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Of
Amber Nicole Thurman
, which were also talking about in this hour. I am eager to hear that and that is important framing for this moment. Have a good show. Well, they got what they wanted. The 278yearolds, former republican president s who appointed the majority of republican supreme
Court Justice
s who overturned
Roe Versus Wade
got what they wanted. Sometimes when you get what you want, more things than you anticipate come with it. It is possible that the people who worked to elect george w. Bush to the presidency, a job for which is only qualification is that his father once had that job, knew that george w. Bush said he wanted to ban
Abortion In America
by overturning
Roe Versus Wade
but maybe they thought that would just never happen. Maybe president george w. Bush and the people working for him and supporting him thought that when he appointed
Samuel Alito
to the
Spring Court
maybe he was not choosing a republican supreme
Court Justice
who would overturn
Roe Versus Wade
. Previous republican supreme
Court Justice
s had refused to overturn
Roe Versus Wade
. George w. Bush had even more reason to think it possible that
John Roberts
would not overturn
Roe Versus Wade
when he appointed
John Roberts
to beef be chief justice. In fact,
John Roberts
voted to overturn
Roe Versus Wade
and assigned the writing of the opinion to
Samuel Alito
. The entire world knew that all three of general trumps supreme
Court Justice
s would overturn
Roe Versus Wade
because he said during his president
Ial Campaign
that he would only appoint justices who would overturn
Roe Versus Wade
. No other president ial candidate had ever said that. The standard
Campaign Line
from republicans about supreme
Court Justice
s before
Donald Trump
was that they had no
Litmus Test
. That was the phrase, no
Litmus Test
for supreme
Court Justice
s even though george w. Bush made it clear that he personally opposed
Roe Versus Wade
, he never said that it was a requirement for justices appointed by him to overturn
Roe Versus Wade
. That would just was
Donald Trump
s intemperate innovation and it won
Donald Trump
the
White House
because extreme antiabortion voters did not trust
Donald Trump
on abortion for very good reason. They heard the replay of his comments to
Howard Stern
about how disappointed he was in 1993 when his girlfriend told him she was pregnant with the child who would become his second daughter. Donald trump told
Howard Stern
that when he heard his girlfriend tell him this, this is what he said. You know at the time, it was like excuse me, what happened . Then i said what are we going to do about this . She said are you serious . The most beautiful day of our lives. I said oh great. But isnt that wonderful . What are we going to do about this . There are only two options. An abortion or a baby. Donald trump made it very clear on
Howard Stern
that he got the answer he did not want to hear. The girlfriend was going to have the baby. That is how she became the second mrs. Donald trump with the shortest tenure as a trump wife. We have no idea how
Donald Trump
felt when the third mrs. Donald trump broke the news to him that she was pregnant with his third son. Men in 20 states are not allowed to ask women, what are we going to do about this . When a woman tells them she is pregnant. Not anymore. Donald trump took that away. He took away that conversation from those people. Donald trump took away the rights that enabled him to say to his girlfriend, what are we going to do about this, when she was pregnant. Donald trump is telling american men, you dont get to have the option that i always had whenever anyone told me she was pregnant. Donald trump can say what are we going to do about this every single time. To a wife or girlfriend. And now, people are dying. Women are dying. The choices made by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
are now killing people. Propublica is now reporting about the death of a 28yearold woman in georgia who died because of what george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
did to her when they appointed those supreme
Court Justice
s. Anna
Nicole Thurman
was a 28 yearold
Medical Assistant
who was the mother of a sixyear old boy and the choices made by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
and the republican supreme
Court Justice
s and republican politicians in georgia, using the tools that those supreme
Court Justice
s gave them killed her. Propublica reports, in her final hours,
Amber Nicole Thurman
suffered from a
Grave Infection
that her suburban
Atlanta Hospital
was well equipped to treat. She had taken
Abortion Pills
and encountered a rare complication. She had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at the
Piedmont Henry Hospital
in need of
Routine Procedure
to clear it from her uterus, called at dilation an
D C
urettage, or dmc. Just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony with few exceptions. George w. Bush, in his silent retirement in texas, made that routine medical procedure a felony. Donald trump is proud to have overturned
Roe Versus Wade
in claiming he had nothing to do with making a
Routine Procedure
like a d and see a felony. Amber
Nicole Thurman
would be alive tonight if the
Supreme Court
had not handed the 2000 president ial election to george w. Bush. Without george w. Bushs appointees to the
Supreme Court
,
Amber Nicole Thurman
would be alive tonight. She would be a healthy, happy mother of her young son, who was forced by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
to attend his
Mothers Funeral
when i was six years old my mother had the same procedure
Amber Nicole Thurman
needed to live. My mother had given birth to five children but she kept going. She was trying to have a sister for her only daughter, trying for one more, and she suffered a miscarriage and she routinely had a
D C
at a hospital in boston because
D C
has nothing to do with abortion. None of the catholic nuns teaching me at my
