good day to all good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with the fallout from the first presidential debate. the atlanta journal editors board now calling on president biden two, quote, pass the torch, while the philadelphia inquirer■ç editorial board says trump should leave the race. today, president biden is at camp david for some previously scheduled family time. nbc news is reporting the future of his election campaign will be a new item of discussion on the family agenda. surrogates for both candidates debating the performance of both debaters. >> you also have to look at what donald trump was able to do. he showed commands of the facts. he was funny, he was engaging, he was pushing back a little bit, but he was doing it with a good-natured demeanor. >> donald trump lied the entire 90 minutes. one analysis said that he told about 30 lies. i am not real good at math, that i think that's about a lie every 90 seconds. that is real talent. that means whenever his mouth was moving. ■ç reaction to trump's debat remarks about migrants taking what he described as black jobs. here's james clyburn. >> he has a low opinion of black people. he has demonstrated that all of his life. and i would like to hear him some of his black supporters why they will not have these discussions about what this man has done to black women. what this man has done to young black youth. how do you just give this man a pass on all of that? what he said the other night about black jobs meant, to me, that there are certain jobs for lack people, and there are certain jobs for white people. meanwhile, the biden/harris campaign says it raised over ■ç $30 million since thursday, from what grassroots donations. and tomorrow, the big reveal. the supreme court is expected to deliver its final ruling this term on trump's claims of absolute immunity from prosecution on prosecution related to his actions on january 6th. we are covering all the new developments from both campaigns, and we begin with aaron gilchrist at the white house. aaron, there is a very early polling that shows an increasing amount of voters want to see biden exit the race. again, it is preliminary polling, but is the white house concerned about those numbers? >> you are referring to that morning consult pull was conducted in the hours after the debate on thursday night and it showed 60% of ■çvoters said that biden should be replaced as a democratic candidate. the campaign is aware of that number, but it has also pointed to another data point indicating the debate didn't actually change the race much when you talked to boaters as opposed to talking to politicos that were hearing so much from this weekend. at the same time, there are five people familiar with the matter told some of our supporters that president biden is with his family on this preplanned stay at camp david. now discussing the future of his re-election campaign. according to our teams reporting, there is a certain low hum in the party of people expressing doubt in president biden's ability to win in november and do the job for 4 more years. leaders in the party have been all over the sunday shows today, not defending the debate performance -- rather, they are talking about his record and the threat that they all believe former president trump present if he ■çis re-elected. a pollster was on msnbc earlier today and really summed up how the campaign is viewing this moment. listen. >> the fundamental lesson that we are taking out of this debate and every other moment is, this is a closely divided country. this is going to be a nailbiter of an election. every vote matters and we are going to go out there every day showing voters that we have there best interest at heart and this president is going to fight for them every day. >> the race $33 million since thursday, mostly from grassroots donations. that sort of suggest that the regular folks are still supporting the biden/harris ticket. resident biden told the group in new york yesterday, quote, we are going to win this election.>]'k[ñi %-úreally a fight that presiden biden is still in and not ready to walk away from just yet. >> indeed. aaron gilchrist at the white house. 29 from west palm beach, we have nbc 24 jake. welcome. amid all these conversations about joe biden, what are you hearing about that? >> yeah, alex. we are now three days post debate. a lot of the discourse and kind of reviews have had time to settle, and i think two resounding things we are hearing of this debate performance from each of these candidates -- one, there were a lot of lies that went largely unchecked from former president donald trump in terms of his debate performance. but secondly, and still it seems most profoundly, ■çhas be focused on president biden's performance, which has led to a lot of democrats calling into question the legitimacy and vitality of his upcoming potential for being re-elected. what i want to point to its former donald trump's tonal shift since thursday night's debate performance. trump routinely criticizes the chances of biden being the democratic nominee on the campaign trail. he has said things like, i don't believe biden will make it to the finish line. i actually don't think it's going to be a trump versus biden rematch. often alluding to the fact that someone is going to take his place. since thursday night's performance, that tone has really shifted. i was speaking with a senior campaign trump adviser after the debate, and that's what things are going to look like. that sentiment was also really echoed friday at the virginia rally that trump hosted. take a listen to that.