okay, -- a joe biden and donald trump spent their time this week a little bit differently. one was overseas speaking forcefully about defending democracy. the other was here at home, talking about all the ways he intends to dismantle it. the co-chair of the biden- harris campaign and he is coming up first plus a working exclusive from nbc news just in the last few minutes. donald trump will sit down with a probation officer tomorrow andrew wiseman is going to tell us what to expect. also today, four it's really hostages rescued, and scores of palestinians killed in the process. we'll talk about where things go from here. later, two trump loyalists is installed in the house intelligence committee as the former president is the has. the ranking democrat on that committee, and my guest have some thoughts. overseas. it's one of those things that may feel very far away, in more ways than one, it's not wa something that warrants as much as your attention as issues that they may be grappling with at home but this was different because biden's trip to normandy this week to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day was an important reminder of why the values of the leader of the free world really do matter especially today. >> isolationism was not the answer 80 years ago and is not the answer today, the autocrats of the world are watching closely to see what happens in ukraine, to see if we let this illegal aggression go unchecked, we cannot let that happen. to surrender to bullies, it's simply unthinkable. >> i mean those words you just heard from president biden have always been true and in delivering his message the next day the president also sees the mantle of the guy who used to be the hero of the republican party now all of you history buffs out there likely caught this in the moment but biden's speech was delivered at the sp very same spot where president ronald reagan famously renewed america's commitment to freedom and democracy 40 years ago. that wasn't an accident. and to hear both of them now side-by-side, you would think they are almost completing each other sentences as they speak about the sacrifice of those ab brave soldiers and the role of american leadership in the world. >> the rangers who scaled this cliff didn't know they were changing the world but they did. >> let us show them by our actions that we understand what they died for. ha >> they are asking us to do our job, protect freedom and defend democracy. >> democracy is worth dying for because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man. >> we often talk about the ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but we don't talk about how hard it is. how many ways we are asked to walk away. >> we have learned that isolationism never was and never will be a response to tyrannical governments. >> does anyone believe spthese rangers would want america to go it alone today? >> let us continue to stand for the ideals for which they lived and died. >> president biden and reagan disagreed on a lot but all of this is just a reminder of how aligned both political parties have been on core principles for decades. because this is the brand of american resolve and values that presidents are known for, on both sides of the aisle, s most of them at least, with one obvious exception, in stark contrast with president biden, donald trump is selling and apocalyptic vision of america and here's hoping the voters forget the values that have long made our country great. he sees a path to victory not by celebrating the country he wants to lead but by denigrating it. >> we've become a failing nation, we are a nation in tremendous trouble. we are in a failing nation right now and it's only getting worse. >> we have a very sick country, we are a failed nation. >> the truth is donald trump couldn't really care less about preserving the values that the united states has long stood for through many presidents of both parties and this campaign isn't about preserving our freedom, it's about preserving his own, not about upholding american rightness, it's about staying out of prison. this is why the country trump disguised is virtually undescribable by the one that was by reagan and biden and ga those in between. the pride and optimism is now an long gone in the republican party. trump is the same guy who couldn't be bothered to pay hish respects at an american cemetery in france, the same me one that biden visited just this morning. trump is the same guy who called the veterans who sacrificed their lives, suckers and losers, that's a direct quote, just let that sink in for a moment. right now, we are five months away from the presidential election and there's a big choice out there between one candidate, who knows america is already great and another, who calls it a failure, one who honors our allies and one who heralds our enemies, one who wants to uphold the legacy of d- day and one who wants to squander it. when we are presented with the contrast that contrast with the stakes as high as they are, we all need to take note. joining me now is national culture for the biden/harris campaign, mitch landry. i want to start out with what i laid there. what struck this week was of course the echoes of reagan, it's a urclear reminder to me a many people of how far from our american values trump's values are and part of the message is about fighting for something bigger than yourself as these rangers did. so i wanted to ask you, what is the campaign hoping people watching from home, people who are just tuning in, may take away from the speeches that the president gave this week? >> it's great to be with you and thank you, i was mesmerized by