Elementary School
then that my
Mother Shouldve
not had that procedure. Our beloved
Monsignor Brantley
know that when mothers and saint
Brendans Parish
had miscarriages that dr. Should give me whatever treatment they needed. Antiabortion catholic doctors perform that procedure routinely. There was not a single irish catholic politician in boston including the mayor and the
District Attorney
who ever tried to interfere with that medical procedure. Their sisters were having that procedure. Their daughters were having that procedure routinely and antiabortion boston because it has nothing to do with abortion, nothing. For a politician to interfere with that procedure, and killed killed my mother when i was six years old, whos going to tell that boy . Whos going to tell that sixyearold how his mother died and who is really responsible . The
D C
procedure was routine in many areas of the country long before abortion was legal. Outlawing that procedure is sheer madness, criminal madness, murderous madness. Outlawing the
D C
procedure is as insane as outlined in vitro fertilization, which antiabortion republicans want to do. Ivf has nothing to do with abortion but every republican, every single one of them in the united
States Senate Today
except for two, two women republican senators, they stood up, they voted against the bill to guarantee the legality of ivf in all 50 states. The bill required 60 votes to pass the
Senate Today
. It got 51. And 44 republicans playing politics with reproduction voted against it, and that was enough to kill the bill. That minority in the senate was enough to kill the bill, the will of the american people and the will of the united states senate. Donald trump insists that he personally is in favor of ivf but he did not order his
Vice President
ial
Candidate Senator
Jd Vance
to return to the
Senate Today
and vote for that bill. I think its unfortunate to someone myself who ran for president , i would try my best to be back for very important votes. I think
Kamala Harris
has had to be back to break ties throughout the last few years, changed her schedule, be there. Unfortunate that
Jd Vance
is not here to vote. I dont know if he is going to be but it appears that this will be a moment for them to really show that they stand by their words, and that is that they want to see ivf continue. Amber
Nicole Thurman
would be alive tonight if
Donald Trump
did not win the
Electoral College
in 2016. Donald trump increased the republican majority of the united states
Supreme Court
and started the
Clock Ticking
on
Amber Nicole Thurman
s life. They got what they wanted. George w. Bush and
Donald Trump
overturned
Roe Versus Wade
and now
Amber Nicole Thurman
is dead. The
Propublica Report
continues. Any doctor who violated the new
Georgia Law
could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison. Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her six yearold son. As doctors monitored her infection spreading, her
Blood Pressure
sinking in her organs beginning to fail thanks to george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
, for the very first time, american doctors believed that they were under a legal order made possible by the united states
Supreme Court
to watch a patients infection spread, to watch a womans
Blood Pressure
sink, to just watch her organs fail. Because george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
got what they wanted. George w. Bush and
Donald Trump
were not in the
Operating Room
to watch
Amber Nicole Thurman
die. None of these supreme
Court Justice
s whose decision forced her to die were there to watch their legal scholarship in action. None of the georgia republican politicians who wrote the law that killed
Amber Nicole Thurman
had to watch her die in the
Operating Room
under the sentence of death that they gave her. The doctors and the nurses who were trying to save her life working under a law that could send them to prison where the only people there to watch her die. Imagine what those doctors and nurses felt and what they feel tonight. The
Propublica Report
continues. It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then it was too late. The otherwise healthy 28year old
Medical Assistant
who had her sights set on
Nursing School
should not have died. When officials take community recently concluded the experts, including 10 doctors, deemed her case preventable and said the
Hospitals Delay
in performing the critical procedure had a large impact on her fatal outcome. The report does not mention
George W Bush
or
Samuel Alito
or
John Roberts
. The report does not mention
Donald Trump
or
Gossage Or Brett
Kavanaugh Or Amy
Coney Barrett
but there is no moral diagram of this crime against humanity that does not include all of those names. At the president ial debate with
Kamala Harris
that
Donald Trump
lost,
Donald Trump
praised the supreme
Court Justice
s who overturned
Roe Versus Wade
for their quote, his words, genius, heart, and strength. In fact, those justices are morally weak,
Heartless Fools
who got what they wanted. Of course both george w. Bush and
Donald Trump
were just playing politics with abortion when they were running for president but because they are both fools on the subject, what they did with their president ial power in overturning
Roe Versus Wade
has produced outcomes that truly neither one of them would have wanted shirley. We dont know if george w. Bush knows about the death of
Amber Nicole Thurman
. It seems unlikely that he would. But, it also seems likely that george w. Bush who i have never met, would have the
Human Capacity
to feel very badly about what happened to
Amber Nicole Thurman
and about her sixyearold son growing up without her mother. When it mattered, george w. Bush did not care at all what could happen in the lives of real people because of the way he played politics with abortion. It surely never crossed his mind who could die because of his political choices on abortion. We know for absolute certainty that
