good day to all good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we begin with the fallout from the first presidential debate. the atlanta journal editors board now calling on president biden two, quote, pass the torch, while the philadelphia inquirer■ç editorial board says trump should leave the race. today, president biden is at camp david for some previously scheduled family time. nbc news is reporting the future of his election campaign will be a new item of discussion on the family agenda. surrogates for both candidates debating the performance of both debaters. >> you also have to look at what donald trump was able to do. he showed commands of the facts. he was funny, he was engaging, he was pushing back a little bit, but he was doing it with a good-natured demeanor. >> donald trump lied the entire 90 minutes. one analysis said that he told about 30 lies. i am not real good at math, that i think that's about a lie every 90 seconds. that is real talent. that means whenever his mouth was moving. ■ç reaction to trump's debat remarks about migrants taking what he described as black jobs. here's james clyburn. >> he has a low opinion of black people. he has demonstrated that all of his life. and i would like to hear him some of his black supporters why they will not have these discussions about what this man has done to black women. what this man has done to young black youth. how do you just give this man a pass on all of that? what he said the other night about black jobs meant, to me, that there are certain jobs for lack people, and there are certain jobs for white people. meanwhile, the biden/harris campaign says it raised over ■ç $30 million since thursday, from what grassroots donations. and tomorrow, the big reveal. the supreme court is expected to deliver its final ruling this term on trump's claims of absolute immunity from prosecution on prosecution related to his actions on january 6th. we are covering all the new developments from both campaigns, and we begin with aaron gilchrist at the white house. aaron, there is a very early polling that shows an increasing amount of voters want to see biden exit the race. again, it is preliminary polling, but is the white house concerned about those numbers? >> you are referring to that morning consult pull was conducted in the hours after the debate on thursday night and it showed 60% of ■çvoters said that biden should be replaced as a democratic candidate. the campaign is aware of that number, but it has also pointed to another data point indicating the debate didn't actually change the race much when you talked to boaters as opposed to talking to politicos that were hearing so much from this weekend. at the same time, there are five people familiar with the matter told some of our supporters that president biden is with his family on this preplanned stay at camp david. now discussing the future of his re-election campaign. according to our teams reporting, there is a certain low hum in the party of people expressing doubt in president biden's ability to win in november and do the job for 4 more years. leaders in the party have been all over the sunday shows today, not defending the debate performance -- rather, they are talking about his record and the threat that they all believe former president trump present if he ■çis re-elected. a pollster was on msnbc earlier today and really summed up how the campaign is viewing this moment. listen. >> the fundamental lesson that we are taking out of this debate and every other moment is, this is a closely divided country. this is going to be a nailbiter of an election. every vote matters and we are going to go out there every day showing voters that we have there best interest at heart and this president is going to fight for them every day. >> the race $33 million since thursday, mostly from grassroots donations. that sort of suggest that the regular folks are still supporting the biden/harris ticket. resident biden told the group in new york yesterday, quote, we are going to win this election.>]'k[ñi %-úreally a fight that presiden biden is still in and not ready to walk away from just yet. >> indeed. aaron gilchrist at the white house. 29 from west palm beach, we have nbc 24 jake. welcome. amid all these conversations about joe biden, what are you hearing about that? >> yeah, alex. we are now three days post debate. a lot of the discourse and kind of reviews have had time to settle, and i think two resounding things we are hearing of this debate performance from each of these candidates -- one, there were a lot of lies that went largely unchecked from former president donald trump in terms of his debate performance. but secondly, and still it seems most profoundly, ■çhas be focused on president biden's performance, which has led to a lot of democrats calling into question the legitimacy and vitality of his upcoming potential for being re-elected. what i want to point to its former donald trump's tonal shift since thursday night's debate performance. trump routinely criticizes the chances of biden being the democratic nominee on the campaign trail. he has said things like, i don't believe biden will make it to the finish line. i actually don't think it's going to be a trump versus biden rematch. often alluding to the fact that someone is going to take his place. since thursday night's performance, that tone has really shifted. i was speaking with a senior campaign trump adviser after the debate, and that's what things are going to look like. that sentiment was also really echoed friday at the virginia rally that trump hosted. take a listen to that.