>> i thought you were fantastic last night. >> thank you, i thought you were fantastic. it is a society of mutual admiration. >> it was great, thanks for doing that. >> thanks for saying that, that is very kind of you and that means a lot. i just want to say about the timing, because i can't let it go unsaid, the supreme court is also waiting to release■ç this immunity deal until july 1st, which is like the fourth of july holiday. and all i want to know is what flag is flying over the alito house at long beach island. anybody who lives on long beach island, please take a photo. the country needs to know. >> i know it is going to be flying. >> i bet there are a lot of other fights people are mocking up, too. have a good weekend, my friend. okay, if you were brave enough to open the new york times this morning and you turned to the opinion section, this is what you would have seen. thomas friedman, joe biden is a good man and a good president, he must bow out of the race. frank bruni: biden cannot go on like this. nicholas kristof: president biden, i have seen enough. and this evening, the entire editorial board of the new yorkç times published this op-ed: to serve his country, president biden should leave the race. mr. biden answered an urgent question on thursday night, it was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for, but if the risk of a second trump term is as great as he says it is, then his dedication to this country leaves him and his party only one choice. the clearest path for democrats to defeat a candidate defined by his lies is to deal truthfully with the american public: acknowledge that mr. biden can't continue his race and create a process to select someone more capable to stand in his place, it is the best chance to protect the soul of the nation and it is the best service that mr. biden can provide to a country that he has nobly served for so long. but at least for now, at least at this hour, ■çthe leaders of the democratic party are standing by this president. here is what house speaker america nancy pelosi and speaker hakeem jeffries and south carolina congressman jim clyburn had to say today. >> what you make of democrats calling for biden to step down? >> i don't know who is doing that. i am not doing it. >> after the debate performance last night, should you step aside? >> we should focus [ inaudible ] focus on substance . [ inaudible ] >> today, the president himself did his best to beat back the criticism at a rally in north carolina where, speaking from a teleprompter, he appeared more lively and more coherent than he did in ■çlast night's debate >> i don't walk as easy as i used to, i don't speak as loosely as i used to, i don't abate as well as i used to, but i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth. >> [ applause ] >> folks, i gave my word that i would not be running again if i didn't believe with all my heart and soul i can do this job. >> [ cheers and applause ] >> the stakes are too high. the stakes are too high. >> yes, you can. yes, you can. >> whatever happens here, president biden is certainly right about one thing. the stakes could not be higher. donald trump's authoritarian impulses and his radical right- wing agenda and rampant criminality ■çmake him the most dangerous presidential candidate in modern history. all of that was on display last night for anyone who cared to pay attention to it. >> you know what i did is i put three great supreme court justices on the court and they happened to vote in favor of killing roe v. wade and moving it back to the states. this is something that everybody wanted. they talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the capitol and in many cases, were ushered in by the police. what they have done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. what you have done, you have destroyed the lives of so many people. >> and right now, the project for which it donald trump is the figurehead, a conservative rollback of the last century of liberal democracy, is making serious strides&ç we saw even more stunning examples of that today when the supreme court's conservative majority and a down a ruling that experts say will dramatically affect the federal government's ability to enforce all kinds of laws and regulations. mark joseph stern writes: the supreme court is imposing a maga vision of the law on america, giving unelected judges near unfathomable power to override the policy choices of the democratic branches. through rulings mac dressed up in legalese, it strips power from the citizens and their elected representatives, establishing a monarchy called judiciary with no known limits on its own authority. at its core, this ruling effectively takes away power from the experts in our federal government, the environmental scientists, the food safety experts, the air ■fraffic control experts, it takes away power from all of those people to do their jobs, and then it hands that power to an unelected judiciary. it is a staggering win for conservatives and for the conservative project. but can biden and can democrats do anything about it? on that front, there is even more distressing news. short of a strong opponent to give donald trump a serious run for his money, perhaps the greatest threat to a second trump presidency strums federal criminal indictment for trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. and today, that, too, suffered a potentially significant setback. in a case brought by one of the january 6th writers, the court today issued a ruling significantly narrowing one of the ■çkey charges brought again trump and his mob, the charge of obstructing an official proceeding. that ruling could affect hundreds of cases brought by the justice department against january 6th writers. what impact it will have on the case brought against trump himself by special