they should call a special session to put forward legislation that would make nebraska winner take all instead of district by district because typically democrats win that one district in the one blue county. He's literally going, again, he did this in georgia before. Going in and telling them to give trump the election. Did not learn from the lesson in georgia, and here's the bottom line of why nebraska is important. Because they envision a world in which kamala harris gets 270, and donald trump is sitting at 269. Or some close number like that, so you take that one electoral vote, and you create a tie. Why is a tie important? because a tie then takes it and throws it into the house. So the senate doesn't have anything that it can ascertain or approve of. It has to then go to the house. Why is that important? everyone thinks oh, well, you know, hakeem jeffries could be the speaker of the house, and the democrats could very well take the house in a big number this year. Right? yep. But you don't have the congressional districts because that vote for the presidency is a vote by congressional districts and republicans have more congressional districts in the congress than democrats. And then that means donald trump would win. So the strategies at all levels here. It's all about stealing the election. They have more districts by design. You just heard it, they have all these districts in georgia. That's for a reason, because they don't want a bunch of big districts with people in them. They want tiny districts where the republicans are. Thank you very much. Vote, vote, volt, because the cure for this is more voting. Big, big, big wins. You have to make sure these wins are decisive because otherwise you see what they're going to do. Coming up, kamala harris has made reproductive rights a key part of her campaign. Today, she held a rally focused on abortion rights in georgia after two deaths were linked to the sixweek abortion ban. That's not for sudden breathing problems. Dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. Tell your doctor right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. Tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain or a parasitic infection. 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San francisco has been through difficult times, but our hard work is paying off. Working together, we're building a better future for the city we all love. Ad paid for by reelect mayor london breed 2024. Financial disclosures are available at sfethics. Org. Earlier this week, i told you about two beautiful young women, candy miller and amber nicole thurman, vibrant young moms from georgia who died preventable deaths all because their state has one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country. Candy miller was left to die alone at home because she was too afraid to seek medical treatment as she suffered through a selfmanaged abortion. Amber nicole thurman went to a hospital but she was dismissed for 20 hours as she lay in excruciating pain because medical professionals were too afraid to help. Last night, amber's mom had this message for thousands of americans. I want y'all to know amber was not a statistic. She was loved. By a family, a strong family. And we would have done whatever to get my baby, our baby, the help that she needed. Vice president kamala harris met with the family of amber nicore thurman in michigan on thursday when they appeared at the unite america town hall hosted by oprah winfrey. Today, harris honored the lives of amber and others but she also laid their deaths squarely at the doorstep of donald trump and the six conservative republicans on the supreme court who helped expedite it. Amber's mother told me that the word preventable is over and over again in her head when she learned about how her child died. This is a health care crisis. This is a health care crisis. And donald trump is the architect of this crisis. He brags about overturning roe v. Wade. In his own words, quote, i did it and i'm proud to have done it, he says. He is proud. Proud that women are dying? proud that doctors and nurses could be thrown in prison for administering care. Proud that young women today have fewer rights than their mothers and grandmothers. How dare he? harris also took the time to give voice to the millions of american women who are navigating the same lonely persecuted path. One of those women was caitlin joshua, who lives in louisiana, which happens to have a near total abortion ban. Doctors refused to see her before 12 weeks because according to an official, too many women miscarry in that period and they didn't want to be held liable. It was then that she started having problems, while at the hospital she realized she was miscarrying but the hospital staff left her in the dark about what was happening and gave her no options. She went home, but when the pain and bleeding became so severe, she went to another hospital and was also refused care because they didn't want to be investigated for facilitating an abortion. Caitlin and her husband were left demoralized and angry by the experience. She had to mourn the loss, but thankfully she survived, but with little faith in the modern american medical system courtesy of donald trump. Caitlin joshua joins me now. She's traveling the country on behalf of the harris/walz campaign. Thank you so much for being here. I remember, recall your speech at the dnc, and then rereading your story, it was horrifying all over again. And i just want you to voice for people who don't understand, you know, how it feels to be a woman pregnant, you know you're pregnant, and you go to a clini