with president biden and several actual movie stars in hollywood as george clooney and julia roberts, jimmy kimmel, and more were all part of this big campaign event and fundraiser raising over $30 million. that's actually a record-breaking amount for a single event by biden. obama juggling father's day celebrations. we couldn't resist a chance to share a little bit of that. i think, james, we can agree with the importance of family on a weekend like this, but he juggled that with the campaign business. this event did raise money, but it's also trying to raise awareness about the general election. the democrats think the more people they can wake up to the choice of trump and the threat of trump earlier the better. obama's one of the party's most popular messengers, and he used this appearance, his first since trump's conviction, to argue that a jury convicted donald trump of a crime and that matters and that conservatives should reject this republican party, insisting on continue to offer only as its choice for november a felon candidate. >> we have the spectacle of nominee of one of the two major parties sitting in court and being convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 counts. what i would say and what i do say to a bunch of good people out there who are conservatively predisposed who may not agree with everything that joe or i or other democrats stand for is that there was a time when we had certain core values that we agreed with. >> that's obama. meanwhile, the president seized on the wave of decisions and scandals at the supreme court. >> the next president is likely to have two new supreme court nominees. two more. two more. he's already appointed two that have been very negative in terms of the rights of individuals. the idea that if he's reelected he's going to appoint two more flying flags upside down, the supreme court has never been as out of kilter as it is today. >> that was good company for biden, and it was, of course, a high impact event as the president preps for next week's debate with candidate and felon trump. joining us now promised is james carville, legendary democratic strategist. i'll bring you to the debate. >> okay. >> but before i do, your thought big picture what they got done there. >> i think something important is they need to interject new information. 26 women have credibly accused trump of sexual improprieties with them. now, how many jurors where there that found him? the tendency is, it was this, no, no, no, you did not know that. you also did not -- we know the supreme court had the dobbs decision, but the public doesn't know that trump bragged on it. he said, i was the one that appointed them. so i think watching the debate any time you can get new information in there, then you hit it. you can tell people what they already know, that's great. they don't know 26 different women have come forward. i wish you would bring all 26 of them to the debate, but that's difficult to do. >> you're talking about using that to get spite the bloodstream. >> get it into the bloodstream. >> when you look at these debates, this is next week, so people who don't follow as closely as news viewers, they're going to realize, here's the debate. i wanted to mention for folk, the new rule, next week, it will be different. no opening statements. two minutes to answer each questions. red lights visible when time expires. in a big win for the biden campaign given trump is a rule breaker, the other candidate who's not speaking will be muted when it's not their turn. now, that in theory applies to both of them, but more practically having to wait your turn to speak is something that will affect trump's style of debate if you want to call it. there were a lot of interruptions last time. >> i'm not going to answer the question because -- >> why would you answer the question? >> the question -- >> -- radical left -- >> would you shut up, man? >> something he might have wanted to say for a long time. that was then speaking at the time the president. they did get progress on these rules. will that matter or what will matter next week. >> if i was a gambler, and i am a gambler, i take even money trump's not showing up. >> you don't think trump's coming next week? >> i don't know, but i think he's going to wake up and decide just like he said he was going to testify at his defense in his trial. he didn't even put on a defense. let him show up. i wouldn't be shocked, but i certainly would not be surprised if you gave me even money, i'd say he's a no show. >> you've been around these campaigns, everything is the way it is until it isn't. >> okay. >> this commission used to run it, and that was like you had to deal with it. and the biden campaign said they had to go around them to get the terms they wanted, was that smart? >> i think so. if the debate goes off and the president does well and interjects new information into the bloodstream, you're going to say that it's worth it. now, if the debate goes off and he doesn't do well, you're going to say it was a mistake. but i was happy -- i'm happy that they're doing it. it's unusual. it's june, you usually don't start them until september. but the world is not the same as it used to be. you just got to adapt to it. but i'm glad they're doing it, and i think he's going to -- you know, i think they're going to have god prep. they have good people prepping the president, but i'm still skeptical that trump shows up. >> that's interesting, i haven't heard that much, why do you think biden and the democrats feel getting this going early is so vital? >> i learned in israel, the hebrew word for it. we're stuck. i look at the poll with averages. i look where we were. we have all this new information that comes in. i think the president needs this in any event. i think he can really, you know, score, on the supreme court particularly. i think that's an issue we're winning elections on, and you've got to drive it home that he is appointing people that don't believe in an inherent right to privacy and don't believe the supreme court should operate under ethics enforced gift ban. and he cannot hit that hard enough. if you don't have a gift ban by the june 21, 2025, we're not going to propagate any money. we're not funding any branch of government that operates under its own rules. >> that's not