Transcripts For MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240910 : comp

Transcripts For MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show 20240910

Thanksgiving dinner there. You know plenty of people could fit it's true i gotta say, having been in the mix for so many debates and so many different ways that you have worked, are you actually looking forward to it tomorrow or are you bracing yourself? both. I think i can't stop thinking about the fact that they have never met in person. And there's so many dynamics to i also as a fellow prepper, i admire that about the vice president. But it also means you need to prepare and then be agile, so i just think that will be interesting to watch. Re and how does she deal with the trump s of it all? so both, bracing and also interested. How about you? i mean, i feel like coming out f of the most consequential presidential debate that has everal happened in u. S. History. Every. Playing the odds means this should be a normal one, right? boring maybe. Nothingor about this campaig isbo boring or normal. I don't know. I feel like we're all just sort of ready for everything. Ready for anything. And we just, everybody has to get a good night's sleep and hydrate because it's going to be a long night. And coffee. But ready for everything is right. We don't know what's going to happen. I'll see you tomorrow. I' thank you very much, jen. Mu and thanks to you at home for t joining us this hour. Super happy to have you here. It is september 9th today. So you know what that means. Obviously, it means happy birthday, north korea. Hope you remember to get them something nice. North korea traces its founding to this date in 1948. N and so today was full of palpably terrified north korean citizens k marching through the streets dressed identically, doing synchronized things with flags andon banners all pledgin loyalty until death to the third generation of totaltearial dictators who have ruled that country since its founding in 1948. The cult of personality that undergirds the north korean dictatorship k involves the worship of the kim family as gods on earth. Today, on the occasion of north korea's birthday, the chinese president, xi jinping and the president of russia, vladimir putin, sent warm congratulations to north korea. Warm congratulations to jim jongun, praising his dictatorship, promising closing relations and cooperation in the future. And at some level, maybe the birthday card fromve china and russia for north korea makes sense. I mean, both china and russia do border north korea, all three of those countries are dictatorships of one kind or another. But china andd russia are kindf in different boats, right? b russia used to be communist, briefly tried on the idea of being a democracy, now under vladimir putin it's devolved into a variety of fascist dictatorship. Russia waging the largest land grab since world war ii. China is still communist. China is also huge, both population wise and inhu terms its economic and geopolitical influence. China, of course, is the global superpower besides the united states. Yeah, these are three dictatorships, two sending a birthday card tos, the third. T why are these two big swaggery countries, china and russia, kind of embarrassing themselves with this smallem fry, with thi weird little small fry, aligning themselves with honestly the freak show that isit north kore? north korea for decades has been in competition for the top spot globally as the strangest, most backward, most repressive place on epearth. North korea is known for its mass cultlike spectacles forced on a population that literally has been taught to worship its leaders as gods. They have been told that every time their dear leader goes golfing on every hole he gets a holehe in one. Ho and no, you're not allowed to laugh at that. A country where the dear leader brags about assassinating his relativesss using antiaircraft guns. A country now regularly floating balloons full of trash and poop into neighboring south korea because sure, why not, that's a thing that normal countries do. A country known equally for the mass starvation of its own people while its government committed massive, immeasurable resources into becoming a nuclear rogue state. E whose sole exports now are statesponsored cyber crime and weapons. To the other rogue states of the world. Rl north korea is tiny, very strange, backward. It is a geopolitical culdesac of aol country. It is the international epitome of ain pariah nation and for al the right reasons. And because of that, it says something a little unfortunate about these leaders of these two other very big countries, that they would bother to go kiss up to the north korean dictator today on theth birthday of that country. Why bother?un why do that? who on earth thinks that the murderous humty dumpty ridiculous totalitarian dictator of north korea needs love, needs international praise and sucking up toio him. Who thinks that? kim jongun, i got along great with him. I have a very good relationship with him. Different kind of a guy, but he probablygu thinks the same thin about me. Hihi we have a different kind of relationship. We have aen very good relationship. I g also say that, by the wa with respect to north korea. Kim jongun, who i have gotten to know extremely well, the first lady hasel gotten to know kim jongun and she would agree with me. He is a man with a country that has tremendous potential. I was really being tough and so was he. We go back and forth. And then we fell in love. Okay? no really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And they're great letters. We fell in love. But you know what, now, they'll say donald trump said they fell in love. How horrible. How horrible is that? so unpresidential. I think tat he really wants to do a great job for north korea. You trust him? i do trust him, yeah. I think he trusts me and i trust him. I like him, he likes me. I guess that's okay. Am i allowed to say that? what is the constituency for that in the united states? even at that really sweaty rally that he's doing there, like that rally full of his supporters and everything, he starts talking about falling in love with the north korean dictator, and his audience is like, yeah. Yeah? is it okay for me to say that i like him? we love each other, and all the trump people at the rally are ar like, you do we clap for this? what single person in the united states is like, you know what, what i'mu looking for in a politician is somebody who has the hots for the totalitarian dictator of north korea, the guy with the hair. He i'm looking for a politician who thinks that guy is awesome. Where do i get me an american president