Donald Trump
is a publicly raging
Narcissistic Sociopath
utterly incapable of convincingly demonstrating the ability to feel sorry for anyone except himself. There actually is no public evidence that if you put
Donald Trump
in the
Operating Room
watching
Amber Nicole Thurman
die, that in that moment he would feel badly for anyone except himself for being forced to watch it. They got what they wanted. And as was predicted to them, and the country for 50 years, if they got what they wanted, people would die. Women would die. Mothers would die. We have no comment from george w. Bush tonight about how good he feels about getting what he wanted. No comment from george w. Bush about the death by judicial execution of
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a>, which were also talking about in this hour. I am eager to hear that and that is important framing for this moment. Have a good show. Well, they got what they wanted. The 278yearolds, former republican president s who appointed the majority of republican supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s who overturned
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> got what they wanted. Sometimes when you get what you want, more things than you anticipate come with it. It is possible that the people who worked to elect george w. Bush to the presidency, a job for which is only qualification is that his father once had that job, knew that george w. Bush said he wanted to ban
Abortion In America<\/a> by overturning
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> but maybe they thought that would just never happen. Maybe president george w. Bush and the people working for him and supporting him thought that when he appointed
Samuel Alito<\/a> to the
Spring Court<\/a> maybe he was not choosing a republican supreme
Court Justice<\/a> who would overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>. Previous republican supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s had refused to overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>. George w. Bush had even more reason to think it possible that
John Roberts<\/a> would not overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> when he appointed
John Roberts<\/a> to beef be chief justice. In fact,
John Roberts<\/a> voted to overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> and assigned the writing of the opinion to
Samuel Alito<\/a>. The entire world knew that all three of general trumps supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s would overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> because he said during his president
Ial Campaign<\/a> that he would only appoint justices who would overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>. No other president ial candidate had ever said that. The standard
Campaign Line<\/a> from republicans about supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s before
Donald Trump<\/a> was that they had no
Litmus Test<\/a>. That was the phrase, no
Litmus Test<\/a> for supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s even though george w. Bush made it clear that he personally opposed
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>, he never said that it was a requirement for justices appointed by him to overturn
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>. That would just was
Donald Trump<\/a>s intemperate innovation and it won
Donald Trump<\/a> the
White House<\/a> because extreme antiabortion voters did not trust
Donald Trump<\/a> on abortion for very good reason. They heard the replay of his comments to
Howard Stern<\/a> about how disappointed he was in 1993 when his girlfriend told him she was pregnant with the child who would become his second daughter. Donald trump told
Howard Stern<\/a> that when he heard his girlfriend tell him this, this is what he said. You know at the time, it was like excuse me, what happened . Then i said what are we going to do about this . She said are you serious . The most beautiful day of our lives. I said oh great. But isnt that wonderful . What are we going to do about this . There are only two options. An abortion or a baby. Donald trump made it very clear on
Howard Stern<\/a> that he got the answer he did not want to hear. The girlfriend was going to have the baby. That is how she became the second mrs. Donald trump with the shortest tenure as a trump wife. We have no idea how
Donald Trump<\/a> felt when the third mrs. Donald trump broke the news to him that she was pregnant with his third son. Men in 20 states are not allowed to ask women, what are we going to do about this . When a woman tells them she is pregnant. Not anymore. Donald trump took that away. He took away that conversation from those people. Donald trump took away the rights that enabled him to say to his girlfriend, what are we going to do about this, when she was pregnant. Donald trump is telling american men, you dont get to have the option that i always had whenever anyone told me she was pregnant. Donald trump can say what are we going to do about this every single time. To a wife or girlfriend. And now, people are dying. Women are dying. The choices made by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> are now killing people. Propublica is now reporting about the death of a 28yearold woman in georgia who died because of what george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> did to her when they appointed those supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s. Anna
Nicole Thurman<\/a> was a 28 yearold
Medical Assistant<\/a> who was the mother of a sixyear old boy and the choices made by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> and the republican supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s and republican politicians in georgia, using the tools that those supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s gave them killed her. Propublica reports, in her final hours,
