Okay. So yesterday, propublicas published tape, the president reads his donors an email that the first Liberty Institute got that from Justice Thomas. I got an email from Justice Thomass Wife and i want to read that. If you guys have filled the sales of many judges, i can just tell you thank you so so much. To really understand how inappropriate that email is from the wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice, you have to understand what it is that first Liberty Institute actually does. We are the nations largest Law Firm exclusively supporting religious liberty. We recently have won four Supreme Court cases. We win over 90 percent of our cases, which is unheard of in the legal world and at the Supreme Court, the record is 9 winds wins and zero losses. That is correct and the organization that she is thinking so profusely is a Law Firm that specializes in trying to change the law by bringing cases before the Supreme Court and you know, the court where the husband of ginni thomas, Clarence Thomas, is a sitting justice. Even if you dont know First Liberty by name, you may know some of the cases the group has brought before the High Court and they sued to strike down the state of Maine Banning using public funding and they represented that bakery in oregon whose donors refused to make a cake for a Samesex Wedding and they brought a big case opposing Vaccine Mandates for religious groups. All of those cases made their way to the Supreme Court and First Liberty won all of them. But it actually isnt the work she is praising and that email the First Liberty. She was thinking the group for their work on this kind of stuff. So now they are coming right out and saying it, political elites from the radical left want to overthrow the Supreme Court. How do they plan to go about this . By flooding the High Court with additional justices, enough cronies to gain the System And Pet political projects will win every time. In other words, by installing a permanent automatic majority. So what would you call it when there is an attempt to overthrow an entire branch of our government . Lets call it what it is, a Supreme Court coup. Where have we seen a coup like this before . Venezuela under hugo chavez. In the wake of the Supreme Courts numerous and recent scandals, many of which involved Clarence And Ginni thomas, First Liberty has been playing Defense Publishing articles and running ads and operating like a Pr Shop and they even made a website devoted to what they called the liberal Supreme Court coup. Amazingly, and in the recordings obtained by propublica, the President And Ceo of First Liberty said the quiet part out loud, explicitly saying that First Liberty is putting the court in public because the justices themselves cant do so on their own. Here is the first Liberty PresidentKelly Shackleford once again referencing a case were First Liberty defended a group of Navy Seals who didnt want to take the Covid Vaccine and he does that in a way of explaining what exactly 1st Liberty is doing for scandalous Supreme Court justices. It reminded me of the seals and when they know how to fight but they Cant Fight in court. And we came to them, they were so appreciative because youre doing something for them that they couldnt do. And these judges are that same thing. They cant go out into the clinical sphere and fight, and they know they are trying to protect the existence of the court. And so it is neat that you know those of you on the call are a part of protecting the future of our court, and they really appreciate it. Really appreciate it. That is the Group Ginni thomas is thinking for its work and a thank you email she said after she held a meeting with the first Liberty Staff , a staff of her group that is fighting for her husband, Clarence Thomas, in the Court Of Public Opinion and for a group that will undoubtedly continue to bring major law changing cases before her husband at the Supreme Court. The fact that ginni thomas and a conservative Activist Group like First Liberty or this cozy is a real problem both in theory and practice. The Supreme Court is supposed to be a neutral arbiter of the law but the reality is it is dominated by incredibly conservative justices with clear ideological agendas that may in fact be significantly influenced by outside conservative activists. Today, we did get a powerful reminder of why that really really matters right now. Today was the first hearing and former president trumps federal Election Interference Case since the Supreme Court granted trump limited immunity more than two months ago, the first hearing in nearly 11 months because the whole thing got put on pause while the Supreme Court deliberated. The first order of Business Today was for the prosecution and the defense to present their cases as to what can and cant still be charged Given Trump limited immunity. On that front, Judge Chutkan was candid. We are hardly sprinting to a finisher she said and we all know that whatever my ruling on immunity is, it is going to be appealed and the taking of that appeal will again stay this case. Judge chutkan knows that whatever she decides, it will all end up being appealed , very likely all the way up to the Supreme Court. The court where Clarence Thomas sits. The other issue before the Court Today was the argument before trumps lawyers that this entire case should be thrown out on the premise of the appointment of the special Counsel Jack Smith was unconstitutional. And to advance that argument from lawyers cited Who Else . Justice thomas and specifically they cited his note, i guess is what we will call it, in his immunity opinion which called into question the appointment of the special counsel and here is the trump lawyer. What i am saying is the court should consider this issue and Justice Thomas in effect directed us to raise this issue and suggested we do it immediately in that concurrence. Thomas directed you to do that . Well, i shouldnt say he absolutely said do it, but when you read that opinion, it is absolutely clear that that is something we have to do now to preserve this issue. Joining me now is the former assistant you as attorney for the Southern District Of New York and the former federal prosecutor and now a senior writer for politico and thank you both for being here. Clarence thomas indirectly and all of that and its clear that trumps lawyers paid attention to this. I want to talk a little bit about what unfolded in this courtroom today. The judge seemed incredibly resistant to the Argument Trump lawyers were making that handling this business before the election would be bad news. She said this court is not concert concerned with the