counsel jack smith, well, that remains unclear. that is if the case can even make it to trial. right now, that trial is effectively frozen as we await the court's decision on trump's absolute presidential immunity case. today, the court signaled that it will hand down that decision on monday, july 1st. right in time for the fourth of july holiday. happy independence day. the best case scenario here is that there will be no fit for criminal trial before the selection, that is the best case scenario. which means that anyone looking to stop donald trump and to ■ç secure the fate of american democracy and the games made in the last century on civil rights and social progress and to ensure a more equitable and stable future for this country and this planet is now dependent on a democrat to stop donald trump. and right now, that person remains president joe biden. joining us now is julian castro, secretary of urban housing and development and a former presidential contender. secretary castro, should joe biden still be the nominee? >> well, i think that in all likelihood, joe biden is going to be the nominee. here's the thing, if -- in 2024ç he has had a strong record as president, he has done a lot of great things he can be proud of and move the country forward, he beat donald trump in 2020. it is 2024, it is not 2020, and we saw that last night. the challenge in terms of changing course at this point is that this didn't happen overnight. democrats got walked into this at several junctures over the last two years. the democratic establishment basically cut off anybody that thought about running against joe biden, cut off the potential for debate, so that the public could have other options in front of them. you know, vendors or consultants that thought about perhaps another candidate, they got the message that, look, your career is going to be blackballed, so this ■çisn't a decision that was created by one debate performance, it was greeted by two years of turning a blind eye to what in polling, the public could clearly see, it was the result basically of enforced ignorance. and that is what the democrats are dealing with now. unfortunately, with only four months left in the cycle, joe biden would have to step aside. he would have to choose at the convention to allow his delegates to go on a different direction. he is the only one that can make the decision to do that, without the alternative, a process that is so bloody, that is so messy, that would probably put us in a worse position than having joe biden just run and be benign many. >>■ç i do wonder if there's eve any deliberations going on, what you think the potential cost is in terms of not just the election, but the biden presidency. the republicans are now invoking the 25th amendment, saying joe biden isn't fit to lead, and marco rubio told me yesterday evening, it is harmful to his candidacy, but it is potentially harmful to this country. you think that is an overstatement? do you worry about any of the real-world implications of any of this right now? >> here is the irony, it's the republicans who have a candidate who is a serial liar, who is a convicted felon, who is a danger to our democracy. on the other side, you have joe biden who is a good man, who has a strong record as president,■ç who is honest, but he is the one getting accused by these disingenuous republicans of being a threat to our democracy. the world turned upside down, but again, democrats have become susceptible to this, because of essentially an enforce silence and turning a blind eye to what i think the public could see for a long time. i don't think that senator rubio is pressed for a push for the 25th amendment to be invoked is going to go anywhere. this is the same kind of hyperbole, smear job that we see republicans do on president biden and other democrats all the time. this is what they do. this is about all they are good at at this point as a party. but it is more noise for voters, and you have a lot of low propensity voters and folks that don't take in a lot of information, and they know whatç they see on the screen, though. and what they saw on the screen last night doesn't give them confidence in the president. texas secretary julian castro, thank you for your time and your thoughts tonight, i know this is not an easy question. joining us now in new york is ben rose, former national security advisor to president obama. you know, this is complicated, right? and i think anybody who watched what happened last night who has a heart and who understands what president biden has done for the country was pained to watch the performance, but i kind of wonder where you have landed on this in the 24 hours since. >> yeah, it has been a difficult 24 hours. i think there are two things that we have to acknowledge up front, right? first is donald trump remains just as unfit and disho'st and dangerous as he was 24 hours ago. and actually, he demonstrated that himself, lying through the debate, stirring up serious division in this country, saying things that would have been unthinkable in a presidential debate two election cycles ago. it remains true that joe biden has spent decades serving this country, as honorable intentions, has done a good job as president, but we can't unseat what we saw, right? which is a really meandering debate performance that not only failed to put to rest the doubts about his capacity to do four years in the office, but kind of reinforced some of those doubts. and so, to me, it is a moment where people need to take stock, candidly, and precisely because the stakes are so high, precisely because donald trump is so dangerous.