■ç >> many people are saying that after last night's performance, the joe biden is leaving the race. but the fact is, i don't really believe that. because he does better in polls than any of the democrats they are talking about. these polls come out with some of the names, like gavin newsom. he can't run california. he is one of the worst governors. >> so this is quite the departure we are seeing from former president trump's previous criticisms of biden and the legitimacy of him actually being a candidate. when we are talking about the underlying strategy of this, is this trump trying to hush the conversation of a potential governor newsom taking the reins? we don't quite know that underlying strategy yet, but it is certainly quite notable, and something we will continue to look for as former president ]ua democratic and republican national conventions later this summer. >> jake trailer, appreciate your live report. so let's take a listen to a view from both sides of the political aisle today ahead of tomorrow's supreme court ruling on trump's claim of absolute immunity from prosecution. i want to bring in barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and now law professor at the university of michigan and msnbc legal analyst. how disinformation is sabotaging america. welcome to you, barbara. it's always good to talk with you. as we look ahead to tomorrow, to what extent do you expect clinical polarization to reflect in the ruling from the justices? >> well, it seems like there are kind ófd■three outcomes tha we can see here. one is that trump is completely immune from prosecution, and the case must be dismissed immediately. the other possibility is a trump is not immune from anything and the case may continue immediately. i think what we are more likely to see is something in the middle. and that is based on the oral arguments that we heard. it seemed that some of the justices were ready to say that there is no immunity here. let's proceed and get going on with the case. it seems like others, like justices gore's itch and cavanaugh and alito were kind of interested in some extreme hypothetical situations. as just discourse itch said, we are deciding for the ages. and so i think the biggest issue is, where do they draw@o that political line? i think the worst outcome we should expect is not a complete dismissal of the case, but a line drawing exercise that requires the case to be remanded back at the court for more fact-finding. >> so the court has come under scrutiny for the time that it is taking to deliver this ruling. you got some analyst comparing this to the case that kept trump on the ballot in colorado. look at the speed with which that one was done. is it fair to say the court has already helped trump politically, even if inadvertently? >> yes, absolutely. i don't know whether it is deliberate. certainly what we could have expected, more urgency in this decision. they seem to act with kind of all due caution and being careful and thoughtful. you know, when they want to move quickly, they can. we know that in the watergate case involving the nixon ■çtape the court heard the case and oral argument and issued its decision 16 days later. we've been waiting more than two months for this decision. i think that whether it was intentional or not, it has assisted donald trump in delaying this case. even if the court decides tomorrow that there is nothing in the indictment that is immune from prosecution, that means we go back to court, and the trial judge there said when she had the pause button so that this appeal could be pursued, she would pick up where the case left off, which meant the donald trump's defense team would get another three months to prepare for trial. tomorrow is july 1st. three months from tomorrow is not until october 1st. even if everything goes as quickly as possible, i don't see how this case gets tried to a verdict before election day. >> which way are you expecting them to rule ■çtomorrow? who then gets to decide which of trump's actions on january 6 can be subject to criminal prosecution? >> well, that is a line drawing i think we are going to see. i don't think it's going to be -- everything is immune or nothing is immune. i think that we will engage in some line drying. it could be, one argument is, anything that donald trump did in his capacity as president is immune, and that's which he did in his capacity as a candidate is not immune. if, for example, that is where they decide to draw the line, they need to have a hearing to go through all of the allegations in the indictment and decide, was donald trump v■ acting in his capacity as president when he did this, or is candidate ? i think much of it is no question as candidate. to me, in my mind,■ç the one ar of question is directed to the justice department, which, although they may have been abuse of his power, may arguably have been within his power. jack smith has one more card to play, which is to dismiss any allegations that are arguably within the scope of presidential power and proceeding with what is left, which would be a bulk of the indictment. i think ultimately, this case is going to go to trial and the allegations are going to stay, the indictment is going to be there. the question is, when will that be there? >> i was going to ask you when, but you didn't suggest when it will happen because you don't have a crystal ball. let's play a bit from the debate ■fhursday when president biden brought up trump's felony conviction. let's watch that. >> how many billion dollars due on civil penalties for molesting a woman in public, redoing a whole range of things, of having sex with a star when you are pregnant. what are you talking about? you have the morals of an alley cat. >> i didn't have sex with a start. >> i'm curious how you interpret trump's denial over this issue once again. is this still in dispute? because didn't -- didn't we have testimony in new york city by people who, under oath, for risk of perjury if they lied, tell their stories? and didn't we have a jury of the former presidents peers find him guilty of behavior that resulted in 34 felony convictions because of this being at the root of his actions?