donald trump really means when he says black jobs. and, separation of church and state, not so separate in oklahoma now forcing public schools to teach the bible. what if the teacher refuses? let's do it.■ç tonight, a new poll in the aftermath of thursday night's presidential debate is likely only adding to democratic anguish about the state of the race. a cbs 2 of online survey of registered voters finds the nearly three out of four think biden does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, and there are some caveats. the poll was immediate, conducted just two days after the debate and this margin of error is 4.2 points, but this is a seven point increase in the number of registered voters who had the specific doubts about biden on june 9th just weeks before the debate. to counter the negativity, top biden supporters hit the airwaves today to stand by their candidate. >> i have spent time with joe biden. i can tell!çyou that not only does he have a tough mind, he has a tender heart, and that is what you need in a president. donald trump has neither. joe biden has confronted and had to come back from tragedy, from trials, from tribulations throughout his entire life so the moment that we are in right now is a come back moment. >> joe biden's decision to go forward is a decision we will all embrace because of the record he has in the performance that will come with it. >> for their part, the biden campaign staff took a more abrasive approach to countering worries about joe biden. on saturday, biden campaign chair jen o'malley dillon put out a memo stating■ç biden coul still win and pointed to the $27 million the campaign raised after the debate. as for the polling she stated quote, if we do see changes in polling in the coming weeks it will not be the first time that overblown media narratives have driven temporary dips in the polls. following that logic, if the polls turn bad for biden, it's not because of his debate performance, it's because of the overblown media coverage of the debate performance. meanwhile, in a fund-raising memo to supporters, bob celerity tried to assure supporters by attacking people questioning biden's debate performance as coach, the bedwetting brigade. the email is meant to give ammunition for biden supporters to deal with what■ç flaherty called your panicked aunt, your 1010 uncle or some self- important podcasters. is that the best way to address supporters with legitimate concerns about biden's candidacy? maybe, maybe not. is the biden campaign being defiant? probably, or are they in denial, we will see. joining me to discuss, one of the self-important podcasters, tim miller, christina greer. all right, tim, you are the card-carrying member of the self-important podcaster bread wedding -- bedwetting brigade. do you want to respond to the campaign attack and your integrity or their spin? >> i don't know. they might've been attacking me i guess, they didn't say. i will say this. we all come from the same place to start with, which is that we passionately do not want donald trump"t 2025. a second trump term would be an absolute catastrophe, and so i think the bedwetters come from or are motivated by that goal, keeping trump out of the white house and to me, i think if you are watching this, if you are in the biden campaign, if you are a podcaster, if you are a guest anchor on msnbc and you are not bedwetting right now, i think you're deluding yourself. donald trump was winning this campaign before the debate. the reason why joe biden's team asked for an early debate in june was because they wanted to reframe the narrative, remind people about donald trump's extreme views, demonstrate that joe biden was up for the job. they failed■ç on that because o joe biden's performance, not because of the media coverage of it and so right now, we are in a situation where trump was winning, biden had a terrible debate performance and now trump is still winning. we will see by how much in the coming weeks so we should be bedwetting and the biden campaign should be figuring out if they're going to stay the course here, what they are going to change in order to change the trajectory of this race so we can keep donald trump out of the white house. >> christina, let's pick up on that. as far as tactics go, is this a smart one to reassure people who do have legitimate concerns by saying look, this panic is not helping. it's going to actually cause more harm than we currently have inflicted upon ourselves, and it should stop, or should they be more candid and up front and acknowledge the debate performance■ç and the severity the problem that they've created? >> i think they have to do both. i don't know why they agreed to a debate. we know that donald trump is really quick on his feet and oftentimes debates are about style, not substance. you know, oftentimes people don't change their minds once they watch a debate. if you like your candidate, you like your candidate. this one, though, actually met a lot of democrats quite nervous so where do we go from here? that is the largest question, i believe in playing with the cards that i have not the ones that i want. if joe biden is going to stay the course and the democratic party stick with them, they need to have some frank conversations with their voters. i think some of the angst we need to be honest about is that some people don't want to see■ç black woman who is the vice president ascend as the president. i think that is