who tells people in his ownte administration in the united states that he really likes the wayat the dictator of north korea rules his country and he would like things to be more like that here? which donald trump did when he was president. I mean, who is this for? what domestic audience, what political audience and purpose does this serve? what is that about? in her recent book, autocracy inc. , anne applebaum argues that all these various dictators of every idealogical stripe, they all end upl supporting and praising each other. And helping each other. Because of mutual interest. Because nout matter what they a like individually, no matter what the system of government is in their country, whether they're left wing dictator or right wing dictators or just cuckoo for cocoa puffs, they all have a mutual interest in doing what they can to denigrate d democracy. Making sure the people wherever they are don't get big dreams or big ideas about rising up and replacing authoritarian systems with somear other more democrat form of government. O they all mutually no matter whao else you can say about them, they all want to stay in power. They want to accumulate as much wealth as possible and keep it for themselves and their families and they wantes to rul for life. They all have that in common, and so they formed kind of a club. They admire each other's tactics in repressing their own people and the opposition and the judiciaryon and the press. They copy each other's tactics. They support each other in doing those kinds of tactics whenever they tcan. And they support each other around the world. Sohe russia gives money to nicos maduro in venezuela, and xi jinping sends a love note to kim jongun on his country's c birthday, and zimbabwe and cuby vote in favor of russia taking crimea from ukraine. Why do you care? and viktor orban tries to stop europe from helping ukraine defend itself when it was invaded by russia. In and china helps russia wage that war, and what is the connection between all these very different kinds of countries all over the world? those areth all very different kinds ofal countries. But they are all led by rulers who are all interested in staying in power for life. And making sure that the people of those t countries never risep against the strong man form of leadership that keeps them under the boot. E so whatever differences may exist between them, whether they'retw communist or fascist, whether they're theocratic or they worship as a god on earth a short man with a terrible haircut who loves ham and cognac. They're all united no matter what else you can say about how different they are, they're wanting to do all they can to denigrate and discredit democracy wherever it exists. Particularly the united states america, which should not and cannot serve as a beacon for the world to aspire to democratic change. Theyc want no one anywhere to think it is possible, let alone desirable, to throw a strongman out. At the democratic national convention a few weeks ago, in her speech accepting the democratic party's presidential nomination, vice president kamala harris tried to explain the phenomenon like this. And know this. I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend our forces and our interests against iran and iranbacked terrorists. I will not cozy up to tyrants and dictators like kim jongun, who are rooting for trump. Who are rooting for trump. Because you know, they know. They know he is easy to manipulate with flattery and favors. They know trump won't hold autocrats accountable because he wants to be an autocrat himself. Because he wants to be an autocrat himself. I feel like a lot of different politicians havet pointed out w unseemly and how not in keeping it is with the entire rest of american history for a former president like trump, for a president like trump, to have praised dictators and sort of cozied up to dictators and said the dictators of the world were the people he liked best. Ake lot of people have pointed t unseemly, seemingly unamerican, creepy that is. Kamala harris is one of theee oy politicians who said the reason you're doing this is because you want what they have. Donald trump, you want to be an autocrat. That's why you praise these autocrats. And naming it is an important part of confronting it. And so tomorrow night, vice president harris and former president trump will face each other inll what may well be the only presidential debate we're going to getsi this year. The first one we had between trump and president joe biden, that ended up being effectively the most consequential debate in the united states for all the obviouste reasons. Nobody knows how consequential tomorrow dynight's debate will , but tens of thousands of americans will tune in to watch it, and everybody will be bracing to see what happens. But there is something happening in the campaign as we have as gotten closer and closer to that debate tomorrow. A debate for which kamala harris hasor signaled she's prepared a ready to call out donald trump for wanting to be an autocrat. And that is that as we have gotten a closer to that debate,s we have gotten sort of farther along in time from the democratic convention, the strongman stuff from trump has become more explicit and more gory. With almost each passing day. And you would expect that he would be trying to sort of moderate his image for the general raelection, right? you attack however hard right you need to tack for the primary campaign, but then once you're thet nominee, you tack back toward the center and try to reassure people any scary stuff they heard about you, don't believe it. A i'm actually sort of a centrist character who wants what's best for us all. That's the way you compain for president in this country. S not for donald trump. As we have gotten further along in the campaign, he's getting further and further out there in terms of what he's promising. And what he is joking about. Ok on friday, he started joking again about the man who broke into the home of former house speaker nancy pelosi and smashed her husband in the head with a hammer. Fracturing his skull. He has put that back in his repertoire as things he tells jokes about now. Now, he is doing that. D on saturday, he made a promise to a rally in wisconsin that when he gets back in office and starts mass deportations of millions of people, he said, he quote, getting them out will be a bloody story. Later that same night, he said in writing, that when he's back in office, there are going to g be, quote, long term prison sentences for his political enemies who said, quote, are going to be prosecuted at levels unfortunately never seen before in our country and who is going to