electoral schedule. We are talking about the presidency of the united states. I am not talking about that i am talking about a four count Criminal Indictment she said. What do you think about that . She is resetting and making clear to the parties in the case and to the public that this case is just like any other and it will proceed according to the schedule that any other defendant would be entitled to or subject to. And she did repeatedly say that and made very clear that the Defense Counsel at that point that we shouldnt Rush To Judgment here. And from reporting from the court she chuckled and said, no, we are not rushing into anything and this has been over a year and tied up in litigation and in the superior court. I think she just made clear that we will do things the way we ordinarily do and not give special consideration and despite the involvement of Clarence Thomas. She sat a pretty tight schedule after the proceedings were over and as much as she said she isnt given by the election and the Case Isnt driven by the electoral calendar, the briefing on the Immunity Issue will be completed before the election. That is how it would be for any case is the happenstance of the calendar, not of the campaign or the election. Lets look at the calendar. The calendar for the Immunity Argument is September 10 turnover all required evidence and september 26, if you are following along at home that is a Data Mark on your calendar the deadline for the special counsel to submit their Opening Brief and October 17 is when trump can respond to the filing and October 29 is the deadline for the special counsel to file this. I need not remind us of november five and October 29 is the conclusion of what we expect to be an intense Back And Forth between these two teams and how much do you think we will see publicly of the information presented . That is the big question. You are exactly right for people to circle that day on my calendar and i did that this afternoon. I did it digitally so not literally but figuratively. You know, the government is prepared to submit a large body of evidence to the court including information concerning pled facts, those that are not alleged in the indictment. That submission could come with things like Grand Jury transcripts, Interview Summaries and documents from the discovery and they intend for it to be a robust presentation. A big caveat is whether or not the government decides believes it is appropriate to put some or even most of that information under seal which is something the government alluded to today. That process could get messy and i imagine Media Organizations would fight that effort and the judge may not go along with it. But she may very well agree. Ordinarily, Material Isnt supposed to be kept out of public dockets in public Court Proceedings except in narrow circumstances like classified information, issues that could replicate harm to witnesses or prejudice for ongoing investigations. It is clear to me from this afternoon that the government is treading lightly here and even though not explicitly is implicitly trying to be a little cautious headed into Election Day. So i am hopeful we will see a lot of new information, but we wont know until we get closer potentially on september 26. Do we read anything into the refusal to concede to the political realities of the day and a sign she may charge forward and say there are no exceptions or rare exceptions to keeping this under seal so i will make this Information Public . I do. At every turn she has signaled she isnt giving special dispensation to this particular criminal defendant. If she deems after she receives the briefing that it is necessary or important for this information to be made public, and that is assuming the government even tries to seal it, it is ultimately her decision. She will decide whether it should or shouldnt be sealed and whether she will have an evidentiary hearing. It is fully within her discretion. I think what she will do what she ordinarily would do days before the election. The other pieces whether or not Clarence Thomas thinks the special counsel should be taken off of the case entirely because he was unconstitutionally appointed which is the direction of Clarence Thomas to the trump legal team as the legal team would have it in the calendar for resolving that dispute is October 24 where Trumps Team submits its motion to dismiss and halloween the special counsel replies and november seven, two days after the election, lord knows what will be happening on that front and that is the deadline for Trumps Team to apply. The judge didnt seem to favor the notion that special Counsel Smith was unconstitutionally appointed and i think she believes she said she didnt find judge cannons call on this topic not particularly persuasive and is it unusual to have a Judge View Judge situation playing out in public view . Playing out at this high level . Yes. It is an unusual for District Court judges to disagree and in this issue it is unusual because eileen Cannons Decision was a real outlier and as Judge Chutkan pointed out during the hearing today, there is controlling Dc Opinion that finds her so even if she wanted to agree with Eileen Cannon and said it was unpersuasive she couldnt because she is bound by the dc circuits ruling and that isnt to say that the argument would eventually not carry the day after we go through some years long processes but Justice Thomas seems inclined to agree with that argument. For now, i dont expect the judge to give it much credence. She said something i have to ask. Judge chutkan seems resigned to the process that any decision she makes will be appealed and that is how he does it and is this all destined to land in the lap of the Supreme Court . Yes. It will and the question of how long and once the election is over, i guess that is the only if that if trump should win a second term then all bets are off and perhaps the case will be dismissed and in that event, it likely wont be appealed. But, you know, i think Judge Chutkan very squarely sees the issue for what it is and already said , she isnt setting a Trial Date because she does understand it will go up the circuit again to the Supreme Court so what is the point . There is no Trial Date. They will have to circle that in his calendar. He literally said the word years before the trial begins and it really feels like it is a faceoff or the beginning of a faceoff between the District Court judge, Judge Chutkan, and the conservative bench and the Supreme Court and we will see what happens there. Thank you for both taking the time and giving us the scoop. 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