coming up on msnbc. this hour, three editorials, two asking president biden to end his president biden to end his campaign for president and the +xq) telling former president donald trump to bow out. which chorus will sing the loudest in the days to come? in minutes, we are talking with jen psaki. plus, the questions about new unusual artwork on the walls of capitol hill. the message most americans want to see. >> good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. we begin with new fallout from the first presidential debate between donald trump and president joe biden. the atlanta journal- constitution editorial board now calling on president biden to pass the torch. while the philadelphia inquirer editorial board says, to serve his country, trump should leave the race.■ç today, president biden is at camp david for some previously scheduled family time. msnbc is reporting the future of his election campaign will be a new item on the family agenda. surrogates for both candidates to the sunday talk shows with senator chris noting that calls for writing to step aside are coming from editorial boards . >> not one single senior democrat, there's not a single governor, there's not a single senator. obviously, his vice president who endorses him it's a written, i will remind you, donald trump's biggest distinction is the views of those closest to him. don't take my word for it. donald trump's own vice president, chief of staff, and national security advisor■ç all refused to support him. it would be an incredible insult to democratic voters to have this primary process that was effectively rigged in favor of joe biden. and in the last minute, when joe biden has a disastrous performance, try to switch them out. >> meanwhile, the campaign says it raised over $33 million since thursday, including $26 million from what officials say are grassroots donations. tomorrow, the supreme court is expected to deliver its ruling on trump's claims of absolute immunity on charges related to his actions on january 6. both sites today weighing in ahead of that decision. >> the democrats keep calling president trump a felon. be careful what you wish for. i expect there will be investigations of bidens criminality at ■çthe border. i should be worried that somebody is going to come after you, because you abuse the parole statute. >> america is not a monarchy. we are not in autocracy. we don't have kings or rulers or dictators. in a democracy, one principle should be clear -- no one is above the law. that includes presidents and former presidents, and it certainly includes donald trump. >> also tomorrow, trump ally steve bannon goes to prison for defying the subpoena from the january 6th committee. is going out to aaron gilchrist, it was good to see you in the studio yesterday, but now you are there where you should be, because i want to know what the biden campaign is doing to navigate the growing post debate fallout.■ç >> well, the biden campaign is dug in. it's highlighting the support for president biden that it says is still clearly in existence. just this morning, the campaign said it raised $33 million since thursday, mostly from grassroots donations. president biden is at camp david with his family today, and there is still this major focus on his debate performance and just how much it could impact this campaign and his standing with his own party. >> president biden attending fundraising events in new york and new jersey sunday, doing post may damage control, saying he can voted undecided voters, promising, were going to win this election. the democratic national committee held a virtual check the biden campaign. in public, the ■çcampaign makin clear he is staying in the race. dominant democrats making a full court press. >> the president above all is focused on what we do next? what do i need to go do? >> the people are galvanizing and supporting biden. >> i know a lot of conversation right now is about a debate performance. can we please talk a little bit about presidential performance? >> the pressure mounting after the voters saw two different sides on thursday night. >> it's going to be dealing with everything we have to deal with -- look -- if we finally beat medicare -- >> on on the rally stage on north carolina on friday. >> i'm letting millions of ■ç americans know. when you get knocked down, you get back up. >> a one-day poll conducted in the hours after the debate showing 60% of voters think biden should be replaced as a democratic candidate. the new york times editorial board out friday with a blistering call for biden to whit, writing the greatest public service and mr. biden can outperform is to announce that he will not continue to run for election. the first lady, an unofficial adviser and presidents fearless adviser, say they will not let 90 minutes defined his tenure as president. >> there is no one that i would rather have sitting in the oval office right now and my husband. >> reporter: >> reporter: they also point ■ç some snap polling of voters in the days after the debate, saying that they suggest that receptions of voters don't really match what we are hearing from the punditry, that the debate didn't actually change the race here. at the same time, jamie raskin said this morning on this network, alex, that there are serious conversations taking place at every level of the democratic already right now. >> 100%. thank you very much, aaron gilchrist. in the meantime, let's bring in jen psaki, warmer biden white house press secretary. good to see you, my friend. the new york times had this new report. it was 48 hours to fix a 90 minute mess. inside the postdebate frenzy. as a former insider, can you try to describe the damage ■ç control effort they're likely going on behind the scenes, and with the white house and the campaign be working together on this, or taking separate approaches? >> well, there's limitations, legally, which may follow, how quaint is that given the trump certainly does not follow those? when i read the story, i thought, this is what you would be doing on a campaign. when you are knocked down, will you have to do is hold the hands of your supporters. you have to do extensive outreach to donors, to members of congress, to interest groups, and you have to project strength. that is what they are doing by trying to put out these fundraising numbers, putting out even details like three times as many people have applied for jobs. they are trying to tell people,% he is still