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> suffered from a
Grave Infection<\/a> that her suburban
Atlanta Hospital<\/a> was well equipped to treat. She had taken
Abortion Pills<\/a> and encountered a rare complication. She had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at the
Piedmont Henry Hospital<\/a> in need of
Routine Procedure<\/a> to clear it from her uterus, called at dilation an
D C<\/a>urettage, or dmc. Just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony with few exceptions. George w. Bush, in his silent retirement in texas, made that routine medical procedure a felony. Donald trump is proud to have overturned
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> in claiming he had nothing to do with making a
Routine Procedure<\/a> like a d and see a felony. Amber
Nicole Thurman<\/a> would be alive tonight if the
Supreme Court<\/a> had not handed the 2000 president ial election to george w. Bush. Without george w. Bushs appointees to the
Supreme Court<\/a> ,
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> would be alive tonight. She would be a healthy, happy mother of her young son, who was forced by george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> to attend his
Mothers Funeral<\/a> when i was six years old my mother had the same procedure
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> needed to live. My mother had given birth to five children but she kept going. She was trying to have a sister for her only daughter, trying for one more, and she suffered a miscarriage and she routinely had a
D C<\/a> at a hospital in boston because
D C<\/a> has nothing to do with abortion. None of the catholic nuns teaching me at my
Elementary School<\/a> then that my
Mother Shouldve<\/a> not had that procedure. Our beloved
Monsignor Brantley<\/a> know that when mothers and saint
Brendans Parish<\/a> had miscarriages that dr. Should give me whatever treatment they needed. Antiabortion catholic doctors perform that procedure routinely. There was not a single irish catholic politician in boston including the mayor and the
District Attorney<\/a> who ever tried to interfere with that medical procedure. Their sisters were having that procedure. Their daughters were having that procedure routinely and antiabortion boston because it has nothing to do with abortion, nothing. For a politician to interfere with that procedure, and killed killed my mother when i was six years old, whos going to tell that boy . Whos going to tell that sixyearold how his mother died and who is really responsible . The
D C<\/a> procedure was routine in many areas of the country long before abortion was legal. Outlawing that procedure is sheer madness, criminal madness, murderous madness. Outlawing the
D C<\/a> procedure is as insane as outlined in vitro fertilization, which antiabortion republicans want to do. Ivf has nothing to do with abortion but every republican, every single one of them in the united
States Senate Today<\/a> except for two, two women republican senators, they stood up, they voted against the bill to guarantee the legality of ivf in all 50 states. The bill required 60 votes to pass the
Senate Today<\/a>. It got 51. And 44 republicans playing politics with reproduction voted against it, and that was enough to kill the bill. That minority in the senate was enough to kill the bill, the will of the american people and the will of the united states senate. Donald trump insists that he personally is in favor of ivf but he did not order his
Vice President<\/a> ial
Candidate Senator<\/a>
Jd Vance<\/a> to return to the
Senate Today<\/a> and vote for that bill. I think its unfortunate to someone myself who ran for president , i would try my best to be back for very important votes. I think
Kamala Harris<\/a> has had to be back to break ties throughout the last few years, changed her schedule, be there. Unfortunate that
Jd Vance<\/a> is not here to vote. I dont know if he is going to be but it appears that this will be a moment for them to really show that they stand by their words, and that is that they want to see ivf continue. Amber
Nicole Thurman<\/a> would be alive tonight if
Donald Trump<\/a> did not win the
Electoral College<\/a> in 2016. Donald trump increased the republican majority of the united states
Supreme Court<\/a> and started the
Clock Ticking<\/a> on
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a>s life. They got what they wanted. George w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> overturned
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> and now
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> is dead. The
Propublica Report<\/a> continues. Any doctor who violated the new
Georgia Law<\/a> could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison. Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her six yearold son. As doctors monitored her infection spreading, her
Blood Pressure<\/a> sinking in her organs beginning to fail thanks to george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a>, for the very first time, american doctors believed that they were under a legal order made possible by the united states
Supreme Court<\/a> to watch a patients infection spread, to watch a womans
Blood Pressure<\/a> sink, to just watch her organs fail. Because george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> got what they wanted. George w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> were not in the
Operating Room<\/a> to watch
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> die. None of these supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s whose decision forced her to die were there to watch their legal scholarship in action. None of the georgia republican politicians who wrote the law that killed
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> had to watch her die in the