a hard conversation for some people and seeing how long in the tooth joe biden looked the other night at the debate is a question. i think they need to reassure voters consistently. he had a great performance the next day in north carolina that was also with a teleprompter, which many people pointed out, so getting out there and showing voters that he is capable of doing his job -- we don't talk enough about the fact that joe biden has been very honest about having a starter. we know on a debate stage that can slow things down just a little bit and so let's put him in an element where people feel confident he can do the job for four more years. he is the oldest u.s. president that we've seen and so■ç, peopl are nervous and rightfully so but it is in, and upon the entire administration to assuage those fears going into november and not just to get past november 5th but that he can also do the job once he is in it for a second term. >> at times is now reporting along with politico that biden's family is urging him to stay in the race and keep fighting, and during the retreat they held this weekend, the times is reporting quote, one of the strongest voices imploring mr. biden to resist, with his son, hunter biden, whom the president has long weaned him for advice. putting aside what you think of hunter biden, the family obviously has an outsized role in the future choices or the choices about the future that the president is going to make. if they are planning to stick this out, to christina's point, what can they do to change the trajectory here?■ç putting him out there more in the non-teleprompter specific environment may be the answer, but that seems to be the thing that he can view the least. >> yeah, so if you can't do it, i think that's why we should maybe be having hard conversations and by we, i mean the people in the pro-democracy movement but really more specifically the top officials of the democratic party in the biden family need to have an honest conversation about this, you know, like hunter biden's opinions, the fact that he wants his dad to defend himself, i get all that. i've been in those rooms. i was there right before jeb bush was deciding whether he was going to drop out of the race or not and there were some family members that wanted him to stay in but there was no path to victory right and so you have to make a hard choice in these situations that is bacjud by data, that is backed by the reality of the president's abilities, so let's see what the data says coming out this week. that poll that you showed a 72% of people thinking he's not cognitively able to be the president is extremely alarming. let's see what the swing state data says a must-have conversation and if they come out of that and say okay, joe biden needs to stay in this race, he needs to be out there. it is confusing to me that he was not doing interviews today, that all those clips that you showed were from hakeem jeffries and nancy pelosi. he did have the good event in north carolina on friday but he has not done an interview since the debate on thursday and that is totally not what you would expect a team to do if they needed to try to change the narrative.■ç back when i was doing comms for campaigns if we had a night as bad as that we would've had our candidate out there the next morning trying to change the narrative, doing interviews, going on the today show, going on fox, maybe, so he hasn't done that. >> he did have a phone niche -- photo shoot with annie leibovitz. >> christina, let's talk about kamala harris. obviously we are in this weird moment where we are openly talking about potential replacements for biden, should he choose to drop out the no indication he will do so. in fact, we have been told he's going to stick with it. we're going to hear things like gretchen whitmer, gavin newsom. others. every time a name is out there it seems to bypass or ignore the obvious choice■ç to replace biden on the ticket who would be vice president harrison is not just because she's vice president. it's the obvious one. all the money they've raised can really only go to her anyway so you alluded to it what you think is going on here? will voters be offended by the fact that she is not being talked about in a more serious way as a potential biden replacement? >> listen, we need to have some real conversations about what country we live in, right? we know that black women have been the keepers of democracy in the democratic party for quite some time and we also know that the vast majority of voters across the political spectrum have a real issue with black female leadership. there is a real reason there's never been a black female governor in the history of our nation. there's a reason there've only been two black female senators so, how's■ç kamala harris done steadfast job in these last three years serving the country? absolutely. the fact that we are still having conversations about gavin listening gretchen whitmer and people digits all public servants, but not vice president. we need to look at the data and be honest about the fact that white women vote for the republican party by a margin have consistently done so in republican elections. ever since 1952 the only two times white women have voted for the democratic candidate was 1954 in 19 [ inaudible ] doesn't seem like it's going to move the needle so there is an intersection of race and gender that's always been obvious in this country and i think 