■ç >> many people are saying that after last night's performance, the joe biden is leaving the race. but the fact is, i don't really believe that. because he does better in polls than any of the democrats they are talking about. these polls come out with some of the names, like gavin newsom. he can't run california. he is one of the worst governors. >> so this is quite the departure we are seeing from former president trump's previous criticisms of biden and the legitimacy of him actually being a candidate. when we are talking about the underlying strategy of this, is this trump trying to hush the conversation of a potential governor newsom taking the reins? we don't quite know that underlying strategy yet, but it is certainly quite notable, and something we will continue to look for as former president ]ua democratic and republican national conventions later this summer. >> jake trailer, appreciate your live report. so let's take a listen to a view from both sides of the political aisle today ahead of tomorrow's supreme court ruling on trump's claim of absolute immunity from prosecution. i want to bring in barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and now law professor at the university of michigan and msnbc legal analyst. how disinformation is sabotaging america. welcome to you, barbara. it's always good to talk with you. as we look ahead to tomorrow, to what extent do you expect clinical polarization to reflect in the ruling from the justices? >> well, it seems like there are kind ófd■three outcomes tha we can see here. one is that trump is completely immune from prosecution, and the case must be dismissed immediately. the other possibility is a trump is not immune from anything and the case may continue immediately. i think what we are more likely to see is something in the middle. and that is based on the oral arguments that we heard. it seemed that some of the justices were ready to say that there is no immunity here. let's proceed and get going on with the case. it seems like others, like justices gore's itch and cavanaugh and alito were kind of interested in some extreme hypothetical situations. as just discourse itch said, we are deciding for the ages. and so i think the biggest issue is, where do they draw@o that political line? i think the worst outcome we should expect is not a complete dismissal of the case, but a line drawing exercise that requires the case to be remanded back at the court for more fact-finding. >> so the court has come under scrutiny for the time that it is taking to deliver this ruling. you got some analyst comparing this to the case that kept trump on the ballot in colorado. look at the speed with which that one was done. is it fair to say the court has already helped trump politically, even if inadvertently? >> yes, absolutely. i don't know whether it is deliberate. certainly what we could have expected, more urgency in this decision. they seem to act with kind of all due caution and being careful and thoughtful. you know, when they want to move quickly, they can. we know that in the watergate case involving the nixon ■çtape the court heard the case and oral argument and issued its decision 16 days later. we've been waiting more than two months for this decision. i think that whether it was intentional or not, it has assisted donald trump in delaying this case. even if the court decides tomorrow that there is nothing in the indictment that is immune from prosecution, that means we go back to court, and the trial judge there said when she had the pause button so that this appeal could be pursued, she would pick up where the case left off, which meant the donald trump's defense team would get another three months to prepare for trial. tomorrow is july 1st. three months from tomorrow is not until october 1st. even if everything goes as quickly as possible, i don't see how this case gets tried to a verdict before election day. >> which way are you expecting them to rule ■çtomorrow? who then gets to decide which of trump's actions on january 6 can be subject to criminal prosecution? >> well, that is a line drawing i think we are going to see. i don't think it's going to be -- everything is immune or nothing is immune. i think that we will engage in some line drying. it could be, one argument is, anything that donald trump did in his capacity as president is immune, and that's which he did in his capacity as a candidate is not immune. if, for example, that is where they decide to draw the line, they need to have a hearing to go through all of the allegations in the indictment and decide, was donald trump v■ acting in his capacity as president when he did this, or is candidate ? i think much of it is no question as candidate. to me, in my mind,■ç the one ar of question is directed to the justice department, which, although they may have been abuse of his power, may arguably have been within his power. jack smith has one more card to play, which is to dismiss any allegations that are arguably within the scope of presidential power and proceeding with what is left, which would be a bulk of the indictment. i think ultimately, this case is going to go to trial and the allegations are going to stay, the indictment is going to be there. the question is, when will that be there? >> i was going to ask you when, but you didn't suggest when it will happen because you don't have a crystal ball. let's play a bit from the debate ■fhursday when president biden brought up trump's felony conviction. let's watch that. >> how many billion dollars due on civil penalties for molesting a woman in public, redoing a whole range of things, of having sex with a star when you are pregnant. what are you talking about? you have the morals of an alley cat. >> i didn't have sex with a start. >> i'm curious how you interpret trump's denial over this issue once again. is this still in dispute? because didn't -- didn't we have testimony in new york city by people who, under oath, for risk of perjury if they lied, tell their stories? and didn't we have a jury of the former presidents peers find him guilty of behavior that resulted in 34 felony convictions because of this being at the root of his actions?■ç i mean, why does he keep denying this? >> yeah, i don't know. maybe because he has to. maybe it's because all supporters need to hear is what he has to say and not that. of course, that was not the heart of the issue that the jury decided. as you point out, it was certainly the narrative that was told, it was certainly what was said under oath, and it was not refuted by any other witness at the trial. but i don't know why he continues to do it. perhaps he's more concerned about politics. perhaps he knows that as long as he says that he -- his supporters will believe what he said because they believe in him. >> your trump ally steve bannon reporting to prison, basically for refusing to testify about the phone calls he had ■çwith trump leading up to january 6th. he is planning some sort of event near the prison before he goes in. what role would you say disinformation continues to play three years now after january 6th? >> a tremendous amount. in fact, it's interesting, alex. there are more people today who believe that the election was stolen then did on january 6. and that is because of this constant drumbeat by people like steve bannon on this war room podcast, like donald trump, like people who go to the rallies. and the repetition is what has caused people to believe it to be true. and so it is a significant factor. it is damaging in so many ways, not simply to suggest that donald trump actually won an election, to undermine public confidence in elections themselves,!