Transcripts For MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240908

Individual in our country who is as great a threat to our democracy as Donald Trump is. Meanwhile, Donald Trump spoke yesterday to the economic club of new York Childcare is childcare. Its something you have to have it. Childcare is childcare. Thats your solution to childcare . The tariffs he wants to put on china are not going to relieve the Childcare Issues. My vision of an Opportunity Economy is one where everyone can compete and have a real chance to succeed the vp was there to unveil a Tax Break Proposal for small businesses. Coupled with less red tape. Ive got to say that is a good idea. The debate is next tuesday. Sometimes we overhyped the debate. I think in this one it might be a little bit more to height yet. Certainly worth the height. Good evening once again. Im Stephanie Ruhle and we are now just 60 days away from the election and only four until the debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. This week both candidates were focused on a top issue for voters, the economy. Harris also picked up a major endorsement from former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney and today her father, former Vp Cheney said hes going to vote for harris as well. Can you believe that . Just take a moment. Dick cheney, remember cheney . Hes voting for Kamala Harris. With that lets bring in our nightcap because it is friday night. Steve Lisa Meadows here, cnbc senior Economics Reporter. Maya eaglin joins us, nbc digital Recorder And Host of stay tuned on the Snapchat And Weve got the rev here, reverend Al Sharpton Host of msnbcs Politics Nation and president of the national action network. And Pablo Torre joins us, espn analyst, host of the Pablo Torre finds out podcast and an msnbc contributor. But we must say, since the last time we saw pablo he has now been awarded the edward r. Murrow award, one of the highest honors for journalists. Brother to you. I knew you were going to say that. I lost my integrity and paid you to say that, stephanie, thank you. Rev, im definitely turning to you first because youre one of the first people she called when she made it official. Here we are, weve got two months to go. Whats your take on this race . I think its still very close but i think Dick Cheney is a Game Changer in the sense that he will give comfort to a lot of older moderate republicans, that she is not this crazed socialist that Donald Trump is trying to make her out to be. No one in that group and thats a large group of republicans believe that Dick Cheney would be supporting a socialist. I think this is a huge Game Changer today for Kamala Harris. Pablo, we heard this week, i dont even want to say economic proposals from both candidates, because we didnt, but Kamala Harris came out with a proposal for small businesses, making it easier to launch a small business. Less relation, a huge positive, a tax break. Donald trump gave a big presentation on economic policy at the New York economic club and there was no presentation. He was incoherent and he didnt actually offer anything. Had he said i dont think the federal government should be involved in childcare, that would be an answer we could debate. He didnt even do that, yet he still has a whole lot of support from some people in the business community. Whats your take on this . Is not a serious person and its disheartening that it may be takes Dick Cheney to remind us that if you care About an institution as a concept, whether an economic one or the country itself, you want someone who knows what they are doing and even a vague sense so the Business Part of this, steph, as we talked About for months now, people are of course motivated by Self Interest and in this case they still see trump as somebody who is a mobile, who is corruptible in the most literal sense, and thats the advantage that he offers. Now to me, the thing with what business, as your incentive suggests, is that youre playing some kind of game that other people can benefit from, and he just doesnt have your ability. He does not have the ability to articulate that, and shes an aging athlete. I come from sports. Ive seen it happen. Donald trump doesnt have it anymore, and hes rambling, and people are looking at him like is this entertaining. Will kind of but its not substance. Athlete is a tough one to swallow, with the exception of golf. The only time ive ever seen him play anything, there is video from the 80s of him on his Volleyball Court which i do not recommend you google. Whats your thought . I think this has turned into a little bit of a Policy Discussion around the election, rather than any discussion About Donald Trump dropping bombs, saying things we never heard for. [ inaudible ] maybe we shouldnt be and the bidding was as follows. It said Harris Hasnt talked to The Press. Hey, lets spend a moment on that because they suddenly realized The Press was a vital part of our democracy. Havent provided any details. She provided some details. All of a sudden now its kind of ricocheted back on the republicans that from has to provide details, so we are debating some things out there About policies that we werent debating before because we were so involved, either in the Horse Race or something like that. I think this is not a bad place to be, so i can take Donald Trumps tariff proposal, and i can put it into the machine, and i come up with the fact that hes proposing essentially one of the most regressive tax Cuts Tax hikes, right . Im going to have you say this again because it is not a Tax Cut. Walk us