■ç i mean, why does he keep denying this? >> yeah, i don't know. maybe because he has to. maybe it's because all supporters need to hear is what he has to say and not that. of course, that was not the heart of the issue that the jury decided. as you point out, it was certainly the narrative that was told, it was certainly what was said under oath, and it was not refuted by any other witness at the trial. but i don't know why he continues to do it. perhaps he's more concerned about politics. perhaps he knows that as long as he says that he -- his supporters will believe what he said because they believe in him. >> your trump ally steve bannon reporting to prison, basically for refusing to testify about the phone calls he had ■çwith trump leading up to january 6th. he is planning some sort of event near the prison before he goes in. what role would you say disinformation continues to play three years now after january 6th? >> a tremendous amount. in fact, it's interesting, alex. there are more people today who believe that the election was stolen then did on january 6. and that is because of this constant drumbeat by people like steve bannon on this war room podcast, like donald trump, like people who go to the rallies. and the repetition is what has caused people to believe it to be true. and so it is a significant factor. it is damaging in so many ways, not simply to suggest that donald trump actually won an election, to undermine public confidence in elections themselves,!çbecause that is a real threat to the future of our democracy. i imagine we will hear more of the same from steve bannon, but that he's going to be locked up for four months where he will be unable to do his podcast, and perhaps that will be the greatest service to democracy that we see from this prosecution. >> barbara mcquaide, always a good service to us giving your opinions and thoughts. >> a picture you won't forget. i put that in quotes. i put that -- we will be back in 90 seconds with that. maximu. so, i breathe better. and we both sleep better. and stay married. starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant, that's a different story. with the chase ink card, we got up and running in no time. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card from chase for business. centrum! it's scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health. centrum gives every body a healthy foundation. supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. the cockroach. resilient creatures. true miracles of evolution. where there is one, others aren't far behind. always scavenging for food, the cockroach... well that's horrifying. ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier. one application kills and prevents bugs for 365 days. not in my house you don't. nature is wild. your home doesn't have to be. this summer. snacking. just. got. serious. introducing new $3 footlong dippers. the world might not be ready for them... ...but at $3 a pop? your wallet definitely is. >> >> joe biden has confronted and had to come back from tragedy, from trials, from tribulations throughout this entire life. >> joe biden's decision to go forward is a decision that we will all embrace because of the record he has and a performance that will come with it. >> house speaker hakeem jeffries and nancy pelosi standing strong after his■ç disappointin debate performance. joining me now, debbie wasserman schultz. it's good to see you. may i first ask you about your take on their comments? because two sources tell nbc news that those same senior congressional democrats -- let's also had james clyburn -- have privately expressed concerns about joe biden's viability, even as they all are publicly backing the president. are democrats essentially waiting for president biden to make the decision whether or not he leaves the race, and do so on his own? that's the first question, and that i have a follow-up.m#÷ >> i know in my public life, i have never known a more resilient human being than joe ç biden. if there is anyone that can turn thursday night and the aftermath of that into a motivating force going forward, to be able to rally the troops and make sure that he can be focused and make sure that we can turn our voters out, it is joe biden. and i will tell you -- what my advice to my people at home and across this country are that know that joe biden should be re-elected president of the united states is, with our hands, we should do more doorknocking and phone calling them pro clutching and handwringing. that is a lot more constructive use of our hands right now. and i know people across this country who support joe biden. the polls show thursday night's debate did not ■çhave really, y know, much impact. this race is close. we need to focus on getting people out in the battleground states. we need to make sure that because we are an expansion state, we've got organized and up and down the ballots make sure that we can get our people to the polls. and they are going to come to the polls and vote for joe biden. i don't know a single person from thursday night. maybe they expressed some concern, but not a single person said anything other than they are still supporting joe biden. >> that eliminates my need to ask whether you think it's time for him to get out. you clearly do not think it is time for him to get out at this point. what about the editorial? that is a swing state of georgia. it says that president biden should step aside.