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Transcripts For MSNBC Dateline 20240903

Steves attorney said the killing was a result of a Drug Deal gone wrong with carols neighbor jim knapp. Steve said he was told a similar story. Steve said somebody was communicating to him through the Ventilation System in the jail and told him a story about how a Drug Ring out of phoenix had been trying to collect money or seek some retribution against jim knapp for involvement in a prescription Drug Ring. The attorneys arranged for a meeting. Opportunity for steve to tell Law Enforcement what they heard so they could investigate it. They showed him the mysterious email. Listen to his reaction. The dna the Medical Examiner . There was more than the email to Go On. Remember the dna the Medical Examiner found under Carols Fingernail . Turned out it wasnt steves. Or jim naps. Police called the Dna Evidence Item 603. To the Investigator Robertson it didnt represented more. A became mr. 603. A Males Dna found mixed in with Carols Blood under the fingernails of her left hand. This wasnt a small amount of dna. A reasonable person would think this probably could have gotten there during an attack. Jim knapp, the Anonymous Email, mr. 603. Steves family and attorneys that investigators should focus on all of those things. Instead, it seemed to them, prosecutors had already made up their mind. Steve would Go On trial. Summer to talk dish 2010, two years after carol kennedys murder, American Flags were once again draped up around the press Get Townsquare in anticipation of the annual rodeo. June 3, inside the squares historic courthouse, County Attorney up and his case against Steve Democker. By taking of the reasons why, in his view, steve deserve to spend the rest of his natural life behind bars. By this time, pretrial legal rulings had taken the Death Penalty off the table although the attorney told The Jury, the case was no less condemning. I will ask you to found the defendant guilty of first degree premeditated murder. First he said, steve had motives, and not just the 6000 a month in alimony. No. Carol, said the prosecutor, was with a lot of money dead. The evidence will show that at the time of her death that Steven Democker was the Owner And Beneficiary of two Life Insurance policies. The total values of this Life Insurance policies was 750,000. Stephen carols daughters were in court sitting behind and supporting their father. Defense Investigator Robertson. To have your father accused of killing your mother and for them to not believe it, you cant imagine what that mustve done to how they view things. Its got to be a horrible experience. In his Opening Statement the Defense Attorney was quick to address that Life Insurance money. You will hear from katie and charlotte that their father told them from the beginning, this is your money from your mother. He signed over any interest to the girls. Thats what happened. The prosecutor called his first witness katie. Stephen carols elder daughter. Did she have a habit of thing she did when she came home from work . She did. She typically went for a run four days a week. To your recollection, did she leave the door unlocked . Yes. Unlocked door. Opportunity for the killer to enter and wait. Carols mother Ruth Kennedy had to relive that last Phone Call with her daughter. How did it end so abruptly . She told the Sheriffs Department Operator that carol had screamed oh, no. You just said that oh, no, certain way with certain emphasis. Was that the way she said it to your recollection . She said oh, no. Basically thats the way it came out. Did she scream it. It really was not a scream. Im sure it was because i was so rattled myself. She just said oh, no. Thats all she said. Basically, in that kind of voice like it was more dismay. This was difficult for ruth, as you can imagine. She was everything a mother would want in a daughter. She was a good mother. Charlotte was living with steve that summer. Was in his house the night of the murder when he was unreachable for five hours and said his Cell Phone was dead. Your father, did he have spare batteries with them . Sometimes in his car. Did he care them in his car and his briefcase . I dont know. Normally he was reachable by way of a Cell Phone . Yes. When he got home that night she saw those scratches. Suspicious according to the prosecution. Did you ask him about the scratches . I did. What did he say . He said they were from branches from ridings bike. Then charlottes former Boyfriend Jacob about the Golf Club cover. The Golf Sock that appeared in a photo in steves garage the night of the murder but was gone when detectives returned with another search warrant. The implication of course was that the cover for the club never found that killed carol. Jacob said after the detectives left, he talked to stay. What was that conversation . The Head Golf Club Sock Cover was found after they left. He said he found it . Yes. Did he say what he would do with it . He didnt know whether or not to turn it into the police give it to his lawyer. Implying that steve knew the Golf Sock could incriminate him and didnt know what to do with it. Just as the case seemed to be building momentum, two weeks into the trial, the judge left the bench at Lunch Break and suddenly collapsed. It was a brain tumor. Everybody waited for five weeks until a new judge was appointed so they could pick up a testimony where they left off. That is when the jurors finally get to hear what became of the missing golf cover. The detective showed it to the jurors and the judge explained a stipulation made by the attorney. It turned out days after Carols Murder, steve gave the Golf Sock to his ney who kept it in his locked office until steves arrest. That is when he turned it over to Law Enforcement. So, a curious case of the migrating Club Sock Attempt to cover a murder . Investigative dead end. Prosecutors were done. They next tried to tie steve to the Crime Scene. Didnt find any of his Dna Or Fingerprint at carols house. They did see the Tire Tracks. The criminalist compared it to the tires on steves bike. The tread on the tire is similar to the tread of the tire track. Did you found discernible differences between them . No, did not. The Shoe Prints. They brought an expert