Operating Room<\/a> under the sentence of death that they gave her. The doctors and the nurses who were trying to save her life working under a law that could send them to prison where the only people there to watch her die. Imagine what those doctors and nurses felt and what they feel tonight. The
Propublica Report<\/a> continues. It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then it was too late. The otherwise healthy 28year old
Medical Assistant<\/a> who had her sights set on
Nursing School<\/a> should not have died. When officials take community recently concluded the experts, including 10 doctors, deemed her case preventable and said the
Hospitals Delay<\/a> in performing the critical procedure had a large impact on her fatal outcome. The report does not mention
George W Bush<\/a> or
Samuel Alito<\/a> or
John Roberts<\/a>. The report does not mention
Donald Trump<\/a> or
Gossage Or Brett<\/a>
Kavanaugh Or Amy<\/a>
Coney Barrett<\/a> but there is no moral diagram of this crime against humanity that does not include all of those names. At the president ial debate with
Kamala Harris<\/a> that
Donald Trump<\/a> lost,
Donald Trump<\/a> praised the supreme
Court Justice<\/a>s who overturned
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> for their quote, his words, genius, heart, and strength. In fact, those justices are morally weak,
Heartless Fools<\/a> who got what they wanted. Of course both george w. Bush and
Donald Trump<\/a> were just playing politics with abortion when they were running for president but because they are both fools on the subject, what they did with their president ial power in overturning
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> has produced outcomes that truly neither one of them would have wanted shirley. We dont know if george w. Bush knows about the death of
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a>. It seems unlikely that he would. But, it also seems likely that george w. Bush who i have never met, would have the
Human Capacity<\/a> to feel very badly about what happened to
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> and about her sixyearold son growing up without her mother. When it mattered, george w. Bush did not care at all what could happen in the lives of real people because of the way he played politics with abortion. It surely never crossed his mind who could die because of his political choices on abortion. We know for absolute certainty that
Donald Trump<\/a> is a publicly raging
Narcissistic Sociopath<\/a> utterly incapable of convincingly demonstrating the ability to feel sorry for anyone except himself. There actually is no public evidence that if you put
Donald Trump<\/a> in the
Operating Room<\/a> watching
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a> die, that in that moment he would feel badly for anyone except himself for being forced to watch it. They got what they wanted. And as was predicted to them, and the country for 50 years, if they got what they wanted, people would die. Women would die. Mothers would die. We have no comment from george w. Bush tonight about how good he feels about getting what he wanted. No comment from george w. Bush about the death by judicial execution of
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a>. Now, tonight from
Donald Trump<\/a> about the death of
Amber Nicole Thurman<\/a>. Donald trump remains more concerned about the imaginary eating of cats and dogs than he does about a single
Woman Or Girl<\/a> who has been harmed or killed or forced to carry a child because of him. They got what they wanted. Today the
Vice President<\/a> of the united states said this. Understand what is happening in our country. Over 20 states have passed what i call
Trump Abortion<\/a> bands because i understand how we got here. The former
President Hand<\/a> picked three members of the united states
Supreme Court<\/a> with the intention they would undo the protections of roe v. Wade. They did as he intended and in state after state, laws have been passe
D C<\/a>riminalizing healthcare providers. I dont know if anyone here has heard most recently the stories out of georgia. Tragic story about a young woman who died because it appears the people who should have given her healthcare were afraid they would be criminalized after the
Dobbs Decision<\/a> came down. Laws that make no exception even for or incest which means you are telling the survivor of a crime of a violation to their body that they have no right to make a decision about what happens to the body next, which is a moral. An approach that does not take into account that most people i think agree you dont have to abandon your faith or deeply held beliefs to agree that government should not be telling her what to do with her body. If she chooses she will talk with her pastor, per priest, her rabbi, but it should not be the government or
Donald Trump<\/a> telling her what to do about her own body and her life. That is where i stand. We need to put back in place the protection of roe v. Wade and put that into law. We need to put back in place the protections of roe v. Wade and let an individual in consultation with her doctor, make the decision based on what she can determine because she is smart enough to know whats in her best interest instead of having her government tell her what to do, especially a bunch of people in the state capitals who think theyre in a better position to tell her what to do than she is to know whats in her best interest. Joining us there was michigan democratic
Party Chair<\/a> barnes. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. One thing i have been wondering about michigan voters is when
Donald Trump<\/a> lied to them in the debate and said that we all wanted
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> to be overturned, which is to say he was lying to michigan voters about themselves, in your discussions with michigan voters, did they catch that, that he was actually telling them that they really wanted this overturning of
