>> i'm wondering what one or two of your most favored bible verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. the bible means a lot to me but i don't want to get into specifics. >> even to cite a verse you like. >> i don't want to do that. >> old testament or new testament? >> probably equal. >> remember when trump, a self professed big fan of the bible, could not name a single bible verse. now he's backing the idea of displaying the ten commandments in taxpayer funded public schools. could he name eve one of those commandments and hasn't he broken lvery one of them. >> also, surprise, the supreme court sides with the biden administration on a major gun case, but there is still silence on presidential immunity as time begins to run out for a trump january 6th trial before election day. but we begin tonight with the warning brought to us earlier this week from activist and documentarian lauren windsor. in a secret reporting from a march event at mar-a-lago, lauren's colleague got this admission from longtime trump adviser roger stone on how they plan to steal this year's election. >> what stops them from just voter fraud? >> in some states, it will be easier to stop. in other places, it won't. but at least this time, when they do it, you have a lawyer and a judge, his home phone number, standing by so you can stop it. we made no preparations last time, none. >> according to stone, they believe they have some lawyers and judges in their pockets on speed dial, ready to go at a moment's notice. trump appointed nearly 250 federal judges during his presidency. i don't necessarily want to impugn their integrity, but if you're wondering why stone and trump might have this belief, all you need do is look at the federal election interference trial in florida. and how trump apointed judge aileen cannon has been handling the case. just today, we saw a mini trial play out in her ft. pierce florida courtroom, but she was not trying trump. she essentially put special counsel jack smith on trial instead. that's because she's yet again awarded trump a hearing on one of his far reaching and far fetched motions to dismiss the entire case against him on the argument that smith's appointment by attorney general merrick garland without senate confirmation was unconstitutional. and if you're wondering why such a hearing would appear to indicate cannon is showing trump uncommon favor it's because federal courts have repeatedly rejected efforts just like this one for decades. like when the supreme court upheld the appointment of one of the special prosecutors who investigated president richard nixon during the watergate scandal. it was also the case when federal courts tossed out the same arguments against robert mueller's appointment as special counsel in the investigation of trump's relationship with russia. and against david weisz, who brought two criminal cases against president biden's son hunter. and yet, cannon has decided despite those precedents, the trump filing still warranted a days-long hearing when she could have just read the legal briefs and issued a ruling like many experienced judges said they would have done. adding to the bizarre nature of today's hearing is the fact she did not just hear just from the prosecution and defense, she also allowed outside parties to argue before her about whether smith's appointment was constitutional. we're told by legal experts that this never happens. there is no reason to bring in outside parties who have no relevance to the case. again, showing cannon's inexperience handling cases like this, or her preference to trump. one or the other. might also explain reporting by "the new york times" that shortly after cannon was assigned the case last year, two more experienced judges on the federal bench in florida urged her to decline and give it to another judge. according to the times, that included the chief judge in the southern district of florida. and it was done not only for the optics given her history with the case, but also because of the logistics that included the fact that the miami courthouse already had a secure facility to view the classified documents that are at issue in the case, rather than having to build one at her ft. pierce courthouse at taxpayer expense. of course, cannon refused to give it up, and ever since, she's slow walked the case, agreeing to hold hearings on trump's absurd motions, but then taking her sweet time in delivering any rulings. next week, cannon will also entertain trump's motion to toss out the damning memos from his lawyer evan corcoran, that put trump dead to rights on the obstruction charges. his lawyers' claim they should have never been given to prosecutors on the crime fraud exception to begin with. as nbc news point out, by continuing to require hours of court time for nearly every matter of dispute, cannon, a trump appointee, has played right into trump's strategy of trying to delay a trial in this case until after the election. that could not be made any clearer by the fact that last month, cannon indefinitely postponed the trial with no start date in sight. if all of that was not bizarre enough, from the courts today, we also saw the supreme court take a moment to say hold my beer, or maybe that was just justice brett kavanaugh. because today, trump's former adviser steve bannon asked the highest court to take up his case and keep him out of prison while he appeals his conviction on contempt of congress charges for defying the subpoena lawfully issued to him by the january 6th select committee. bannon is set to report to prison in ten days. instead of just tossing out the request as they do to hundreds of petitions, they're showing signs of at least considering it by asking the justice department to respond to bannon's request by next wednesday. joining me now is katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show on msnbc. david jolly, former republican congressman and msnbc political analyst, and dave aronberg, state attorney for palm beach county, florida. our two lawyers, although i'm assuming david may be a lawyer, too. is there any reason you can think of why the supreme court would not just toss this and would ask the justice department to respond in any way? >> it's baffling because the appeals court has already dealt with the issue vis-a-vis whether or not bannon's conviction would stand. so i'm a little confused as to why they're kind of saying the doj has to participate in it, but ultimately, as we can see, joy, he still has to report. i mean, the clock is ticking for steve bannon to report on july 1st. he's tried the hail marys. they haven't worked. having them do this is just an exercise in futility for steve bannon. >> your thoughts, dave. it does seem odd. you have to go to jail, man. there's no american other than i guess donald trump and maybe steve bannon that could say, no, i'm not ready to go to jail. supreme court, hook me up. >> i agree with katie. it is so bizarre. you know, judge nichols, a trump appointee, gave bannon a gift when he allowed bannon to stay out pending his appeal. there's a novel argument, maybe he'll succeed on his appeal, on his advice of counsel defense. garbage, peter navarro was in the same situation and was sent right to jail. he had a different judge, not judge nichols, a trump appointee. now the supreme court is going to weigh in. i don't see an explanation, a reason for it, just because they ask for paperwork, for briefs, doesn't mean they're going to do it. if they did it, i think that would be unconscionable. there's no reason to do so. >> david jolly, let me remind everybody of why the january 6th committee wanted to hear from steve bannon. there's a good reason why, and it's him, the thing he said on january 5th, 2021. here it is. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it's all converging and now we're on, as we say, the point of attack. the point of attack tomorrow. i'll tell you this, it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. it's going to be quite extraordinarily different, and all i can say is strap in. >> david jolly, if you were still in congress and on the january 6th committee, wouldn't you want to know why he said that? >> sure, look, there's credible reason to believe steve bannon contributed to violence on january 6th, 2021, and there's reason to believe he's trying to stoke violence again with this rhetoric and words. here's the stupidest part of the entire thing with steve bannon. all he had to do to stay out of jail was to reply to the subpoena. didn't have to answer any questions. all he had to do is say okay, i'll show up and now i'm not going to answer your questions. he didn't do tat. look, he's dug his own grave here, enjoy prison, it's going to be a long haul. >> he could have pleaded the fifth. you can always plead that, but you have to show up. let's go to aileen cannon. this is what has happened, katie, in every single one of the cases against donald trump. the people putting him on trial wind up on trial. jack smith, they argued his appointment was unconstitutional. fani willis, they tried to disqualify her by humiliaing her about her relationship. judge juan merchan, they tried to recuse him. judge lewis kaplan, who ruled against his businesses. they claimed alina habba claimed false allegations of a mentor/mentee relationship, she made those allegations between the judge and e. jean carroll's lawyer. judge arthur engoron -- in his business, the case against his businesses, demanded he recuse himself from the new york civil fraud case and accused him of engaging in prohibited communications. they put the lawyers on trial, the prosecutors on trial. they have been successful at dragging them through these processes. >> yeah, you know, when it comes to memes, one of my favorite ones is the lord grant me the confidence. i want the lord grand me the confidence of a mediocre trump appointed judge. that's what you get with the iline canon situation. when it comes to all the other judges that are not putting their finger on the scale for donald trump, what you're seeing is let's throw everything on the wall. there is a legal theory, call the spaghetti theory. you throw everything on the wall, and you see what sticks. when you try to go against the prosecution or the judges and you allege bias or some type of partisan action that's being taken by the judicial system, that then rigs the outcome, right? when donald trump is convicted, he can just point to that and say, well, judge merchan was biased or d.a. alvin bragg had it in for me because bragg is racist, how that works i have no idea. when you do that, you can try to end run the legal outcome of a judicial system, and that gives you the cover you need for your less educated lower valued voters that are going to buy into that saying that there's no way this outcome could have occurred other than something being wrong with the prosecutors or the judges in the case. >> dave, let's talk about aileen cannon specifically. she has a tendency to rule in donald trump's favor. she's done it before. some other judges that are more senior to her saw her past history with the cases and said maybe you should recuse. you're not experienced. your court would have to be outfitted with these special scifs. she still took the case. what she's doing with the case, it makes it very suspicious that she wanted the case for a very specific reason, to stuff it into a watery grave. your thoughts. >> joy, judge cannon was humiliated last year when the conservative 11th circuit court of appeals took her off the case and reversed her when she got involved in the special master thing. this is her idea