■ç the editorial board of the new york times did the same. why is there a disconnect between what we are hearing from editorial or opinion pages and from democratic members of congress? and i'm not throwing you into this necessarily individually, just in general, there doesn't seem to be a lot of public this russian from our elected officials about what is being said, not only in media circles or editorial boards, but among just the average person. i'm sure there are folks in your constituency you are saying, i think it's time for him to get out. shouldn't it be addressed? >> these editorials, these -- you know, back room whisper campaigns, those are all coming and emanating from elites.■ç i mean, the folks that i talked to in my district when i travel around the country and talk to voters, you know, they are not wondering what the new york times or the atlanta journal- constitution things to drive their decision about who they are voting for. what drives the decision about who they are voting for is the fact that joe biden has brought prescription drug costs down. that he has invested massive amounts of resources, the most in modern times, in infrastructure. eddie helped cut people's debt with student loans. on thursday night, they saw a former president who, you know, could not possibly have lied more. who essentially lied about the millions of people that died during covid as a result of his policies, about inflation going up as a result of his covid policies. the fact that he bragged about roe versus wade, ■çand the fact that now there are millions of women who have had their reproductive freedom ripped away from them. my daughters have left rights right now than i did growing up, as an adult. that is when going to draw from people's decisions. we need to double down on organization right now and focus on that we have an election in just five months. >> prior to the debates, he would talk about joe biden in brutal ways and undermine his capacity for leadership. and yet, since then, multiple times, he has said he doesn't think joe biden will pull out, because he's pulling better than any of the potential replacements. i'm not asking you to get inside his mind. but what do you think he is doing that for? >> ■çdonald trump is an unhinge maniacal authoritarian. and so i have no idea what is behind his, you know, addled mind that is really -- spends most of his time dreaming up ways to propose policies that will overturn our democracy, get ready to overturn an election like you attempted to do in january 6th. people are not dumb, alex. they understand the contrast and the difference between these two men. i know that we have a good and decent man in the white house right now, and they had an evil and terrible person in the white house for almost four years ago. at the end of the day, they want to go to the ballot box and say, you know what? i'm ■çgoing to make sure that i vote for a president is going to have my back. and it's not even a close call when that is the driving factor in most voter decisions when they decide who they are voting for. that's why joe biden is going to continue to be president. >> this is from capitol hill. congressman seth moulton posted on social media a photo of a poster hanging outside the office of republican congressman matt rosen dale. one says ivf destroys more life than planned parenthood. there's another one that says if you believe that life begins at contraception as i do, there is no difference between an abortion and the destruction of an ivf embryo. are you seeking more extreme stances on reproductive rights becoming more accepted in congress? that's a pretty blatant post outside of that congressman's door. >> not only that, çbut the office that those posters are posted outside of actually proposed an amendment to make ivf illegal because he said it was immoral. you have republicans for the united states senate vote down a bill that would have made sure that we could codify in vitro fertilization and protect the ability of families to decide when and if they are going to start a family. my twins were conceived through ivf. my husband and i had difficulty conceiving. in god we were able to use ivf to be i have a younger daughter that was conceived naturally. but as a breast cancer survivor who has the mutation, i will tell you what. ■ç republican opposition to ivf means that when my children decide to have their children, if ivf were banned, now that you can test an embryo for genetic mutations and my children could decide to use ivf to end the generational cancer in our family, the republican position would continue generational cancer and other diseases and millions of families. that is what is immoral. and how dare matt rosen dale say that the birth of my children were immoral. that is a republican party today and it is outrageous. >> are not going to think it was a congresswoman, i'm going to think he was a fierce, world- class mom. good to hear from you. thank you for sharing. >> it's great to be with you. the remarkable thing donald trump said at ■çthe debate that isn't sitting well with many voters. why is he doubling down on that? 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it's going to be -> what ■çwas trump inferring there? >> it is the most racist statement that he has made in the last three days, because he's made them a long time before that. you got to remember, donald trump said black jobs, and he talks about how blacks relate to him because of his mug shot. so he has criminalized blacks, saying that we relate to mug shots because we are innately criminal. even though, yes, we have fought the criminal justice system unfairly, he's always been on the other side, like what he did with the central case. he won't discuss is the people prosecuting him in new york and georgia are black prosecutors that we voted to get in office. so that's not the system. it's those of us that rebelled against the ■çsystem and got black prosecutors in. now he tries to say black jobs. what jobs are black? whatever kind of jobs that illegal migrants are getting