that does it for us, thank you so much for watching. remember, if your friends are busy tonight. you got a hot date. you and they can watch the night cap again tomorrow night at saturday, 11:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. i'm signing off and i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of news news, thanks for staying up late with me. see you at the end of tomorrow. it has been a terrible, horrible, no good very bad week for conspiracy theorists. normally there would be no reason to show you a clip of alex jones, but this was really something. >> i'm literally here watching a family die. 30 years on air. 37 years in operation. 15 years in this building and i'm literally. when i leave tonight. they will shut us down. maybe it is tomorrow, the next day. i want people to know, i love you, i believe in you, humanity, my grandparents grandparents and parents. i believe in humanity. they got to be stopped. you got to stop them. so, at the end of 2 day, we'll beat these people. not trying to be dramatic but it has been a hard fight. >> that was alex jones. one of the country's biggest conspiracy theorists crying on his show last weekend about the fact his program info wars might finally be coming to an end. for decades jones and info wars have pushed insane conspiracy theories like 9/11 was an inside job and the u.s. government controls the weather. but perhaps his most pernicious and disturbing conspiracy was that the sandy hook massacre, a school shooting that killed 20 students and several adults was staged. >> sandy hook, it's got inside job written all over it. sandy hook is a synthetic, completely fake with actors in my view manufacturers. all i know is the official story of sandy hook has more holes in it than swiss cheese. >> alex jones pushed lies like these about sandy hook for years resulting in his followerring harassing and tormenting the families of of sanly hook victims so they sued for defamation and won. he was ordered to pay $1.5 billion in damages. be 2022. he declared bankruptcy guarding his money from the sandy hook families tonight. they accepted a proposal from alex jones to liquidate all of jones' personal assets. his court supervised liquidation will allow the families to benefit from the immediate sale of jones' assetting and keeping their claim alive in the event he accrues more wealth in the future. all of this means it could finally be the end for info wars. [ screaming ] >> so alex jones is being held to account literally. his bank account. reality has really set in this week. not just for alex jones. this is the epoch times. a news outlet that started decades ago as an antichinese communist leaflet from the fallen gong. you might know them from shen yun. they travel the country explaining their version of precommunist history through song and dance. at some point, the epoch times became less about chinese socio cultural views and plain old conspiracy theories. they pushed anti-vax content claiming vaccines caused widespread injury and death. it pushed seriously niche content like this documentary revealing a secret world government plot to call the population and force survivors to eat bugs. but for years now, the epoch times has claimed content like that has been wildly successful. they put up billboards across the country declaring the epoch times as the number one trusted news. in 2021, they claimed they had grown by 685% in two years. it all seemed pretty fantastic. because it was. according to an indictment unsealed this week in the southern district of new york, the site's content was not the moneymaker here. not the bug plot. prosecutors allege the real increase in revenue was coming from a massive money laundering scheme run by the epoch times chief financial officer. since 2020, the cfc has allegedly been buying millions of dollars of prepaid debit cards at 70 to 80 cents per dollar from criminals on crypto currency. nice work if you can get it. he is being charged with bank fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering and could face up to 30 years in prison. all of this is negative press for the epoch times and positive news for the health of our information eco system. to that end, to the triumph of reality over conspiracy, there was also news on this front. >> let's begin we asking a simple question. do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election? >> that was a conspiracy theory filled documentary, 2000 mules. when that film debuted, trump hosted a screening of it at mar- a-lago and it is a very schlocky film that says thousands of people were paid to steal the 2020 election. it is a complete fabrication. but the right wing went bananas for it. to this day, the film, 2000 fuels is a central part of the maga revisionist history of 2020. and last week, after a lawsuit was filed against the media company that distributed that film, they stopped distribution and issued a formal public apology. so a pretty good week for reality and a bad week for conspiracy. and that doesn't just matter for the health of our public discourse. it matters for the health of our democracy. it wasn't just 2000 mules pushing the big lie. all of these outlets were. >> if you have been following the media over the past week, you probably think that the election is over. but that is actually not the case. >> the epoch times is one of the first outlets to really go hard on the big lie. right after the 2020 election, its home page became an election challenge tracker. following elector events state by state. as for alex jones, not only did he push the big lie, but he helped organize and helped fund the stop the steal rally where trump spoke on january 6th. the big lie is maybe the most influential conspiracy theory of our time and i know, yes, there are plenty of other outlets. even sitting u.s. officials who still push the lie. but these outlets, these outlets crashing and burning this week. conspiracy theorists and distortion profiteers being held accountable. that matters. and it comes on a week that has been equally bad for the people who tried to use the big lie to overturn the election in 2020. this week, three more trump allies were indicted in wisconsin. for their roles in trump's fake elector scheme there. today in arizona, trump's former chief of staff mark meadows pleaded not guilty to his charges in that state. trump's criminal indictment may be frozen on the 2020 election but that doesn't mean everyone has to give up trying to bring this country back