through, when you put the tariff you put the tariffs 10 overall, take out the part thats for china, which is 60 tariffs. It would be the biggest Tax Hike in history, the most regressive. He kept saying that these are not taxes, but they are taxes. It just raises the price of the goods. Its not necessarily inflationary in the initial aspects, but what happens is you get this spiral because i put a tariff on your good. You put a tariff on my good and then were off to the races. Remember what happened when trump was president and the terrace with china, and what did that end up doing . Crossing our farmers and we ended up having to give them a huge amount of money and aid. Ill take a second here to express my disappointment with the biden administration for continuing those tariffs. Im on the other side of that for both camps. Trump is in another league with what hes talking About. Kamala harris has been under a huge amount of pressure to provide details, as steve was just saying. We want to see your policies. We want to see your details. Shes had less than two months to do it. With the exception of tariffs, Donald Trump has been running for over two years and we dont have details on anything. Why does that double standard sit . You know i think thats an excellent question, stephanie. The one thing that ive been hearing from voters is this Frustration And Exhaustion with the back and forth, but i will say they are asking and have been really calling on harris to be explicit in some of her speeches. You hear protesters and shes addressing them in different ways depending on the events of that day. But i really think what they are asking her to do is tell them whats going to be different between her time in office and a biden presidency. So those are some of the answers that i think young voters especially, that we are hearing from, stay tuned, are asking and waiting to hear. Rev, here is the thing. People are complaining, say why dont we know her policy. Shes been in office for 3 1 2 years but shes been the vp. If you were the ceo of a company and i was your number two, it would be my job to execute your vision but it wouldnt be my vision, so shouldnt we be giving her some more time to formulate exactly what her new plan is going to be . Absolutely, and i think that its bogus because when you see shes already come with a different capital Gains Tax Raposo Van President biden. Which, by the way, is more moderate and more probusiness despite what republicans would have you think. Its much more moderate, much more probusiness, and it is a big difference then president bidens. So you are talking About her, who has come out with capital gains, who has talked About Child Tax credits and youre talking About Donald Trump, who couldnt even answer a question at the economic club About childcare. He said Childcare Is childcare and he went off. If Joe Biden had made this speech that Donald Trump made, wed be asking for the 25th Amendment to get him out of office. The man is unhinged. I agree, pablo, its an old saw that doesnt work anymore but it is that his head is not right, just something unhinged About him, and i think Dick Cheneys endorsement will blow him totally out of the water. We are grading on a curve. Why . Hold on. We are the media. We created a double standard and how we are covering them, when its our job to set the standard. Why are we doing it . Is it because we keep getting bullied that we are the liberal media . It doesnt make you liberal to call out a liar. It takes you a fact checker. Ill be blunt with you About it. Please do. Donald trumps chosen terrain that he likes to fight on his culture war. That is not a thing youre terribly wellversed in when it comes to policy, when it comes to tariffs, childcare legislation. He is a guy who is five based so hes advocating the idea that policy is even really the point when it comes to how he campaigns and when it comes to who do we need to remind us of this to be the guardrails on our democracy, okay, the cheney family. Ill take all of them, sure, but what About Mike Pence . Expense comes out and says i Cant Vote for the got. Just give me the counterargument, anybody in america, as to why Mike Pence is not a voice we should be looking at and being horrified by. This is just liberal, hes the Vice President. So without belaboring January 6 again, why is Mike Pence not the person that everybody says when it comes to the first sentence we hear About Donald Trump . That to me is just the biggest Blind Spot we have collectively About who is the canary in the whole mine. Its the guy with the effigies that were being Lit Aflame at the capitol building. Does the Team Cheney Endorsement put pressure on the likes of george w. Bush . I think it should and i think a lot of people will be asking that question but let me go back to the point that he made, and that is that when you have a Dick Cheney who ive marched on more than probably anybody, when you have Dick Cheney endorsing you guys got along great. I remember. The Culture Wars just took a real shot in the head for Donald Trump, because No One believes that Dick Cheney would be on the side of the but reverend, theyve been so effective that just canceling out anybody who opposes them, no matter what status they previously had. They become either a rino or whatever it is they call it. Theyre going to run out of that. You think so . You cant just name call all the way through. Im no fan of Dick Cheney. I wouldnt go hunting with him but you are dealing with the fact that all of these guys, you cannot ive been fishing some of the