here? mostly jobs that most american citizens, including blacks, were not trying to do. and maybe somebody ought to tell mr. trump that this is the 21st century. we have blacks now that are ceos in major corporations. we are black billionaires all the way down to people that work every day in labor jobs that are every day jobs. but a black job has never been monolithically since slavery, or at least since jim crow. so it shows you the mentality ■ç of donald trump when it comes to lax. we are either not legal because we are criminals. we like mug shots, or we do labor that migrants can come in and take over right away, both of them are absolutely offended . as much as i was concerned about joe biden and his performance of the night, i was very upset when the one or two questions he seemed to not be able to get to his answer. i am more concerned about all of the things donald trump did answer. >> and let's get to widens lackluster performance during the debate, because you know it's got■ç a couple of major newspaper editorials calling on him to step aside. you are familiar with the campaign. let me just say, i've been asking it in the two and half hours preceding our conversation that i'd been on the air, and not a one has said that it is likely he will step aside. do you join that group? do you think he should not step aside? >> i think that he certainly that we don't know healthwise, and i don't believe they are. he should not step aside. he should not be forced to step aside because he had a bad debate. i ran into thousand 24. people have bad debates. i think that it was alarming, but i don't think that it was disqualifying. and i just flew back into new york. i preached this morning in winston-salem, north carolina. in north carolina, those people in that church are not talking about■ç when we were in and out about joe biden or the pullout. they were more offended on donald trump acting like every problem in america is because the migrants came across the border. so when you are dealing with a pandemic that he mishandled, the migrants caused that. the people that died because of his mishandling, the migrants caused that. we have a problem with the border? absolutely. we can't blame everything that came across the border with record unemployment under donald trump, generally, and black unemployment was not caused by an explosion at the border. it was the explosion when his administration were not letting other people do what needed to be done in a timely way.■ç >> which begs this question then, because recent nbc news polling shows 87% of black voters back president biden in 2020. that support has slipped now to 71%. why is the president losing the support of black voters? do you believe those poll numbers? >> i don't believe those poll numbers, and i think that those poll numbers will change the more blacks start hearing about black jobs, the more they understand donald trump's record. let me explain something to you. you know i've been involved in the front lines for decades, and particularly in new york. donald trump has never supported blacks in the fight against criminal justice. he was always on the other side. he called for the execution of five innocent black and brown men. so people are not going to be fooled once the messages out there,■ç and i think -- again, you can look at the polls in 2020. they were up and down about black voters. at the end of the day, how many black votes did he get? he rolled out a bunch of black luminaries like people that were in sports and all that. people are not going to get offended. i cannot tell you the amount of people that i know working at chapels around the country that were outright offended. i'm talking even black republicans -- when they said blacks relate to my mug shot. one, because he calls us criminals, and two, it's black p.a.s that are prosecuting him. willis in atlanta and alvin bragg in new york. what is he talking about? >> that's rhetorical, because i can't possibly answer that.■ç it has to be more from the biden campaign than just saying donald trump doesn't work for you, and here's why. what is the message joe biden needs to deliver to black voters that will inspire them to stick with him? >> you are right. i think he is trying to do with some of it the other night, and it needs to be more concise, and he needs more days to do it. we have the lowest black unemployment numbers in the history of this country. we've never had black unemployment this low. still higher than whites, it is lower than he's ever been. when he talks about how he has given more money, four times as more money to hbc you then donald trump try to brag about when he did, when you deal with the wealth gap between blacks oz and whites, it has narrowed under joe biden more than we seen any president■ç in the las few decades. when you look at the fact that black women and white women, the wealth gap is almost equal now. he has delivered in terms of real data to the black community. it just needs to get out there. and if you compare that -- let's remember, when we talk about this. if you compare that to donald trump, don't ever forget that the largest civil rights case in the last two decades was george floyd. donald trump was president under george floyd. he would not support the george floyd justice and policing act. he called the family, never said he denounced what happened to george. he wasn't listening to them. he was president then. the only action he took was, he went ■nd had the secret service and security move protesters from in front of a church across the street from the white house, and rather than say we need to deal with police reform, he denounced -- he denounced the marches and said if the looting starts, the shooting starts. he had every opportunity to show he understands with george floyd, the highest profile case we've had