be subject to the long prison sentences? quite the list. Lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and corrupt electionl officials. So among the people he's now targeting for long prison sentences are people who run e elections and people who donate money to candidates? yeah, everybody. Everybody is going to prison if he gets back in. He put that in writing. In the last couple weeks, trump has promoted social media images like these. Ai generated images showing people likema nancy pelosi and vice president harris and president biden and his son all locked up and in prison. And you know, wasn't that hilarious when the husband of that democratic politician had his skull fractured with a hammer?l isn't that a great laugh line for my rallies? tient we all laugh at that? and after he orders the u. S. Military to build his camps to hold millions of people, he promises what will happen then will be a, quote, bloody story. This is the direction that his campaign isdi taking as it gets deeper into campaign season, closer toai the first debate, a closer to election day. And, you know, on top of all the demonizing and gory fantasies he has been spewing about immigrants in particular, his vice presidential running mate jd vance along with his billionaire donor elon musk and his adviser stephen miller and republican politicians of every stripe has started boosting a bizarre conspiracy theory that immigrants t on top of everythi else trumpto has said about the according to the s republicans now,to they're stealing people' household pets and eating them. Which is insane. This is not true. Th but hey, once you're getting people riled up to do their worst, who among us thinks that a little fact checking is going to be enough to stop what you have started? this gross, even darker than usual turn from the republican nominee, comes at a very late moment in thea presidential campaign. And it comes at a time when something that we can't ignore is raising its head again in their political circles. And that, i can't even believe i have to say this, but it's part of the news cycle again from them. It's holocaust denial. And ith say it's come up from tm again because of e course, we h trump host a dinner for rapper kanye west after west said he was going deaf con3 on jewish people. Mr. Shwest's dinner companion w a selfavowed nazi with a large online following. We recently had a major point of awkwardness between the trump campaign and one of their largest donors. Remember when trump said the medal of honor was a bad thing because members of the military who receive that highest military honor we receive as a nation, they have usually been shot or killed in defense of their country by the time they receive that award? you remember the context of why he said that? the reason he said that, the riff that led him to that is because he was saying the medal of honor is bad compared with another medal that he said was better. Because the other medal he said was better was the one he had given to his billionaire donor miriam addleson. Why was he talking about the fact he gave it to her years ago? why was he bringing that up now on b the campaign trail? because he was trying to make nice to her. He had to make nice to her because he wants her money for the campaign again this year. Hi and he had to make something up to heret because a bunch of tex messages were leaked in which his running mate jd vance talks smack about mrs. Adelson and her husband. Those disparaging messages were leaked to the press by the person to whom jd vance sent the texts. This is a man who jd vance was texting with a lot. Including texting this man disparaging remarks about a famous jewish republican political donor. The man who jd vance was texting with about that, the guy who leaked the messages to the press, is himself most notorious for being a holocaust denier. And now, senator vance is due to go do a big public event with a former fox news host who just spoke at the rnc who then followed that up w with a big public vasing laudatory interview with yet another holocaust denier whom he praised as the best public historian in america. A man who says the united states fought on the wrong side in world war ii, that hitler was not the real bad guy in world war ii. That hitler has gone to heaven. And who has said it's a myth that the nazis ever really set out to kill the jews. It is astonishing that holocaust denial is not an accidental brush with this campaign but something that keeps coming up over and over and over again. And it's not just something that's like, impolite. It'smp really consequential, an it's really worrying that this is arr recurring thing in this presidential campaign. That this presidential campaign, that this presidential candidate keeps churning up new associations with holocaust deniers every fewho weeks or months. Because why do people do this? what ispl holocaust denial for? what purpose does it serve? holocaust deniers don't think there's been a big misunderstanding or there's been sort of some good faith mistake about whatd really happened in history. What holocaust deniers are contending is that a deliberate lie has been concocted to make us believe something thated isn actually true, to make us believe that the history we have been taught about, what happened in world war ii, is a hoax. A hoax perpetrated by the jews to make germany look bad when germany doesn't really deserve that. Es when hitler really wasn't so bad. Holocaust deniers say not only that the holocaust didn't really happen, but the myth of the holocaust was invented as a hoax to make nazism and fascism look back when really they're not bad at all, they're good. That's the first level implication of holocaust denial. It's not only a bad and dangerous thing because it's an overt effort to rehabilitate nazism andte fascism and white wash what f is bad about those things, a it's also bad becauset entails a conspiracy theory about the world today. Which ultimately demands that we get ridte of democracy and get ourselves a strongman government instead. Because holocaust denial isn't just, oh, i'm fuzzy on what really happened. It was a long time ago. Holocaust denial, particularly the kind being promoted by the guy who jd vance is about to appear with, this variety of holocaust denial is the contention that there is a conspiracy that is teaching you a lie, t that is trying to make you believe a myth about some bad thing having happened to th jewish people that didn't really happen, and why have you been taught this myth about a bad thing happening to the jewish people when it didn't really happen? well, that's the jews who

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