of redemption. she wants this case back. she wants to prove she can do it. but her decisions have left us all scratching our heads. i benignly will say it's because of her inexperience. she's left alone in the ft. pierce courthouse without any adult supervision. but i understand why a lot of people think it's lot worse, something more nefarious, when a referee gives the calls to the same team over and over again at the expense of the other team, you have a right to ask those questions. she's going to stick to the case. the fact she rejected the quest of the senior judges there including the chief judge, that's judicial chutzpah. that's a technical legal term that we use in the law. >> i mean, also, the thing is, i want to read some of the threats. the thing is, david, she is the one who has been exempted from this horrible treatment that we have seen of everyone involved in prosecuting donald trump. let's go to manhattan d.a. alvin bragg. a series, a stream of threats. and he's asked to extend the gag order because of them. the threats have included, they were logged in 2024, language, we will kill you all. you should be in witness protection. you're dead. your life is done. rip. the threat cases were also logged for a post, saying sniper sites on people involved in the case or a family member of such a person and a post disclosing the home address of a d.a. office employee. another threat logged on april 15th, 2024, was a bomb threat to the residences of two people involved in the case. april 15th was the first day of the trial. these are just the threats he's gotten at his office, and it's been a stream of them. and alvin bragg is not the only one. fani willis has gotten them. everyone involved, every judge, every prosecutor has been threatened physically. aileen cannon is alone as being sort of in a bubble of, you know, protection from the maga base. >> yeah, because she's in the bag, if not because there was a transaction, because she's incompetent, and look, i think you can look at the different inflection points of her rulings and realize she's in over her head. she really doesn't know how to handle this case. she should have recused herself, and she didn't. what you're seeing in the violent threats to other judges, and in donald trump's motions is the strategy that's been in front of us for several months. delay as much as you can. the more insidious elements are going to create intimidation. here's the silver lining we often don't talk about, it's this. if joe biden beats donald trump in november, none of these delays actually matter to the disposition of these cases because he will remain citizen trump. and although some of these rulings and trials might happen next year, the january 6th one, for instance, citizen trump is still going to face trial and face accountability regardless of the delays. that is why this question in november is so important. if we want justice to be had for donald trump, joe biden needs to beat donald trump in november, and the american people need to realize that. >> it's a fair point. katie, talk to me about the actual hearings today. substantively, what happened, and what seemed to have been the point? >> you heard from emile bove, that name sounds familiar. we saw him with todd blanche representing donald trump in the manhattan d.a.'s election interference case. bove arguing on behalf of donald trump telling judge cannon that the unconstitutional appointment of jack smith merits the dismissal of the indictment wholesale against donald trump, stating that the reliance upon united states against nixon when other jurisdictions and judges said it is okay to have a special counsel, bove saying you can't rely upon nixon because it's not precedent. it's not the actual holding from the case, just language from the opinion, and that basically all of these judges have gotten it wrong. now, of course, special counsel's counsel gets up and says, his name is james pearson. he said this is real precedent. the irony is this, you had donald trump's lawyers complaining that there's no, quote, oversight over jack smith. she's too independent, yet, we all know if there was more interfacing between jack smith and merrick garland, you would have complaint from donald trump there was too much coordination and merrick garland is just controlling jack smith like a puppeteer. what was fascinating today is you had friends of the court that the filed briefs that judge cannon accepted, got them filed on the docket, and lawyers, two for donald trump, one against donald trump in support of jack smith. this never happens. they don't come to court and open court and argue positions. they can file the briefs if they're accepted by the court, but to have these lawyers come in today was astounding. it doesn't happen. i want to emphasize this. the fact that cannon is doing it, it's either because she does need an education, which i would be embarrassed to get in real time, but it's either she doesn't know what's going on and needs the education or she's doing it because she things the farce of looking like she's being impartial is going to be supported by it. either way, four hours, joy, was spent on a basic motion, but only a part of the motion. the second half is dealt with on monday in the morning. >> aileen cannon is going to judge school at taxpayer expense and holding up a trial to do it. this is madness. katie phang, david jolly, dave aronberg, thank you all very much. lord help. up next on "the reidout," a stunner from the supreme court on gun rights. as we keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting on the totally obvious presidential immunity decision. stay with us. heartburn makes you queasy? get fast relief with new tums+ upset stomach & nausea support, and love food back. 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