even a partisan point, although the way the right wing has defended them, it can feel they're pro-corruption or pro-gift, but like you said, you got a salary a pension, and unfortunately, these day what is you need, security extras there at the court. great, why do you need gifts from a republican donor who has a signed hitler book in his house? >> a private in the army operates under some government or cabinet secretary. everybody in the united states government, including president biden, has regulations on gifts they can take. for good reason. $4 million worth of gifts. alito goes on a g 5 to alaska and says there was an empty seat on the plane. i was kind of hitchhiking and this guy comes up and says, hey, you need a ride to a fancy fishing lot. how's a teacher going to tell a third grader you got to fess up and tell the truth if the supreme court justice can't? >> that's fair. it's not all rainbows and sunshine here. >> no. >> you mentioned to me when you sat down today you're coming up on the big 80. >> yeah. >> we love that, we want you to get 80, 90, 100, all. without ageism but with reality, you've got two older candidates here, i want to get you on this. reagan faced it, these are the two oldest candidates ever. biden has an ad emphasizing that he and trump are of a similar age, just three years difference. we saw the scenes at the big l.a. event. some of the attendees were focused on what was happening in the reality of it, but there were partisans who repeated a pattern we're seeing more often, they're taking selectively edited clips usually of joe biden, and they try to raise questions or outright defame him and saying he's having a health episode he's not having. this draws clicks, headlines, some of the videos so misleading they have gotten fact checked. i'm going to show you something now that you don't usually see, which is fox news having someone on fox news call out misleading coverage on fox news. brand new howard curts criticizing his company for the misleading coverage of those clips i mentioned which happened across fox and the new york post. >> the rnc posted a misleading video titled what is biden doing, and that wound up on the cover of the new york post. >> during a parachute demonstration biden got dazed and confused, how shocking, and started to just, you know, wander off. sdmro why would the new york post, owned by fox's sister company, or anyone follow the rnc's lead when he was actually -- when the president actually was just giving the thumbs up to this parachuter? >> i've been doing howard since '92. kind of an honest guy. an influential guy. it's true, what he said is just undeniable. and you're going to have that kind of stuff. and if biden's asked about his age, the american people watch 90 minutes of this, they can evaluate this on their own. they don't need me to help him. they know they're both about the same age, they can look. >> what about the campaign politics of it? because you know about ads, you know about repetition, you know about all the campaigns you've worked. the methods have changed, right, we have more tools, internet, but the fundamentals are the same, repetition works, whether it's true or false, unfortunately. it seems that in this environment, james, we just showed the fact check and yet as a campaign biden's folks have to deal with apparently more than trump. apparently this information mess, which is different, again, than what i said, which is voters can ask about age, like they did on reagan, on both candidates. >> let's give credit here, people have corrected this. there's a lot out there saying this. you're not -- they're not interested in accurate information. the people that do that. i think president biden just needs to -- everybody knows they can judge both of us right here. there's 90 minutes, god willing we'll have 90 more minutes in september where i think we owe it to people to stand up here for 90 minutes and do this. and then they can judge themselves. >> yeah. >> they don't need help from fox news or the new york post to make determinations about who's old enough or young enough to serve the united states. i think it's a losing argument. i think complaining to "the new york times" about covering age is just a dead loser, because everybody knows it and just deal with it. >> yeah, it's interesting. well, that is kind of a rebuttal you're saying, which is, hey, you got the state of the union, a 9046 minute debate a president going around the world doing meetings, so look at the whole picture. you've agreed to stay around. we've got a 90-second break, and then back with more james carville. then back with more jame carville boring. think about it. boring is the unsung catalyst for bold. what straps bold to a rocket and hurtles it into space? 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(kev) ... i guess we're movin'. we are back covering barack obama's return to the campaign trail for joe biden last night. james carville is here. obama stressed trump's felony conviction last night, and that event is moving from the news, which the whole world absorbed and covered, into a biden campaign ad. >> count 33 and 34, guilty. found guilty on all 34 felony counts. >> the breaking news, donald trump guilty in the so-called hush money criminal trial. >> in the historic conviction, former president donald trump -- >> the first former president of the united states convicted on criminal charges. >> it took a jury less than ten hours to find mr. trump guilty. >> in the courtroom we see donald trump for who he is. he's been convicted of 34 felony, found liable for sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud. this election is between a convicted criminal who's only out for himself and a president who's fighting for your family. >> that's the ad. it's part of a $50 million campaign. there are signs this is a weak point for biden. about a fifth of independents say they're less likely to support -- i should say a problem for trump, because a fifth of independents say they're less likely to support donald trump given conviction. you were just saying, james, that you've got to give people the new information. there you saw the sandwich, they had the conviction with the other stuff. how much is this the biden campaign's messaging, is it negative, and do you have to move past it?. >> i