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> which they did not want . They absolutely caught it because they did not want this and they did not want what happened to amber to happen to her. I moved, by the way. I want to say thank you to you for a powerful opening. You talk about your mother. I think about my daughter and my grand son and i think it michiganders think about the women in the people who can have babies that they love in the span and other state, if it becomes a national ban if we let
Donald Trump<\/a> and that
White House<\/a> all the
Work Weve<\/a> done in michigan to protect these rights for women will be gone and people like amber will be dying in all the states, and we have to make sure that we dont let that happen in the people of michigan understand that. People of michigan know
Donald Trump<\/a> is a liar. People of michigan know what
Donald Trump<\/a> is and what he will do if we let him back into the
White House<\/a> and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that doesnt happen. We say different issues compete for attention and are politics and some grab more prominence than others at different points in time but since the overturning of
Roe Versus Wade<\/a>, this one just keeps coming back and demands top attention and i always thought it would keep coming back because i always believed we would be getting these kinds of
Horror Stories<\/a> that force this issue back in front of people. That is absolutely true. Just like you said earlier, we said it. People were saying it for 50 years. If you
Rollback Roe<\/a> v. Wade women will die and that is exactly what is happening and what republicans dont seem to hear or care about is that the people of this country dont want that and theyve been very clear they dont want that. People of michigan came out in record numbers to say we believe that the women of michigan should have the right to reproductive
Health Care<\/a> and we are going to make sure they have it by putting it in our constitution. The fact that the maga republicans and
Donald Trump<\/a> dont listen to that, dont care about that is shocking to me and the fact that they dont care that womens lives are at stake every day now in the states where these bands are happening and will be at stake in every state if we have a national
Abortion Ban<\/a>. The fact that they dont care is shocking and heartbreaking. It makes me angry. It makes me sad, and it makes me scared. Donald trump knows it is a problem, which is why he at first tried to distance himself from overturning
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> and then decided to tell the lie, because he could not distance himself from it, that well wanted it, that everybody wanted it. Democrats and independents and republicans all wanted it overturned so
Donald Trump<\/a> understands, i believe, what a serious problem this is for him. Only a political problem. Thats exactly right. Hes got a way of noticing the political problems. He can tell when he is losing on an issue that he tries to backpedal and he makes up stories an
D C<\/a>laims that everybody this and everybody that. That is the way he handles himself. He knows he is wrong. He knows he is backed into a corner. This is the same place he went when he was going to pay for ivf for everyone. We all know that is not true. He will say whatever he thinks he needs to say because hes desperate to get back in the
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President Of The United States<\/a>. We know who he is. We know exactly who he is. And the republican senate will obviously vote to ban ivf. That is very clear. Very clear. Look at this
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Trump Side<\/a> about how theyre going to pay for ivf, they can do this today. This tells us exactly who they are and exactly what theyre going to do. Weve got to win the senate, weve got to win the u. S. House. Weve got to win the presidency. Democrats need to control everything to protect our rights to vote, or rights to love who we want to love in all of our rights we have worked so hard for us american. We have to protect them by electing democrats. Michigan
Democrat Lavora<\/a> barnes, thank you very much for this discussion. Yale history professor timothy snyder will join us next. Timothy snyder will join us next. Plus, its 360degree swivel hea
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President Harris<\/a> releasing some tweets tonight. The young mother from georgia should be alive today and it pursuing her dream of attending
Nursing School<\/a>. This is exactly what we feared when
Roe Versus Wade<\/a> was struck down in more than 20 states. Trump
Abortion Ban<\/a>s prevent doctors from providing basic medical care. She also wrote women are bleeding out in parking lots, losing their ability to ever have children again. Survivors of and incest are being told they cannot make decisions about what happens next to their bodies and now, women are dying. These are the consequences of
Donald Trump<\/a>s actions. In another post she said this is there is so much at stake in this election including restoring the freedoms that have been taken away from us. If
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On Freedom<\/a>. It is out today, and professor snyder, what
Kamala Harris<\/a> is writing here about this issue, as a matter of freedom, is directly related to what you are writing about in this book. Yes, in a very fundamental way because we tend to think that freedom is just about one persons individual but freedom is actually about recognizing other people and their predicaments and how their predicaments can inform our own. The problem underneath all of this is that men wont take seriously the very specific bodily predicaments that women have and when they dont do that, they not only deny
Women Freedom<\/a> but they fail to understand what