■ç >> and the movement he represents is so dangerous and seemingly successful. >> as you saw in the supreme court, that is a manifestation of the stakes. four more years, two more judges maybe. we don't know exactly, he got three last time, right? so, the question now is some people say.raises questions as we just have to focus on beating trump. look, if it ends up joe biden is the nominee out of the convention, i think everybody who cares about this democracy has to do everything they can to help him win this election and defeat donald trump. but because the debate was so early, at the biden campaign's request, in june, i think it is wholly appropriate to take stock and they should be having conversations in the white house about do we think we can do this, do we think this is the best way to try to defeat donald trump? ■ç they should be having those conversations. alex, you know, everybody in your life, i'm sure, and mine, people who don't follow politics are asking these questions now, and that is okay. because if we are all going to try to come together to save this democracy, we need to make sure we are putting our best foot forward here. and i think that is a process, as difficult as it is, is currently playing out in opinion pages and text threads and living rooms across this country. >> yeah. i was struck, though, and i agree with you, it is time for a gut check and a really profoundly existential fashion. but i was struck by this reporting we have from gabe gutierrez, who tweeted this evening: a biden a.i.d.s. defined response to the new york times editorial calling for biden to step down, this stuff is like jet fuel in my veins, i love it. i mean --■ç you know what it's like to be a cipher under siege. this is different, though, that bunker mentality feels like a real disservice to the country, i mean, in my opinion. >> no, i agree with that, because look, the question they have to answer -- joe biden was out there today, he was great, that was a good answer to the question about age. it was an answer he couldn't get them last night. if you can do that, if they think he can get there out every day -- a barack obama had a terrible debate in 2012. he is taking his case across country. the question that they have to answer is, for the next four months, with everything on the line, can joe biden go out and make this case to people? the enemy is not the new york times. what they have to recognize is■ people raising these questions, including the new york times, because they want to be trump. it is not because they have concerns about they don't like joe biden or something, it is precisely because as the times said in an editorial, they care so much about defeating donald trump that they feel the need to raise these questions. the advice i give, i have been in the bunker, i think i probably yelled at you, alex, when i was in the bunker. >> it's okay. >> we are still friends, right? i have done all those things. but this is not the right approach, to kind of school people and dismiss people. and accuse people of not caring about beating trump. no, we all care about this. and frankly, they need to be doing this, you know, if they're going to stick with ■ç this, they have got to wrap their arms around everybody and say, let's do this together, instead of making the enemy the media or people that they don't like, things they see online. this is the coalition, this is the democracy coalition. and attacking your own coalition is not the right way to go here. >> i have to ask you when you talk about the coalition, there was a headline in the dark times, i think it was monday or tuesday, about the ron and their belief about what was going to unfold in november. the former president trump's victory in the 2024 white house race is a foregone conclusion. the urgent question facing iranian voters as they go to the polls on friday, they say, is who is best suited to deal with trumpet in the atlantic, saying most of western europe believes trump will win in november. i am sure netanyahu believes certain things about who will win in november as well. there are key things, the global community is watching this and the global ■=55u9%qe was probably watching last night or looked at the headlines today. what are the implications. you understand america's role in the world. >> yeah, i think what people forget -- i have been in europe and asia in the last few months, and it is widely believed that that is the case there. and actually, i was making the case to them, it is going to come down to a few states, it is going to be close, it is going to matter how it ends. i think the challenge, to your question, though, is mainly around people like netanyahu and putin. the people that have a tremendous amount of interest in wanting donald trump to win. and having a capacity to affect global events in ways, whether it is election interference in this country from russia or whether it is the nature of how the conflict grows in gaza, netanyahu is coming herq4in a month, what he says in front of congress. i do think that wanting to watch that is worrying to me is particularly what these two leaders, netanyahu and putin, but there are others as well who have some influence on how things look around the world, what they can do to be spoilers here. and that is just another reality we are going to have to contend with. >> it is going to be a long road. >> we can do this, that is the thing, but we have to do it openly, candidly, and honestly. that is the point i am making. we can't just kind of pretend there are no problems and trump is definitely going to lose. you have to run a campaign like you are afraid of losing, not like you are sure you're going to win. we did that in the obama campaign, even though he was up all the time. and that is the mentality i ■ç think we need to see, not a bunker mentality, but an inclusive, momentum building mentality, and the willingness to ask really hard questions, including what is the best way to put our best foot forward as a party? 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