would give that ad an a for execution, a b for messaging. because i'm not getting anything i didn't know. i didn't know there were 26 women who credibly accused him. i didn't know that the trump tax cut to up exporation in 2025 and president biden has said we're going to reinstall them over $400,000. we think we knew that he told the big oil companies that for a billion dollars you can write your own plan, but guess what, not everyone knows that. so i'm just saying i value new information. >> mm-hmm. >> over devastating defamation that everybody knows. and hopefully we can get some of that during the debate to start a real discussion here, because there are a lot of god issues that are coming up, the tax cuts, the subsidies for healthcare are coming up, so there's some real opportunity there. >> do you think in the debate next week then the conviction is something that biden leans into and brings up to say what are we doing here with a felon? or again, you've got to move past it. >> 12 members of your community found you guilty of 34 different felony, i'm not here to repeat 34 different felonies -- did i just say found him guilty, i guess i did say that. we did know you've been found liable, half a billion dollars, but i don't want to dwell on the past. i want to project to the future. >> right. damning with a little review. >> you've got to be a little -- you can have a little fun with it. because what you're saying is accurate. and i'm more interested not in your past conviction, i'm interested what's going to happen to these tax cuts. what are we going to do? we're talking about a lot of money, i want to put it back on people. i want to start a first-time home buyer's relief fund, because i can see the people struggling with high interest rates to buy homes and see if they have a future. signal to people you understand what's going on in l.a. >> yeah. >> and they'll know trump's convicted. >> the other thing that's going on -- and we've discussed this in a number of ways -- is a malaise kind of a negativity that's out there, maybe it's post-pandemic, we've called it the vibe session on the economic front where there is a rebound but not everyone is thinking it's happening for, and then you have this polling showing people aren't excited about either candidate. "the washington post" now telling biden that rejecting the polls and relying on these other things, vibes, is political malpractice. they have biden at 38. new numbers show a quarter of americans view both these candidates negatively. a majority want other choices. politically is that something that you acknowledge? do you say, okay, it's not exactly morning in america, or do you just push past it? >> i read the same editorial, and i for the most part agreed with it. >> you agreed with it. >> and i'm not a person that's prone to agree with ed foirl writers or, you know, something like that, but it's right. and you can say that all of these polls are all saying the same thing. i mean there was a bad poll in iowa tonight who i know is a competent pollster. you're not going to win arguing about the polls. what you can win, you can change. if you can pick up 40% of that, you're coming home with some big numbers at that point. but i think arguing about the polls -- i think the pollster's right. it's not a fight you're going to win. >> you might get another one of your biden white house phone call, who knows? >> maybe so. >> i got one for more you. >> sure. >> when i worked back on capitol hill, there was a great emphasis on independence. you were a co-equal branch and sometimes you did the political thing and other times you did what congress needed to do to stand up for the prerogatives of congress. that seems to be dead for maga republicans. speaker johnson used to warn about trump, used to talk about constitutional law, but he's down there campaigning with, of course, and meeting with donald trump. we can show some of that. the visit just days after trump and johnson met up with everyone on capitol hill, which was his first time trump back there since january 6th. johnson, of course, also made the pilgrimage to the courthouse where donald trump was convicted of those felonies we mentioned. i'm just curious of your views as someone who's lived in past half century or more of history, james, is congress at least under the republicans, is it just not even a dependent branch anymore and should anyone care? >> there's no republican, it's a trump cult. the republican party that i knew, all right, that people knew of, rob portman, bob caulker, even dick cheney, they no longer exist. and mike johnson is literally part of a cult. the bad news is you're not going to change maga's mind. the good news is there's not enough maga for trump to win with. he's got to get kind of traditional republicans who generally come out and vote republican to kind of stick with him. if the president peels them off -- and worry about those. tell these maga people anything you want. they don't care. they're not moving, but there are not enough of them to win a general election in this country. >> mm-hmm. >> and they're not growing, if anything, the actual tables are not their friend. but mike johnson is not even a republican in any sense of the word. he's a maga theocrat, that's about it. >> we say, oh, this word means this thing, republican means this, you're just saying forget it. >> forget it. they're not there. they know they don't have a party anymore. they have a personality cult, but again, the 22% of voters in republican primaries are voting for a candidate that's dropped out. they are uncomfortable with trump. tell these people, you can do this one time. and four years from now, there'll be less of them. >> right. and that rejection wave, right that towards that. that makes sense. james carville, on many topics, thanks for being here. we'll see you again in this 2024 season. coming up, the fact check on this maga talking point about a big issue. and a report on this right wing propaganda that's using videos to try to indoctrinate students all over the country. six states now and counting. we have a fact check on that. how trump's allies are being held accountable. why rudy giuliani is losing his homes, that's next. i is losing hi homes, that's next because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infecti