from the fbi. Did you find shoes comparable to the impressions you observed in these photos from the Crime Scene . Yes, i found one shoe that couldve made those impressions. He bought a pair those shoes two years before the murder. When detectives searched his house they didnt find any of those shoes. Intriguing but hardly proof. Prosecutors knew they had a big problem. The Anonymous Email leaking the murder not to steve but to jim knapp, illegal drugs. Even as the trial went on, the investigator was interviewing and reinterviewing witnesses including Steves Girlfriend. It was obvious to me she was protective of democker. Steve began dating her when he was separated from carol. They were together during the divorce, carols partner, his arrest. Ran a had always stood by steve and his family. She had the feeling. We were pretty convinced she knew more than she was telling us. Something else too. During the trial, she broke up with steve. On the eve of her testimony he interviewed her again about the Anonymous Email. What he discovered . Explosive is not too big of a word. Coming up. We were terrified. The email trail. Money trail. A winding trail of surprises was about to change this case. [ ] if youre only using facial moisturizer in the morning, did you know, the best time for Skin Renewal is at night . Olay retinol24 renews millions of Surface Skin cells while you sleep. Wake up to smoother, youngerlooking skin with olay retinol24. Donald trumps out for control, and he has a plan to get it. Detailed plans for exactly what our movement will do. 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Then renee broke it off with steve and he interviewed her one more time. And, remember the Anonymous Email that claimed Carols Murder was linked to an illegal Drug Ring . Oh, boy. She told me that mr. Democker had informed them during one of their inperson visits at the jail to bring some pencil and paper. There was glass between them. Mr. Democker had brought a document with him that he placed on the glass so they could view it. According to renee, steve wrote the document then asked his daughter charlotte just 17 at the time, to copy it down. Mr. Democker then asked them to send that document which became known as the Anonymous Email to mr. Sears and the prosecutors office. Mr. Sears was john sears, one of steves Defense Attorneys. His reasoning according to his Sister Sharon heard that story from the inmate in the Air Vent Conversation and desperately wanted to get the story out and investigated. The Death Penalty was still on the table. Steve was terrified. We were terrified. I can appreciate when youre terrified, maybe you do stupid things. Thats when you start making mistakes. That was a doozy of a mistake. And uncovering that Fraud Led investigators to what they thought was another even bigger one. Remember carols Life Insurance money, 750,000 worth . Steves Defense Attorney talked about it during his Opening Statement. He signed over any interest to the girls. Thats what happened. That statement caught the investigator by surprise. We have made contact with a Life Insurance company several times throughout the investigation, and we had been informed that the Life Insurance had not been paid out to anyone. So, had the insurance paid out or hadnt it . He took another look. A much harder look at the money trail. Not only was the insurance paid out but it was paid to the two daughters who then transferred it to several accounts including wire transfers to mr. Demockers parents account in New York and then wire transferred it back to mr. Demockers Defense Team. Remember Steve Democker is a highly paid financial adviser. The prosecutors believed he was using that expertise to try to get away with murder. Here is a person that murdered his exwife. Then collected her Life Insurance of over 750,000 and is using that Life Insurance to pay his Defense Team in the murder prosecution. So then, prosecutors added brought to the Charges Steve was facing, but fraud is certainly not what it was said the Defense Investigator rich robertson. These girls voluntarily on the rent believing in their fathers innocence, dedicated money that they inherited to defend him. How can that be . The girls decided to use that money for their dads defense. There was no fraud. The Insurance Company wouldve been the first one to say, weve got a problem here. Is that piling on in the part of the prosecution . The bigger issue for the defense said the investigator was a phony email. Email the attorneys presented in court as real because they too were duped by steve. The attorneys are in an awkward legal, ethical kind of posture. In relationship to their client. It created an untenable situation for the Defense Team. So untenable for these highly respected Defense Attorneys that no option they said, withdrew from the case. Seven months in, the judge was forced to declare a mistrial. We thought we were sprinting to the finish line. We thought steve would be home in time for thanksgiving. Suddenly, at the finish line, it moved to the horizon. Gut wrenching said katherine. It was so emotional. Not even a Roller Coaster but the intensity of the emotions. They would have to start all over again. The money the girls receive from their Mothers Insurance was gone. Going to pay for the first team of attorneys. So, since steve was pretty much destitute, courtappointed attorney stepped in and right away Craig Williams and greg were impressed by how Steves Family supported him. Its a large family. Very educated. Very tight knit group. How uniformly did they support steve . Through the process . I would say very uniformly. They are all behind him . Yes. As steves second trial approached, there was another huge surprise. The source of the dna found under Carols Fingernails was finally identified. That would be mr. 603. Coming up. We exhausted man hours and looked at any and all alternatives. We finally were able to discover and verify who mr. 603 is. Ctly. Keith morrison when dateline continues. [ ] did you know, theres a detergent that gets your dishes up to 100 clean, even in an older dishwasher . Try cascade platinum plus. For sparkling clean dishes even on the toughest jobs. Just scrape, load and youre done. 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