in 20 or 30 years. he was on the other side of that. >> okay. reverend al sharpton, i think you for our conversation is always. you have about an hour and 20 minutes to start your show, no speeding in the car there. you can watch politics nation today and every saturday and sunday at 5:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. a mega ally heads to prison ■çtomorrow, and he can't stop talking about it next. next. sleep more deeply and wake up rejuvenated. purple mattresses exclusive gel flex grid draws away heat, relieves pressure and instantly adapts. sleep better. live purple. right now save up to $800 off mattress sets at purple. visit purple.com or a store near you today. >> tomorrow, a >> tomorrow, a longtime ally to former president trump reports to prison. outspoken maga ally steve bannon gives a four month sentence well his refusal to testify before the committee about what he knew about the attack on the capital. nbc's von hilliard spoke with bannon about his reasoning behind that decision.■ç >> we are not just four months away from november's presidential election, and on monday, steve bannon, a longtime formal and informal adviser to donald trump in an ever increasingly influential voice among the maga movement, is set to report to prison on monday for a four month prison sentence . >> we are truly at a political war in this country. >> just before he reports to federal prison, steve bannon remains defiant. >> we only get stronger with this. we are a populist movement. >> reporter: after leaving his position, less than seven months into the trump administration, and then went back to his roots in conservative media. >> and saturday, 29 june, here in the war room. >> reporter:■ç launching war room, which is rocketed in popularity among the mega faithful. >> they've lit a bunch of fires under a lot of people, including myself. >> mr. bannon refused to testify. >>'s refusal to comply with the congressional investigation of the january 6 capital attack and alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election led to bannon's conviction by a jury on two counts of contempt of congress. the supreme court now refusing to delay bannon's four months sentence as he appeals. >> refused to comply with a congressional subpoena? >> first off, my lawyer told me when i got the lawyer exerting that the committee was not legitimately structured. therefore, the committees don't do anything. >> reporter: no court has so far agreed with those objections. ■' the committee's interest in bannon, stemming in part from white house records showing he talked to president trump twice on january 6, as well as the day before, the same day bannon said this. >> all is going to break loose tomorrow. all i can say is, strapped in. >> there were personal and private conversations that he has exerted executive privilege over. >> bannon, who speaks regularly around the country -- says even in prison, his message won't be silenced. >> what is your endgame? >> victory or death of this republic. first, they shred the constitution. it is the death of the constitutional american republic we know. >> bannon has ■4ç■obviously not maintained a role among the presumptive nominees campaign,■ he and donald trump have remained close. just a little over a week ago, while steve bannon was live on air, donald trump called his cell phone and steve bannon answered it. for these two, it's a mutually beneficial relationship. donald trump understands that steve bannon has a major microphone and is influential for a great many of donald trump's most fervent supporters around the country. >> thank you for that. big parties taking place across the country today, but there's a lot more to these than just having a good time. lgbt rights are under fire in this country and we are going to talk about that next. with a plan that's right for him. let our expertise round out yours. camilla tried the new scent of gain relax flings and it changed everything. 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>> to recognize people, especially people who stood up for our country is so important. i think you can contrast that, right? here's president biden at the opening of the stonewall visitor center. here's president biden hardening all these military folks who served our country honorably, and then you have the contrast of trump, who banned trans people from the military, who wanted to serve our country and were serving our country. so we have a lot of work ahead of us, and a stark difference between two candidates that are running right now ■çand supportg the community. that became really evident this weekend. >> just to affirm the answer i expect on this question, they were certainly a key voting block in swing states and giving president biden the win in 2020. has he earned the lgbt vote this time around? >> president biden has done over -- i think it's over 200 or 300 acts that help the lgbt community, and you can contrast that with former president trump, who did over 200 policies and rhetoric moves that were against our community. in fact, for this month, he hasn't even recognized pride month or our community this month. is a very stark difference. 