in it, guys. and you are seeing a circling of the wagons around him from his closest advisers. there's also complaints the people didn't hear from them early enough there wasn't enough outreach. they have to continue to do more and more of it. what you saw in that story i think what is clear they are doing, is kind of doing everything they can to reach out to people and convey to them, joe biden is planning to stay in the race. if so people are responding. they have to project that strength to try to keep people with them. it's going to be a rocky road. >> it's not going to be easy, because the issue is his age, about which he can do absolutely nothing. you look at the chronology. it is what it is. >> that is true. that's been a concern that shows up in polls from the beginning. trump is three years younger. i think the problem with the debate is that it ■çkind of reaffirmed some things that people may have feared out there. what we've seen to date so far, there was a cbs news poll that i think if you are them, you are concerned about, because it showed nearly a 10 point jump in the percentage of voters who think he's not up to being president. that's not a good number. you need that number to come down, of course. but so far, head-to-head numbers, state-by-state numbers, voters have not conveyed that they are running away from joe biden. if you are sitting at the campaign, you're going to look at daily tracking polls, you are looking at fundraising, volunteers, what kind of incoming calls you are getting. that's what you are looking at day-to-day. there's no question there in a version of crisis mode right now, trying to hold the coalition together. >> i'm glad you bring up that pole, because there should be a caveat with@oreporting on this pole. this was done in the two days following the debate with any sort of event that offer something like a seismic shift or some awareness. you want a little more time before you look at these numbers as being concrete. you want everything to sort of settle in. it is a snapshot view, i'm not denying that. but another seven days from now might have a little more accurate -- >> i would add, it didn't test donald trump. there are a lot of voters who watch the debate and didn't love what they had to see. they hated what they had to see about him. if you are the biden campaign, you are looking at the road to 70. there's still lots of questions. you are looking at voters and the head-to-head's in those states, and you know, that's the thing. it's only a couple of ■çdays since the debate. they haven't seen problematic members in those dates quite yet. >> but, they have seen the atlanta general constitution general board joining the new york times editorial board calling for president biden to step aside. you have the philadelphia inquirer. it's also noticeable, these are major papers and critical states of georgia and pennsylvania. so what was it about the debate that instigated such public outcry? you mentioned something we've been talking about, whispering, or talking more overtly area the public outcry has been deafening. joe biden has been facing questions about his age throughout, donald trump has faced questions about hikñ warped perception of truth and reality for years. >> that's true. if you watch the last 20 minutes of the debate, donald trump had some crazy things to ç say. and joe biden, he was a different joe biden then showed up on the debate stage. even though the viewership numbers were relatively low, can you drink a little over 40 million, still a lot of people who watched it. i think they are fully aware of that. i will say, with all due act to the new york times, my bet is the campaign is printing those out and posting them around the headquarters is motivation. it is not in their view, especially the new york times, representative of the voters view. it's representative of the editorial board of the new york times. it's much more concerning to them if you see voters in georgia and wisconsin, in pennsylvania, and outcry running from joe biden. they are not seeing that at this point. i don't think they actually care ■ebout the editorial board >> okay. what about the damage control? it has extended across the country. of the dnc holding a conference call yesterday with members and also campaign officials. what are you hearing about that conversation? >> i think what they are trying to do is reach out to people and remind people. in the reporting, with the campaign officials are saying is a version of what the vice residence that the night of the debate, which is, slow start, better finish. that was a bad debate. it was in a good performance. but he has a great record to run on. that seems to be their argument. i think it's important that they are acknowledging. no one who watched with their eyes thought that was a good performance. no one should ■"e good performance, because that's not credible. i think their best argument here is about voters and the response from voters. we are going to see over the next couple of days ways how that looks. but there is good data points for them, that they raised a bunch of money, that they do have volunteers, that they haven't seen in these key states. it's going to be six states. they haven't seen voters run from joe biden. i talked to molly murphy earlier about the dials during the debate. they seem concerned about a number of donald trump comments during that debate. he also talked about issues people care about, and issues in a way that is aligned with most of the american public. donald trump had some crazy things to say during that debate. we can't all project upon the american public what they think. we don't know what they think until they tell us what they think. >> you are right.