the trip this week commemorating the 80th anniversary of the most heroic day in the history of the world those young men scaled that incredible battlefield and fought tyranny and the president went there to remind americo what sacrificing for democracy really looks like but he was standing on the shoulders not just of ronald reagan but of franklin delano roosevelt and of course, general eisenhower who was a ge supreme commander who later became the president who was a republican. and here's the big idea, america is the greatest country that ever was, and it's because, we've built on the greatest idea that we all come to the table of democracy as equals and we have to defend democracy against autocracy. for some insane reason republican party now has as its head, a guy that wants to turn that idea on its head, become an isolationist, get rid of nato, that has preserved peace over time and it is true based on donald trump's actions in the last couple of years that democracy is at risk abroad and at home, and you've seen it time and time again so this e election is a real decision between autocracy and democracy and notwithstanding the fact that trump is now a convicted criminal, somebody declared to be a sexual abuser, now somebody who's considered to be having judgments against him, this man continues to talk in a way that is completely antithetical and unhinged from what the world knows about america and of course what americans value in themselves so this choice is a choice between a guy that gets up and who thinks about the american people versus a guy who want to tell you everything in the world is going to hell because g that's what he sees when he looks in the mirror. >> there are key moments in elections as you and i both know, the debate is of course one of them that's coming up in 18 days, i'm the first to say, there's a lot of business to do, draw the contrast that you just said, and remind voters but one thing everyone is watching us how the president will talk about trump's convictions, you just um referenced it. it's part of his story. we learned trump is going to sit down with his probation si officer tomorrow. how will the president talk about all of this in the debate in 18 days. >> can we just stop on the fact, i'll talk about the debate in the second but a guy that wants to be president of the united states has to sit down with his probation officer, that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don't think most americans are going to walk by that, we can always have a debate about how big the country or small it should be but at the end of the day the president of the united states is a person is supposed to have wisdom, character, judgment and he's supposed to reflect the best that america has to offer and when you put these two men next to each other, and in my opinion, it's not much of a choice, even people who disagree with some of joe biden's policies have tod agree that his character, his wisdom and his judgment are just much more reflective of great american values and i believe during this debate joe e biden will take it to donald trump. remember he's the only politician standing that's ever beat donald trump, he bit -- beat him by 8 million votes, trump is a loser, and at the end of the day biden has debated trump and beat him twice. i'm fully confident that the president will do the same thing on election day. when americans have to choose between the right way to do things on the wrong way, they are going to choose a future for america that make sense for who we've always been and who we want to be. >> i definitely don't think we should whistle past the probation officer meeting. i'm glad you called that out. chris christie had debate advice basically saying the president shouldn't engage about his record or his family, what do you think about that? >> which president is he w talking about, trump? because when his lips are moving -- >> of course he is, he's giving advice to joe biden, about ignoring trump's lies and his attacks on his family, biden's family members in a debate, what do you think about that? >> i understand that, listen, the president, joe biden, everybody knows about his story, before he was even sworn in his wife and child were killed and two of his sons were left, biden went home every night and took care of those kids, one of the kids subsequently died as you know tragically from brain cancer and hunter as you know had a huge problem with substance abuse. the thing that draws me to the story is not about hunter biden, he's not running for bi president, donald trump is running for president but what it tells me about joe biden is joe biden is a great human being who loves his son unconditionally, even in his son's darkest times, joe biden has never left his son behind. so people who talk about joe biden in a way that makes him look old or something like that, he shows up every day, fighting for people and fighting for this country. that's the joe biden who is going to take it to trump and beat him in the debates and the election. donald trump is a loser. the american people are good people and they don't believe this country has gone down and they will lift this country up with joe biden. >> always a pleasure talking to you, thanks for taking the time this afternoon. >> thank you, jen, good to be with you. a bizarre facebook post about a juror letter from judge merchan and a friday night rc freak out over something that can be absolutely nothing. more on the breaking news that trump will sit down with an interview with a probation officer tomorrow. andrew wiseman is coming up next. we will be right back. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ here's a bit of a mystery and intrigue late friday, in a letter to the prosecution and the defense team, the judge find a post on facebook from a user who claimed to have advanced knowledge of the jury's decision. the post said my cousin is a juror and says trump is getting convicted, thank you folks for all your hard work exclamation point. nbc news has not verified the claim and the post has been deleted but it sparked a temporary frenzy of speculation about the potential of juror misconduct. if a juror really did share information with a cousin or with anyone, it could give trump a pretext to contest the verdict but there's some reasons to doubt the credibility of the claim in the facebook post. the user describes himself as a professional trash poster but he used a different word. and a subsequent post told people to quote take it easy suggesting that his online commentary is intentionally designed to cause a reaction in other words, it seems there's a good chance this was just a prank. of course, that didn't stop trump from seizing upon the post to jesting the verdict was unfair. he weighed in with a single word, mistrial and trump's allies of course like sean hannity got a little ahead of their skis. >> okay, was the fix in from the beginning, is this cause for a mistrial, i would assume a motion for mistrial is being written as we speak. >> that's not cause for a mistrial, i don't know what is, that's what sean hannity says, joining me now is andrew weissmann , okay, we are going to take a quick rake and we will be right back. right back (dad) we never thought that with (dad) we never thought that with verizon, saving on the best in entertainment was gonna be so easy. 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>> so i'm actually a little surprised that in that five week trial that was so high- profile that we haven't had these issues before. i've done a whole series of profile matters, there's always allegations with respect to the jury, both sides were reporters or people up to no good, doing research on the jurors, allegations come out whether they were honest in their statements to the court in connection with the jury selection process, or whether they started deliberating before they were supposed to or something that was alleged to have happened during deliberations. there's almost something where you lose jurors or there's some kind of allegation afterwards and judges have to deal with that. and so, i've been surprised that we kept all of the jurors for the entire trial and you know, there are a lot of bad actors out there with motives to try and do research on the jurors and that has not happened. this has all of the indicia of being fake including the person basically saying that recently, that they were trash posting, again, i'm using their words, their own words, so it doesn't seem like this is anything, the judge did exactly what you are supposed to do, make sure that both sides are aware of it and now it's donald trump's team, if they wanted to submit something on it, they can, i don't think this is the one for people to go down the route of fox news clips that people were playing. i just wasn't surprised by this i was more surprised with the fact that it hadn't happened yet. >> that's an important reminder and obviously there will be more and more efforts to try and do this right before we came on the air, there was an exclusive reporting by nbc news that trump is scheduled for a zoom interview with the probation officer tomorrow, it's over zoom which i think isn't typical but how do you expect this to go and what are you watching for? >> the manner is certainly not normal, usually it's in person, not by zoom but you can imagine because of secret service, et cetera, that accommodations have been made, this is one where donald trump really, it's his to lose, you know, there's nothing wrong with his telling a probation office i didn't do anything wrong and i'm not admitting guilt and i'm planning on appealing, that's every dependent, they have a right to do that but if you start saying the kind of things that he's been saying during the trial or after the trial and attacking the jurors and the witnesses the judge, family members, to foment an anti-law enforcement sentiment, that's not going to go that well, to say the least. he will also be asked a lot about his personal finances in terms of paying a fine, he will be asked about whether he is associating with criminals, and it's kind of remarkable, it's just the kind of thing that you focused on with your last guest but he will have to talk about whether he communicates with roger stone, steve bannon, remember those people have been found guilty by a jury and are felons themselves, so that's another area where the probation department could ask questions. >> now when you say it could not go well, what could be the impact of this meeting, what will we care after it's over? >> this is a standard part of sentencing where the probation department, they're sort of an arm of the court and they give a private confidential report to the judge, so we will not directly see it, we may hear about it through the parties, but this is a report that's given to the judge, both sides should have access to challenge any statements, but it's basically allowing the court to learn more information about a defendant, in connection with donald trump, you could be saying, well how much more, what more do they need to know. but he has not been through this process and so this is part of what probation does with any defendant and most are not well known to the sentencing judge, but here, there are as i mentioned, the, well like associat