94% of registered lgbtq voters are planning to vote ■çthis yea and we are a key voting platform and can make the difference between what president will be in the next four years. and i think when you look at them, in the main swing state, it's over 60+ percentage points that they are in favor of president biden. >> to your point, you said that lgbtq voters will be the deciding factor in 2024. and yet, there is not a single question regarding lgbtq issues and rights in thursday's debate. were you disappointed by that? >> i was really disappointed by that. we gave them a host of xç■oy■. different questions that they could ask both candidates and get clear answers on for our community. this is the first presidential campaign that was ■çin -- excus me. debate that was during pride month, and not one question about our community. it is such an important community. you know, in 2020, it was 80% of the voting block. it has only grown since then, and not one question about our community during pride month in the first debate. >> nearly everyone has seen a surge of anti-transgender legislation here. how important is this election for trans rights? >> this election is everything. and that's up and down the ballot. we are really seeing these fights at the state level, the school board level. i think what we are seeing is politicians who are trying to amp up their platform, their visibility by picking on transgender folks. one of the challenges we have and it's a ■çreal challenge is that only 30% of americans say they know someone who is transgender. so more people report in america having seen a ghost. and what politicians are doing is taking advantage of that knowledge gap. transgender people have been here the entire time, and they are just human beings trying to live their life like everyone else, and they are being demonized and victimized by politicians. >> sarah kate ellis. it's good to talk with you. i hope you had a festive and productive and happy month as you honor pride this june. thank you so much. we will see you again. one year after a landmark decision by the supreme court. how the ripple effects are being felt by both sides of a controversial topic. ial topic. ned, ned, who are you wearing? 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(♪♪) live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. >> a year >> a year after a contentious decision by the supreme court, colleges here in the u.s. are grappling with admission standards. admissions granted is a new msnbc film airing tonight documenting the fall of affirmative action at the hands of the supreme court. it features critical student testimonials and expert analysis, and joining me now is harvard law professor jeannie gersten, who is featured in that film. ■% welcome. it's particularly great to have you here because harvard was one of the defendants in one of the case is that the supreme court ruled on to strike down affirmative action. can you describe the reaction at harvard when that decision was announced? >> i think by the time the decision came down about a year ago, it was no surprise because we had all been aware of the supreme court oral argument, and the fact that the supreme court decided to hear the case was pretty indicative about what they wanted to do and take out affirmative action. so by the time he came down, i think everyone was already adjusting to the new reality, and it is very clear that it is not a decision that has a lot -- a lot of people resisting it in the sense that i think admissions officers, even if they disagree■ç -- even if universities disagree with the decision, it has been pretty clear-cut that they no longer can lawfully consider race as a part of the admissions process. >> let me go for what you have done. you followed this case in the beginning. you covered it in the new yorker back in 2017. you said while we shouldn't want the composition of our universities to be out of proportion to the racial composition of the country, some kind of race conscious affirmative action needs to be put in place to address underrepresentation and disadvantaged students. so what has harvard done to achieve this? >> well, if you are talking about before the decision, congress was considering the race of the applicant's as one factor among many factors.■ç so considering the entire totality of the application, including the grades, test scores, extracurricular activities, personal factors, and race as one of the many factors. the supreme court decided a year ago that you can consider all those things, you just can't consider race. that race was a uniquely problematic thing to consider when making decisions about whether people should get something, like a benefit, or be denied a benefit, like being denied admission. so therefore, everything else can be considered. you can consider class status, financial disadvantage, the disadvantage that one might have experienced in lifefd■, in many, many dimensions. but not the racial dimension. >> so part ■çof this film explores the idea that asian americans were being used as a front for conservative values on this issue and it divided the asian american community. how has this decision shaped your conversations? the ones you had with students of all races in the classroom and others in the asian american community since? >> well, i do teach constitutional law and i do teach the issue of affirmative action and the equal protection doctrine that enabled the affirmative action decisions, both in favor and against. and so i think that the conversation is very interesting, because even in the film, the admissions granted film, you can see that the asian american students who participated in the case as plaintiffs suing harvard have a bit of a journey in the film■ç were, toward the end of the film, they are recognizing that discrimination against asian americans -- which, of course, is bad -- is not necessarily the same thing as affirmative action in favor of disadvantaged minorities. so some people conflate the issues. in fact, many people just think , if you have affirmative action, that must mean it's discriminating against asian americans. i think even the plaintiffs in the case that are portrayed in the film have a bit of a journey where they recognize that, in fact, they, too think that race should be considered in some way to make sure that people who have a disadvantage in our country get an equal shot. and discrimination against asians is not necessarily the same thing. ■ç ng.