çbecause that is a real threat to the future of our democracy. i imagine we will hear more of the same from steve bannon, but that he's going to be locked up for four months where he will be unable to do his podcast, and perhaps that will be the greatest service to democracy that we see from this prosecution. >> barbara mcquaide, always a good service to us giving your opinions and thoughts. >> a picture you won't forget. i put that in quotes. i put that -- we will be back in 90 seconds with that. maximu. so, i breathe better. and we both sleep better. and stay married. starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant, that's a different story. with the chase ink card, we got up and running in no time. earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card from chase for business. centrum! it's scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health. centrum gives every body a healthy foundation. supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. the cockroach. resilient creatures. true miracles of evolution. where there is one, others aren't far behind. always scavenging for food, the cockroach... well that's horrifying. ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier. one application kills and prevents bugs for 365 days. not in my house you don't. nature is wild. your home doesn't have to be. this summer. snacking. just. got. serious. introducing new $3 footlong dippers. the world might not be ready for them... ...but at $3 a pop? your wallet definitely is. >> >> joe biden has confronted and had to come back from tragedy, from trials, from tribulations throughout this entire life. >> joe biden's decision to go forward is a decision that we will all embrace because of the record he has and a performance that will come with it. >> house speaker hakeem jeffries and nancy pelosi standing strong after his■ç disappointin debate performance. joining me now, debbie wasserman schultz. it's good to see you. may i first ask you about your take on their comments? because two sources tell nbc news that those same senior congressional democrats -- let's also had james clyburn -- have privately expressed concerns about joe biden's viability, even as they all are publicly backing the president. are democrats essentially waiting for president biden to make the decision whether or not he leaves the race, and do so on his own? that's the first question, and that i have a follow-up.m#÷ >> i know in my public life, i have never known a more resilient human being than joe ç biden. if there is anyone that can turn thursday night and the aftermath of that into a motivating force going forward, to be able to rally the troops and make sure that he can be focused and make sure that we can turn our voters out, it is joe biden. and i will tell you -- what my advice to my people at home and across this country are that know that joe biden should be re-elected president of the united states is, with our hands, we should do more doorknocking and phone calling them pro clutching and handwringing. that is a lot more constructive use of our hands right now. and i know people across this country who support joe biden. the polls show thursday night's debate did not ■çhave really, y know, much impact. this race is close. we need to focus on getting people out in the battleground states. we need to make sure that because we are an expansion state, we've got organized and up and down the ballots make sure that we can get our people to the polls. and they are going to come to the polls and vote for joe biden. i don't know a single person from thursday night. maybe they expressed some concern, but not a single person said anything other than they are still supporting joe biden. >> that eliminates my need to ask whether you think it's time for him to get out. you clearly do not think it is time for him to get out at this point. what about the editorial? that is a swing state of georgia. it says that president biden should step aside.■ç the editorial board of the new york times did the same. why is there a disconnect between what we are hearing from editorial or opinion pages and from democratic members of congress? and i'm not throwing you into this necessarily individually, just in general, there doesn't seem to be a lot of public this russian from our elected officials about what is being said, not only in media circles or editorial boards, but among just the average person. i'm sure there are folks in your constituency you are saying, i think it's time for him to get out. shouldn't it be addressed? >> these editorials, these -- you know, back room whisper campaigns, those are all coming and emanating from elites.■ç i mean, the folks that i talked to in my district when i travel around the country and talk to voters, you know, they are not wondering what the new york times or the atlanta journal- constitution things to drive their decision about who they are voting for. what drives the decision about who they are voting for is the fact that joe biden has brought prescription drug costs down. that he has invested massive amounts of resources, the most in modern times, in infrastructure. eddie helped cut people's debt with student loans. on thursday night, they saw a former president who, you know, could not possibly have lied more. who essentially lied about the millions of people that died during covid as a result of his policies, about inflation going up as a result of his covid policies. the fact that he bragged about roe versus wade, ■çand the fact that now there are millions of women who have had their reproductive freedom ripped away from them. my daughters have left rights right now than i did growing up, as an adult. that is when going to draw from people's decisions. we need to double down on organization right now and focus on that we have an election in just five months. >> prior to the debates, he would talk about joe biden in brutal ways and undermine his capacity for leadership. and yet, since then, multiple times, he has said he doesn't think joe biden will pull out, because he's pulling better than any of the potential replacements. i'm not asking you to get inside his mind. but what do you think he is doing that for? >> ■çdonald trump is an unhinge maniacal authoritarian. and so i have no idea what is behind his, you know,