places he was fishing when he was at his undisclosed locations. You are saying there is going to be hard confessions. You are saying there is a mccarthy moment when you go to this point of at long last, senator, you have the decency. Im sorry to put you in a quote there but you get to the point where you cannot accuse the army anymore of being communist. And you look at the fact that look at him on the road. Trump is not throwing the crowds he used to draw. The passion is not there anymore and hes embarrassing people every time he comes out, which is why he has not come out often. Theyre talking About Kamala Harris ought to be doing interviews. The a to be doing more rallies. The guy was home labor day weekend, the kickoff of the serious part of the campaign. He made no appearances. Nobody notices that. Steve, you know this. Yesterday when he spoke at the New York economic club, that was not a low information voter venue, okay . That is all Wall Street Investment professionals in that audience and the fact that they sat through that and said nothing, or clapped, is humiliating, should be humiliating to each and every one of them. If i could get a list of the attendees, i would be standing at their door today. Right now i want to know howard levin, one of the most successful Wall Street guys, who was a proud to say hes endorsing Donald Trump, hes now part of his investment team. How is he answering for what trump said yesterday . How is John Paulson answering for it . For those guys, to the revs point, its humiliating every time trump opens his mouth. They just have to hide and go, i just want to be sure im never getting a Wealth Tax and the corporate Tax Cut is getting extended but its shameful that the guy answers the Childcare Question with Childcare Is childcare, marco rubio, ivanka. There wasnt even a verb in his sentence. Im not going to defend Donald Trump but what i could defend is the notion that there are concerns on that side there About the issue of how far do they go in terms of taxing business, About how far they go in terms of their regulatory structure against does this. They have not been in favor. Theyve worked against a lot of the mergers and acquisitions out there. They hate lenahan. They dont like lenahan. There is a long list of reasons why you would not support Kamala Harris on a policy basis. But youre positing something else. Four people who are running now, j. D. Vance, harris, Donald Trump and tim walz, of the four, you know who is the biggest fan of Lena Con . J. D. Vance. Im speechless. What i will say is this when it comes to policy, the republicans have always been deficient in their bench. They dont have reverend, you shouldve been an Economics Reporter during the perennial Infrastructure Week of the trump presidency. You get your notebook out. Youre ready to go. Nothing. Every week was the same one. There is no policy there. Whats interesting from the Harris Point of view is democrats do policy like they make pizza in some places here in New York. They just make it one after another. Theyre very good at the policy. But trump, republicans, very good at selling. Hes up there saying we are going to make america great. They are very good at that and hes very good at that but ive always thought if i had a policy i want the democrats to write it and the republicans to sell it. Heres the thing. The notion that Kamala Harris is so progressive, when you actually look at her policies, the current policies, they are not when she was running for president in 2020, her policies were more progressive. She was leaning to the left. She was moved to the center but whats extraordinary, when republicans or Wall Streeters who like to claim theyre not republican but they are, when they are saying shes so progressive, theyre not. What she is, is black, and she is a black woman, and they want to paint a picture because if shes a black woman, what could that mean . I guess shes all About lots of social programs and which she may be but the picture they are painting of her isnt rooted in fact, and look at the policies. And thats whats stunning to see highly educated people in Finance Rushing right past that and going, so progressive. I think at issue for young people is theyre not feeling any of this policy, right . They watch these speeches. They hear these wonderful words but they are still struggling to pay rent, deciding whether they are going to make a payment on their Student Loan or get their favorite brand of cereal at the grocery store. So i think its been really complicated what ive been hearing in my reporting, with stay tuned, is basically until the changes are felt it doesnt really feel like much is going to change. When you cant see that change in your daily life, here are these nice words, they sound great. These policies sound great the challenges that Young Americans are facing right now. We had a poll come out this week. 31 of voters under 30 rank inflation, Cost Of Living as their number one issue. Followed by that was 11 who said threats to democracy was a tough issue for them. Abortion, healthcare, crime and safety, the israel hamas war came after that. These are the issues that i think young voters are waiting for Harris And Trump to take strong, unwavering stances on, and weve heard some moderate stances from harris which i think confuses the ultra liberal, leftleaning Gen Z voters because they are like, wait a minute, fracking, i didnt think that was really what the Climate Movement is About. She recently has been talking About different topics that kind of seem to be swaying a little