Freedom Means<\/a>, but in her words here you have both freedom and the sense of government should not be making us do things but also something broader, which is that government should be enabling care like healthcare, which allows us to keep living and to have more choices into the future. It seems like both sides in this campaign are trying to claim freedom as a guidepost for them. But, there are real differences on what they mean. I think is understandable because the classic way americans talk about freedom is negative freedom, just get the government off your back in the libertarian part of the republicans goes in that direction, small government, dysfunctional government, maybe no government like our oligarchical things. The democrats are picking up
On Freedom<\/a> first and that negative sense, keep the government off our backs but once they start using the word it also starts to blend into wait a minute, sometimes you need government to do things for you so you can be more free and that is correct. Freedom is individual in its effect but it is cooperative and its causes. We actually have to work together to create it. How does, for example, the freedom to attend a public kindergarten without getting shot interact with the freedom to bear arms . One of those things that is just much more important than the other. Freedom is a finely about the good things in the world,
The Virtues<\/a> kindness, generosity, honesty, beauty and loyalty. Each of us puts those things together in a different way. What government is there to do is help us to become the kind of people who can do things like that which means collective things like kindergarten, healthcare, schools. That is what makes us free. That is what allows us to become free people. The ability to carry a
Health Hazard<\/a> with you does not fit into that picture. It is too disruptive for too many other people. In order for us to be free, we cant be afraid all the time and the people who want us not to be free want us to live in anxiety and that is part of the story, too. You and i are old enough to remember when the freedom to smoke a cigarette was everywhere, including on every airplane and at a certain point, the freedom of people on that airplane to breathe better air became the dominant freedom, the freedom that one we seem to be living now in a world without complaint of the outcome of those two contested freedoms, the right to smoke versus the right to breathe. We could always smoke on your own if you want to. Any serious discussion of freedom has to be about you as well as me. Freedom for me has to include freedom for you. Anything i do with my body that affects your body we have to be able to talk about. We are going to squeeze in a break here. Your back from ukraine. Your book examines freedom around the world, the loss of it, the building of freedom in different places. We are going to be right back with professor timothy snyder. With professor timothy snyder. This one is for you. Upset
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Terms Agenda<\/a> is not just about ukraine. Understand why the
European Allies<\/a> and our nato allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest
Military Alliance<\/a> the world has ever known, which is nato, and what we have done to preserve the ability of zelenskyy and the ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise, putin would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe starting with poland and why dont you tell the 800,000
Polish Americans<\/a> right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor that what you think of as friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. Professor timothy snyder is back with us. His new book is
On Freedom<\/a>. You are just back from ukraine. Youve been to poland during this war. What are the 800,000 polish american voters in
Pennsylvania Hearing<\/a> from the relatives that some of them still have in poland about the situation in ukraine and what it means to them . Their hearing mixed things. Theres a
Security Concern<\/a> obviously pulls care very much about ukrainian independence. At the same time, polls, as a remedy else, have mixed politics but the overwhelming story would be something like, we need to make sure that ukraine stays safe for our own interests, almost all polls understand that. Without the ukrainian buffer against putin, poland is threatened. It is true for all of us. Ukrainians, by fighting, make us all safer. We take it for granted but they are the ones preserving the order. They are the ones deterring. You is out there wondering right now, how does that make the united states safer thousands of miles away from that in the field. Profoundly. Our security and economic growth depends on the notion that
Orders Cant<\/a> be violated for crazy historical reasons. Our security depends on china not starting a big war in the pacific. China is deterred by russias difficulties in ukraine. Our security depends on the absence of
Nuclear War<\/a>. Ukrainians, by resisting a nuclear power, are holding back nuclear proliferation and most fundamentally, coming back to freedom, ukrainians are the ones who talk about freedom, take risks and mean it. If we let them go then we might as well stop pretending we care about freedom in general. Back to the
Nuclear War<\/a> threat. There are critics of the u. S. Policy in ukraine now who are saying that this increases the nuclear risk, the chances of a nuclear exchange. I think it is absolutely the opposite. If you have a nuclear power that successfully bluffs, which russia is trying to do, that creates incentives for everyone else to build weapons. If russia bluffs us, intimidates us with its nuclear weapons into changing our policy and wins in ukraine, that means all mediumsized powers build nuclear weapons because either youre going to use them to bluff or you are going to need them to resist a bluff and that mathematically makes the chances of
Nuclear War<\/a> much higher. Then the bluff is a version of the use of nuclear weapons. Yes, one or the other. They have chosen to bluff. That is the policy. From your book you say trumps
Big Lie<\/a> recalls both the fascist and the communist inheritance. It was like a communist
