all right, that's going to do it for us tonight. >> in europe, the generations old fear of the far right appears to be slipping. that is the top line from this week's eu elections. setting to retain power and radical right parties will now make up the second biggest block in the european parliament. in germany, a blow to u.s. ally after the anti-immigration and anti-muslim party alternative for germany beat his social democratic party in last week's vote. that was after the parties lead candidate sparked a major scandal saying last month that the members were not necessarily criminals. in france, right wing's national party delivered a defeat the french leader responded by calling for a stop election. a risky move that could inflict further losses. both personally and for the president's party. the news overseas, mainly sparked headlines here at home speculate over what the far right victory could mean for our elections in november. theorizing that the blocked success could forecast a donald trump win in november however if you ask the atlantic there is quite a few problems with that prediction. according to her, trump isn't america's version, in fact much worse. while europe's right wing is fueled by similar kind of naturalist fervor, the success of their politicians is marked by their appearance to tact to the center. as applebaum points out, while their goals may be more secretly radical they are succeeding by hiding that radicalism from voters. the same though cannot be said for donald trump. quote, the former president is not talking to the center and he is not trying to appear less confrontational. on the controversy he is sounding more extreme, unhinged and more dangerous and perhaps the most dangerous distinguish the ex-president attack on democracy. a harvard political scientist and co-author of how democracy i told the associate press that it stands in contrast quote they are much less openly authoritarian than trump and none of these guys have rejected election results. the real risk is not that we could follow europe's lead could follow hours. after steve bannon was pushed out of the white house the x trump adviser made it his mission to bring trumpism to europe and entangling across the continent. even planning to turn a former monastery in italy to a gladiator school for populace leaders. that project was shuttered due to legal issues earlier this year and bannon told political he plans to reopen the will adding, the reboot would be launched by the inauguration of the second trump presidency. that kind of ambassador preaching overseas is no surprise that views of our country's democracy are souring abroad. they say although the u.s. used to be a good example to follow, it no longer is. so as applebaum warns, quote we aren't in danger of falling european loaders in an extremist direction because we are already well past that. if trump wins in november, america could radicalize europe , not the other way around. let's discuss is now with the professor he of history and michelle goldberg the columnist at the new york times. it is great to have both of you with this. ruth, your reaction to the european elementary election results. calling this a win for the far right too simplistic in your mind? >> i mean, i am the last person to under s may the gravity of major countries like france and germany having such gains in the far right. and this is both the appeal of those politicians. extremely smart and appointing as leader of the national rally party 28- year-old jordan who could be the next prime minister if things go back -- bad for micron. this was a vote for youth. the national rally party, its history a father had founded it and he was a famous white washer of the holocaust, pro -nazi so having this 28-year- old at the helm is very smart. we cannot underestimate what will happen there. >> michelle it's time to the u.s. and what this may mean for europe if trump win's. does his rhetoric set him apart from far right leaders on the world stage at the moment you're doesn't make him more dangerous that he out of all the kind of populace far right leaders around the world he is the one that perhaps more than others retracts -- projects and refuses to acknowledge whether he would accept the results of the 2024 election? >> right. i think that steve is absolutely right and he has told me this for that the kind of rhetoric, the violent rhetoric in the talk about locking up his opponent, the talk about hardening the january 6, quote unquote warriors. you don't hear that type of language from le pen or even afd in germany it is much more violent and frankly much more -- i think what we see in the results of these elections is something we see all over the world which is just the incredible anti-encompass in frustration with the status quo. it is surging and seems to be doing really well, the uk where they just had years and years of rule or tory misrule. this is kind of what biden is up against and i think we look at biden's whole numbers here and you can blame that on various decisions that he made, but i also think we need to keep in mind that pulls for incumbents are really bad everywhere and in most places quite a bit worse than biden. >> ruth, what is your take care? is donald trump markedly different than europe's pirate politicians. the overlap in some ways and in our they seeking different ways? >> there is a lot of overlap in terms of platform. conspiracy theories about public health. great replacement theory. for example, hosting the g7, so extreme about replacement theory, she believes it is a plot to flood europe and italy with muslims and nonwhite immigrants. she closet ethnics institution -- all of that racism, anti- immigrant, euro skepticism, anti-nato sometimes, that is common. by the way, to the first point you're making about america being the lead, we already had this because he had his own january 8th insurrection and it didn't work and now he has been banned from politics. but the renaissance included this playbook exploited by the u.s. to another country. >> so, to that point, ruth. let me follow up because i mentioned that if you moments ago. does that number risk slumping even further in november and how big of a test is this election to america? either way i guess, and other words to stand as a beacon of democracy. even if they reject trump. they rejected him in 2020 and he is on the things of the confidence american democracy seems to be declining even with trump not in office. >> he did enormous damage in his four years, too. american democracy abroad. he had the thuggish secretary of state. he pursued self dealing. trump businesses are international. international enterprise. and he just brought down the prestige and integrity of american democracy the and that has lasted because also other countries see that this is a bipartisan country in a very powerful country in one of the two parties is enthralled to this cult leader and behaving in ways that are negatively autocratic so that brings down our prestige in the world as well. >> all right, ruth ben-ghiat, michelle please stick around. we have a lot more to discuss with you throughout the course of this hour. we do have some breaking news out of michigan that we want to bring to you at the moment but at least nine people have been shot at a/mark in the city of rochester hills. it is about a half hour north of detroit. moments ago, police spoke to reporters on the scene and they have confirmed that the shooter is not yet in cost the but is contained about a half-mile from the e&p right now investigators say they believe the shooting was a random in the gunmen had no connection to the victims. they said that the shooter drove up to the waterpark and started shooting and emptying 30 rounds before running off. again, as of now, at least nine people were shot this saturday at a splash park in rochester hills, michigan. we will keep you updated throughout the course of the next hour. he will take a quick break and be right back. stay with us. ht back. stay with us. 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>> yes. these are sociopaths who think accountability does not apply to them. they are the masters of the universe or it they are the superhuman, the super men above us and how dare we hold them accountabl