bit. You look at those issues, Kamala Harris was the one that had come out and said, yes, lets do Student Debt Loan forgiveness. It was trumps people in the Supreme Court that stopped it. It was a matter of communicating the issues they are concerned About, the price of groceries. It is trump that says bacon has gone higher because of the wind. I mean the wind. Literally said i couldnt make this up. Trump is saying im going to solve this by pumping oil when under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris we are pumping more oil than we ever have in u. S. History. I know im out of time but i just have to ask you. Donald trump now with this im going to have this Audit Czar and its going to be Elon Musk. Oh yeah. How much can elon Musk Hold on a second help Donald Trump with young voters because we talk About young voters like there is a Monolith But Trump is very focused on one group of young voters, and its white male brose, and Elon Musk is their patron saint. Its nihilism as you love that word. I just want to point out you happen to love that word. Its a big 2000 Point Font Word in the Word Cloud that is my life because it means nothing means anything, actually. I think when it comes to Gen Z, they feel hopeless in ways that i think are hard for the older generations to fully recognize because the institutions like i go back to institutions as well all the time, talking, they dont trust them and Elon Musk is nothing more than a guy who is of course himself just the embodiment, the embodiment of an archetype, an ancient archetype of institutional Wealth Cosplaying as a radical. The only thing he has in common with these boys sitting in their mothers basements playing Video Games is that neither one got dates in High School. Theres no similarities there. Hes just a boy. The memes, staff. Have you considered that vibes and memes might win this man the presidency . I got a. Nobody is going anywhere. When we return, next Weeks Debate between Harris And Trump. 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September Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump will faceoff for the first time on the debate stage. The last residential debate we had, pablo, was the most consequential in president ial history. It knocked a candidate out. How important is Tuesday Night . It feels like the Super Bowl , that whatever your Sporting Event of choice is, the thing you are preparing for this entire time. Its that and the good news is that Donald Trump has revealed, i believe, to show a complete lack of Impulse Control. So if you know that About your opponent, in the scouting process, steph, if you are rehearsing this and rehearsing this, i just wonder how you possibly prepare for the degree of chaos that is Donald Trump just talking and freewheeling. Hold on a minute. You can totally prepare for Donald Trump because he has had the same playbook since you met him four years ago. America knows everything there is to know About Donald Trump. Many, many people in this country know very little About Kamala Harris. So how much more is this an opportunity for Success Or Failure for her . Two things. She must show the contrast, that shes serious, and introduce herself as somebody serious that can run the country. Her presence, her persona needs to show leadership, and she needs to be prepared to throw him off his game, because hes coming as a performative person, because he has no content. She should knock him off his game. I was in the president ial primary debates when i ran into thousand four. Is you stick him right he will hes the kind of guy that Cant Handle Somebody sticking him. He will lose everything else. Maia, what are you looking out for . Youre talking About Gen Z voters, viewers, or they watching the debate . I think they are watching it but not in the traditional sense. Except for all the ones who watch msnbc. Of course, stephanie. A lot of people are streaming it, watching it on tiktok. You can scroll through. When you get enough of it you can pass on to your favorite tiktoker. Theres also this phenomenon called cowatching this happening on twitch. Im not sure if you all are familiar with that platform. You are nodding but theres no way you know what it is. I have daughters. They cowatch. They better be cowatching my show but thats fine. Some big political speakers on there for Gen Z now, is on piker, hossein arnie, hes got one of the largest channels. We spent two days with him in l. A. Well have that story in a few weeks. Were looking for that vital moment but also for the tangible policy, right . What is my life going to be like when this person is in office . I think people are watching, already having their minds made up, especially young voters. I dont think they were looking to be convinced to move to one side or the other. Both of them are good debaters. If you think About the republican primary in 2016, you actually watched the other candidates melt around Jeb Bush. Donald trump stood up there and Jeb Bush like disappeared. Chris christie was like The Little Mermaid losing their voice because Donald Trump stole it and Kamala Harris, shes a prosecutor. This is her jam. I agree with half of what the reverend says, and i want to go through that so that i understand it will. Our poll, reverend, shows that when we look at the undecided voters, they really dislike Donald Trump. They dislike Donald Trump more than the average voter does, which tells me that the half where you said Kamala Harris has to prove if shes serious enough to run the country, thats the thing i think she needs to concentrate