■ç i was watching your show, i heard you talk about the what if scenarios and a call for an open convention. would anything like that have been discussed yesterday? would someone had made that comment, and then you members of the ds be having to do that? we are not talking about that right now. we are talking about getting joe biden elected. >> i can't imagine anyone from the campaign raises that. i think dnc members might raise that. i think what's important for people to understand, there's lots of discussions and debates and conversations, as i think congressman raskin said earlier today. that is happening out there. an open convention or a brokered convention is not as neat and easy path, because it is just a couple thousand delegates deciding -- not the american public, who the nominee would be. ■ç and then there's the other factor. he is staying in the race. there's no indication that he's not. but what he not endorse his vice president? if he didn't, that would be pretty seismic, right? he endorses his vice president. this president clinton endorser? does brock obama endorser? does everybody still stay out of it? is it still divided? and who is spit out of that process may not be who people watching at home he wanted to be. and it's done by 4000 -- a couple thousand delegates. i think the point people need to understand is, it's not a west wing episode. there is a just an easy and smooth path, and make a decision. maybe that's to what they want to happen, and that is their choice, but it's not an easy and being. >> one more ?duqáurjrabout the second debate scheduled for september 10th. that is less than two months before election day. president biden says he is -- is the risk of a second bad performance worth the potential gain? could a strong debate effectively blunt the memories of the one we saw thursday? >> i think if you are the biden team, you have to do the second debate. i'm skeptical donald trump will do a second debate. but i think if you are the biden team, you got to do everything. not everything. you have to be selective about it. but a debate, certainly, you should do. >> okay. jen psaki. if you want to be on the show at the start of every single sunday, you certainly can. >> i love talking to you, alex. >> thank you so ■çmuch. for all of you, we invite you to watch inside with jen psaki sundays at noon and mondays at 11:00 eastern. the nation's first hurricane is making its way. hurricane beryl, just reaching now a category four. it is expected to reach the windward islands early monday morning. it's the earliest category four on record and the strongest storm ever to hit the windward islands. that hurricane is expected to bring life-threatening conditions, occluding 100 mile an hour winds and severe storm surge. early tomorrow, a hurricane warning is in effect for barbados, saint lucian, st. vincent, grenada, and tobago. we will keep watch on that one. by this time tomorrow we may finally have the answer to a question legal experts have been asking for months ■çnow. we are back in 90 seconds. all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. only purple's gel flex grid passes the raw egg test. talno other mattress cradlesr your body and simultaneously supports your spine. memory foam doesn't come close. get your best sleep guaranteed. save up to $800 during our 4th of july sale. visit purple.com or a store near you >> tomorrow, we >> tomorrow, we expect a landmark supreme court decision that could turn at ■çleast one donald trump's pending criminal trials upside down. on monday, the nation's highest court is poised to rule in the trump immunity case, which will determine if or to what extent trump is shielded from criminal liability in the federal election interference case. joining me now, nbc news justice reporter and office of sedition hunters -- how january 6th broke the justice system. welcome. look, much as been made of how long it has taken for this court to rule on this. is that an indication of what the ruling would be? >> just the fact that it has been delayed is already this humongous win for donald trump. this is sort of determining that, if donald trump loses, is are still going to be a trial? i think is what the most likely scenario that happens here is. you might have this idea of many trials happening before the election, meaning theru'" going to be hearings on potential -- on what exactly qualifies as an official act. that's one of the questions of the justices were looking very carefully at during the course of oral arguments, deciding what acts would be considered actions that he took as president or what would be considered actions but he took on behalf of this campaign on behalf of himself. i think that is something that is going to ultimately -- potentially make its way back to the judge. all of this really depends on what happens with the election. if donald trump is elected, these trials aren't going to happen. that's just the facts. he's going to order people at the justice department to shut this down. that's what's going to happen. november is really what determines what will ultimately happen with this trial. ■ç >> prior to the potential of donald trump getting elected and being able to manipulate things in the doj, how quickly to the effect of this ruling go into effect? >> it would be pretty quickly. the biggest thing that there's a caveat for, is whether or not -- a sickly, how they are going to instruct the judge to handle this. there is theoretically the potential that they could come back and say, okay, he has blanket immunity. very, very likely. the more likely scenario is probably going to be deciding what exactly those official acts were. she had these 88 days remaining on the original calendar before the trial was supposed to start. when this all started when donald trump was indicted in august of 2023, there was a seventh month preparation trial. so before this went to trial -- it was supposed to go and ■çmar originally. that's how much preparation she gave him. because the appeal has been put on pause, there are 88 days left. what the supreme court is likely to do is instruct the court to decide some of these questions of official acts, which then might add a little bit more time on this in addition to these 88 days appear trial prep. you know, very unlikely, certainly not happening before the election, but i could see a world in which the judge says, okay, we are setting a trial date for late november, potentially early december, or even somewhere around the anniversary of january 6th. that was originally what they had proposed. you know, this was supposed to happen last january originally, but that was put on pause. a lot of things up in the air. we will all be watching closely >> the georgia election interference case -- with this ruling have any bearing on that? >> it could, potentially. but i think this is dealing more with the question of immunity directly, rather. so of course, there's always the federal case against him in florida. they put that aside because the judge has delayed that so much. i think the immediate impact of that will have repercussions of across the board. but you know, those are state cases, so it's a little bit of a differen