Party Line<\/a> and that people were meant to follow it despite all the evidence. They were to believe the manifestly contradictory, as in the communist tradition, but their
Belief Practices<\/a> were enabled by an underlying prejudice, as in practice. Racism was a foundation of
Donald Trump<\/a>s
Big Lie<\/a> an
D C<\/a>oup attempt. Neither made sense without the implicit understanding that black people were not really people in that black votes were not really votes. That is how it all works. We think about voting as an individual. You vote, i vote, but voting only really works if we understand it in terms of solidarity, we have to make it easy for other people, not find excuses to make it hard. The tradition of slavery into this country is merged into a tradition of
Voter Suppression<\/a> and when mr. Trump talks about the big cities, hes talking about the black people in the
Big Lie<\/a> works because nobody likes to lose but it also works because there are a lot of americans who still have a tendency to think well, maybe my vote shoul
D C<\/a>ount more than other peoples votes and we need to face up to that. The
Big Lie<\/a> does not work on its own. It works because of problems we all have and will have to get through for this to be a proper democracy. Yes, i had never seen that laid out so clearly is that. If they believe that black votes are not really votes then of course the democrat did not win. Exactly. That is what it comes down to. He is half saying the thing people want to be able
Want Permission<\/a> to be able to think. Going forward, the
Phrasing Of Freedom<\/a> by
Kamala Harris<\/a> is something we are hearing more and more. She had a statement recently about the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to breathe clean air, drink cleanair water. That is the
Freedom Language<\/a> you are suggesting is not just the right way to talk about it but conceptually correct. Politically, you can go down the middle and be interested because freedom is about values and that is conservative. Freedom requires institutions, and it is liberal because that is what freedom is, is about liberalism so you could be left, right, an
D C<\/a>enter at the same time but philosophically, freedom from
Government Oppression<\/a> is important because it enables freedom to become the kind of people we want to be and that means cooperation, the right kind of policy, so they are slowly moving toward what i think is the right idea, namely that
Freedom Means<\/a> the freedom to become all the wonderful things that we can be when we work together. Professor timothy snyder, thank you very much for joining us tonight. His new book is available now. It is an important read. Thank you very much. It is election day in pennsylvania, and we have some
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Representative Mandy Steele<\/a> representing district 33, which makes up the southern suburbs. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. So, the democrats are holding the house in pennsylvania by one seat, which seems, in its way, to be a preview of president ial
Election Night<\/a> in pennsylvania. Yes. The fact the democrats have been able to hold the house. Pennsylvania is the only state in the nation with a divided legislature. We have the democratcontrolled house in the republican controlled senate and that is so important because the democrats are moving legislation that want to people people want to see us moving. What is been your
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Kamala Harris<\/a> became the nominee . There is definitely excitement in the air, 100 , and you know, the people who live in the district that i represent, which is very purple and very middle america, very sweetly state here as you may have heard in pennsylvania we are moving legislation people care about. We passed a bill to protect a womans right to
Birth Control<\/a> and resend it out of the house on over to the republican controlled senate where it sits. It will continue to sit. They will not move it and it is a foreshadowing of what could happen if democrats lose control over the house. Under the leader of our extraordinary
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School Districts<\/a> and that is what people care about. These people that live here, they are smart and they are really tired of the divisive rhetoric that they are hearing from the trump campaign. They want to elect politicians that hear the man know them and listen to them and who are going to work really hard to protect their families and their communities and move us forward and that is what we are hearing from the democrats. That is what we represent in this election. Republicans in the united
States Senate Today<\/a> voted against making ivf legal in all 50 states guaranteeing that legality. Is that the kind of thing
Western Pennsylvania<\/a> voters are noticing . They certainly are. I hear it every day when i am out in the community, those are the kinds of things that people are really worried about and so they are engaged and excited by the kinds of things that democrats are accomplishing in pennsylvania and talking about nationally. Pennsylvania state
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Donald Trump<\/a> lies that have endangered the people in
School Children<\/a> in springfield, ohio. Its a crying shame. I mean, my heart breaks for this community. You know, there were children,
Elementary School<\/a> children who it was school photo day. You remember what thats like . Going to school on
Picture Day<\/a> . Who dressed up in their best, got already, knew what they were going to where the night before and had to be evacuated. Children. Children. The whole
Community Put<\/a> in fear. Vice
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Campaign Trail<\/a> with less than two months to go until the election. Heated political rhetoric,
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