on. I dont think people need additional reasons to dislike Donald Trump. I think they know what he is, and if they dislike him, they dislike him already. And the people who like him, after all of this time and all of these things that have happened, its going to be really hard to shake them from that. So i think Kamala Harris has to approach this debate with i need to give you folks out there who havent decided a reason to vote for me, not to dislike Donald Trump. I dont disagree with that but the reason why you take the shot at him is not to move the crowd. Its that he cant take a shot but hes a bully and if you come out there like boxing, if you hit him hard the first shot, hes off his game, and then you straighten your self up and say now this is who i am and why i am, while hes still reacting. And dealing with the fact shes threw him off his game. Pablo, what do you think . I think this is an opportunity to present has moderate for Kamala Harris. Were talking a lot About okay, how do you reach these undecided people who are not on either side of the edges, of this little conversation. I think Kamala Harris, look, when she picked tim walz, steph, why did she pick a coach . Why did she keep calling him coach . Its because shes trying to reach a giant segment of america that maybe isnt politically savvy but they want to recognize that person is not one of the leftists ive been told About. , harris, in contrast to Donald Trump, can present has moderate simply by being a normal, nonextreme psychopath. So to me, truly, i believe that Donald Trump, we can play this tape back later. Maybe ill be wrong. I believe ill be right. Donald trump is going to get off on a bunch of tangents and hes going to get hit in the nose, and hell litigate personal grievances because his Impulse Control reveals that he cares the most About, of course, himself and his bride. Kamala harris is a person going out there and saying to america, who do you want to fly this plane. You want this guy who has no ability to discipline himself or a reasonably sane, normal person who was not saying things that feel like wokeism or whatever it is that people are afraid of, the buzzwords, just being down the middle, moral politician person. I agree with that but i still think it has to be a positive message, a positive message About growth, a positive message About improving the nation. When Donald Trump its up there and he says this nation is a disaster, i dont understand why the democrats dont make more of that because thats just not the case and i dont think its the case for a lot of people. I do think people have struggled with inflation. I think theyve struggled with what happened with higher prices, but employment is doing well. Wage growth has been relatively positive. That is a vision of the country. Its an explanation of the country that doesnt comport with most Peoples View of the world but if she can give a positive vision, i think that would be something that might be one of the issues on inflation, steve, even though Wage Growth is outpacing inflation and has for quite some time, even if i have more money in my pocket, when i walk into the deli and the Sandwich Costs 15, i still walk out mad. So the data is on the side of positivity but the vibe is the problem and thats difficult. No matter what Donald Trump says or Kamala Harris say, and for me its the two beers and a burger is 30 Bucks now. Used to feel like it was 25 Bucks or 22 bucks, depending on how much you charge. You end up talking About that for the first 15 minutes you are sitting there. Donald trump talks About lowering inflation. I dont see anyway hes actually lowering the Price Level. Is not what Economist Or Anybody is trying to do right now. You promise whatever because you got held to account. Let me give America A Very Short Economics lesson. We love that. If you lower the Price Level that people pay you also lower income levels. The reason why we avoid, as a nation, the concept of deflation is because everything deflates on both sides of the ledger. The prices go down and your income goes down. Steve, you really know how to go to a party on a friday night, talking deflation. And i tell you, girls love it. A lesson i had to learn as a high School Debater was that youre not necessarily trying to win when it comes to the debate with Donald Trump. I dont think thats going to be, harriss concern. Shes going to have to win the heart and the mind of the judge, of the people watching at home, you probably cant keep up with steve. Ill be frank, steve, you did a great job explaining economics, as good as anybody possibly could in this setting but its going to glaze over for so many people. I worry About trying to come off and im guilty of this as the nihilism guy, trying to come off sounding smart as opposed to relatable. Can we cut out the Deflation Stuff . We cant cut it out. We dont allow pablo [ inaudible ] steve, one thing. No more economics. One advantage that she has, that she needs to use, is that he was the president. What happened in your four years . All that you talk About, you did not do, and you lead us into a prolonged pandemic that did not have to be that way because you wouldnt listen to the health experts. You told us to take bleach, which crashed the economy, and you shes not running against a guy that is an insurgent. You were the president. Half of the time that biden and i were in, if im Kamala Harris, we had to clean up the mess you gave us. Do the records show the reverend, when hes saying you didnt mean to me. Shes not running against perfection. 