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>> there is a small segment of the population that obviously is feeling the brunt of inflation and you know, sort of scared about the future and this is donald trump's low hanging fruit way of trying to exploit some of the dissatisfaction black voters have with the democratic party and have had for a very long time, feeling as though there is a certain element, party capture, where you don't have another party to go to. talking to voters is in florida ■çor arizona there is definitely a sense that other groups are getting things that black voters didn't necessarily get so donald trump is exploiting that. he has always been best at trying to divide people so this is his latest tactic. i agree with simone foley. i'm very unclear as to what a black job is. there were some great things on the internet to try and help explain what that is but at the core of moving beyond the means and the jokes, it really gets into donald trump is, which is this divisive character who really has a very strong view of who he thinks the black start and who he thinks immigrants are. he does not respect better group and to him it's easier to put them against one another as opposed to putting for policy issues because he has none and he did nothing when he was president. he takes credit for lots of things but he did not help the economy. he did not have ■çhistorical black colleges. he did not help the black economy, he wants to erase the federal government, so there are a lot of ways you have to move past his divisive rhetoric and actually hear what he is saying, which is not very kind and it never has been. >> tim, trump is obviously very inconsistent but the one consistent thing he has brought to politics as he has demonized migrants and this goes to that, essentially framing them as stealing jobs from other constituencies. can you talk a bit about how that has been the undercurrent of all his politics? >> it is. trump has this kind of lizard brain hatred of foreigners and■ immigrants. it's kind of this archie bunker style of racism and he's never had a deep policy got to go around it and so what we are seeing here is some of the nativist policy advisers that are around him using this wedge between migrants and working- class voters of color, that they have been doing -- this is like a tale as old of -- as time , it is how they have tried to get support among more traditionally liberal constituencies for hard-line immigration policies by demonizing migrants, trying to put groups against each other and trump is just offering a much more hackneyed version of that in his bigoted way and this relates a little bit to the question you asked in the last segment. i will say again a few are looking at■ç the biden-harris ticket right now in the conversation around joe biden i feel like kamala harris has demonstrated she could make a pretty compelling counterattack on this topic, and has done so and did so also on abortion and other issues and in her appearances since the debate on thursday, and i think it is noteworthy that donald trump made this gaffe at the debate. joe biden really didn't push back on it but i think kamala harris would be a pretty effective voice in pushing back on this. >> yeah. christina, i want to talk about the president of the black conservative federation who said quote, he met the jobs of black people and we've been using that term for a while and yet that is not what trump said, right? >> absolutely not and to tim's point, we will get to this in a later segment about bibles in schools but■ç this is no christian nationalist agenda that donald trump silk has, you know, donald trump doesn't really care. he's not interested in policy. he's interested in being in charge, whatever that means for him, just having people stand up and salute him but he doesn't really care about these issues but he has always had a very particular view of the blacks and immigrants, nevermind the fact that two of his three wives are immigrants and four of his five children are children of immigrants. putting that aside, he does not see them as worthy or deserving. he does not see them as part of this country. we cannot have a president who has that mind-set and surrounds himself with people who have■ç that mind-set. that is the larger question we are trying to get that which is the trump versus biden conversation we are having is not just about donald trump or joe biden, it's about the types of people they surround themselves with on the types of policies we will get. we will get policies that will drastically hurt immigrants and black people, especially when donald trump wants to essentially pull this country apart and sell it for pieces. these are a lot of government jobs black americans have relied on to elevate themselves into the middle class. those are the top jobs the donald trump ilk are targeting to get rid of. the first day, if he is ever re-elected, so we have to make sure we're not just talking about these two men and what they say and don't say, but the people who will actually implement some of these horrible policies donald trump is throwing out there at his rallies. >> all right, tim and christina, i'm not going to let you go. we have a few more things to talk about.■ç next, the supreme court issued a win for abortion access in idaho so why are doctors there and beyond still scared to provide life-saving care? 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