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Each person is a glass worker. We stood on some pretty broad shoulders to get to where we are today. This week at a High School in georgia, a teenager allegedly shot and killed two students and two teachers with, guess what, an Ar 15 style rifle. The tragedy has put Gun Violence at the forefront of the 2024 race in this final sprint to election day. The majority of americans already think it is too easy to get guns and they favor stricter gun laws. Could this be sort of like access to abortion, now finally being pushed into this election, possibly on ballots . Could the fact that this just happened this week actually make something happen, rev . I think it can. I think that particularly when you see that this young man had been already on in everybodys eyesight. Law enforcement had been warned. After he was warned his father bought him an Ar 15 and his father is being prosecuted. I mean how crazy is that, and you can drive that nail through the wood in the debate and going forward the next 60 days, that weve got to do something About guns. If im at the debate, im Kamala Harris, i say you got shot and you wont talk About guns. You, you got shot. Your ear. And youre standing here telling me that we shouldnt do anything About gun control, when you had a Guy Try to kill you and now youve got fathers giving their kids Ar 15s after they were warned. 14yearold child. I cant even. Maia, do you think violence could be an issue that pushes young voters to get out there and participate here . Just this week j. D. Vance is basically saying School Shootings, their effective life. They do not have to be. I think this fatigue is felt especially in young people. There is this feeling of where is safe if the school is not safe, if the Movie Theater is not safe . Where can i go and not have this paranoia . In our poll we found that 85 of voters under 30 say they are fearful About the possibility of Gun Violence in schools or in public places. So we did not grow up with that. Exactly. 1899, i guess it was columbine. Sorry to interrupt. I think people in Gen Z, we see that disparity and that difference and it feels very disheartening knowing that this is going to have longterm consequences on our generation. Delivering more people out to the polls, i certainly hope so. We are hearing from other young voters with our Safety Team that it is one of their top issues. Will it bring them to the Ballot Box if they are still going to have this concern . Theyve had it for the last 10 years. I think a lot of people think theyll have it for the next 10 years, too, unless there is some serious, serious change. What do you think About, pablo, the father of this alleged shooter getting charged . Remember earlier this year in michigan the parents of the shooter were found Hilty Of Involuntary Manslaughter for giving him the guns. Theres a whack a Mole Aspect to how we try and Cure A Uniquely American disease like Gun Violence. Just like look at how it compares globally, right . The father in this story, to me, its a Rabbit Hole of a psychological profile that we could get into. But my brain goes to the debate because, steph, we could talk About the human Interest Side of this endlessly. But to me, Gun Violence is a very easy offensive move to do a Judo Flip against because the answer when it comes to playing off of the fear of americans as well, thats why we need more security. Thats why we need more guns. So to me, the question actually goes back to business. White arent we holding Gun Manufacturers accountable . Right . Plaque. I want to talk About placket for a second. My Friend Jason Candor has sort of been an evangelist About this topic. Like if we treated Gun Manufacturers the way that we have treated every other corporation, tobacco, automobiles. Asbestos. How do we make change . Lawsuits. You hold people accountable in court and this is something that is not necessarily politicized by design. This is something, steph, that is About people versus corporations, not people versus political parties, not people against liberties. Dont we have data on this . Didnt we ban the Assault Weapons for a wild, and then the shootings went down . Before we go to work i do want to ask the rev this question now. This School Shooting happened at the same time as a whole bunch of states are looking to ban Cell Phones in schools. Do you think the fact that the shooting just happened and there are so many parents that are scared when their kids go to school every day, that are worried, that they want to make sure their kids can contact them in time of emergency . Do you think this could slow down this movement we are seeing to remove Cell Phones and devices from schools. I think it will slow it down. I think that people are now even more afraid and want to be able to call their kids. We saw parents there in georgia saying i was calling my kid, i was calling my kid, and the relief they got when the kid could answer the phone. Now you are going to take away the phones. Do you hear what he says . Not take away the guns. You are not going after the Gun Manufacturers. Youre going after the only way i can call mommy and say they are shooting. You will take away my call for help but youre going to leave the Gun Manufacturer untouched. I got. Everybody is staying put. When we come back, as steve said, weve got to find a positive. Its time for the mvps of the weekend guess what, there are a lot to choose from this week. The 11th Hour and the nightcap will be back in two. Two. 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