to reality. joining me now, the former editor at large of the bull work. gentlemen, i apologize we had to play alex jones footage at the top of the segment but it was for a purpose. mark, i do wonder individually, these stories may not resonate. but i wonder if there is any political cost to seeing all of these right wing conspiracy theorists go up in flames and be outed for what they are. >> you would think there could be. in some ways, this is all kind of happening on one side. these live by an large on the right. it is not like they are out there very separate from the mainstream of the republican party. you have donald trump closely interacting with them. the alex joneses of the world. mark meadow was chief of staff. there's a lot of very close tie in between what he does, what the republicans do. it is a lot of fertile material for democrats to work with. but how do you make it something that is viable for a political campaign environment? and you could say look, this is a very, very corrupt group of people. a vice president whose cabinet members are not supporting him. what you need is a strategy to simplify. i think calling donald trump a convicted felon is obviously helpful but it is hard to communicate these sheer. >> charlie, beyond the sort of elegant theory that could be useful for democrats, there is also the reality that these lies hang on republican elected officials. you wrote a piece in the atlantic talking about the way in which the fake electors lead to ron johnson. can you talk about how you see the dominoes falling? >> the story you just told, people need to understand what an integral role all of those outlets played in changing the political landscape. republicans think the election was stolen. spreading the covid conspiracy theories. that is important because many of the republican politicians have followed where the base went. they have been influenced by the epoch times. and we left out that steve bannon is going to jail. there is a great moment i think of feeling that there is karma catching up with the mendacity you have been documenting. but this is so engrained in the republican party headed by donald trump. i would love to pike the football and say that you know, we are now seeing reality make a comeback. but can reality make a comeback in american politics as long as donald trump is possibly going to be elected the next president of the united states? because as mark mentioned, these things are not, they are not simply discreet. donald trump has worked very closely with each of these outlets. they are crucial cogs. as long as you have elected officials like ron johnson willing to carry water for the big lie in these conspiracy theories, they can still do a lot of damage. and will do a lot of damage. >> yeah. look, we talk about trump's kind of infallibility at least in the courts in terms of holding him accountable. we talk about changing the election. it is wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. and in two of those states. if you extend it to arizona, georgia, nevada. , there are state investigations and criminal indictments around these fake electors. while that might not be the overarching movement to hold donald trump accountable, it does remind people on the ground of what happened in 2020. there is something to the people in your neighborhood being part of a plot to steal the election no matter where they are getting their information or what their social media feed is. >> absolutely. they are central to these cases. it will be an important reminder and those are the three states. you mentioned arizona, nevada, georgia. but the other three he could win with, he is much closer in. so i do think that look, for as much as 2020 is the topic of conversation, this is good news for biden. all of these taken together are products of lawsuits or criminal action. he is prosecuted or litigated which a fine way to get come up pans in our world. what would be great is if republican politicians en masse could lock arms and if not do the right thing, sort of distance themselves in some way from this rather than hug the really bad actors and become one with it. because look, they are one of our two major parties now. that is what defines them. it would be nice if that would actually just happen more organically. >> they will also pay a price at the ballot box. like mail in voting is fraudulent. you are seeing that unfold this week. trump has a statement. released on tuesday. we will protect the vote. make sure your ballot is secure and your voice is heard. we must swamp the radical democrats with massive turnout. donald trump encouraging republican voters to vote by mail. it is like reality of how you win a election is slowly dawning on the republican party. >> i actually think this is a significant undercover story. how much chaos there is in republican party ranks over the basic questions. how do we feel about mail in voting? the criminal charges against the fake electors in wisconsin will focus attention on the attempt to steal the election, but also, it will highlight again how divided republicans are about this. this has torn apart the republican party in wisconsin. all of that has been revived. it is hard to predict whether this helpsline or the democrats but i do think at least, let's take a moment to notice we have talked about earth 2.0 where there is no reality. what we are seeing this week is reality making a little bit of a comeback. there is accountability and the price tag and the consequences for these mendacious lies and in alex jones' case, these profoundly evil lies about the murder of those children. that there is finally some comuppance for these guys. eventually, these things catch up with you and i hope that sends the message and for those of us, all of us looking ahead, when do we get out of this, what's ahead for america? american culture, these stories we saw were a slight glimmer of hope. i'm not going to be exuberant as long as donald trump is leafing in the polls but it is a bright spot. >> it is a victory for earth one where no one is part of a global plot to make anybody eat bugs. whatever the epoch times has to say about it. thanks for spending a little of your friday night with me. i appreciate it. coming up, private jets, luxury resorts, super yachts, we knew clarence thomas had received millions of dollars in gifts but he is disclosing some of them now. but not all of them. more on that coming up. two former police officers who defended the capitol on january 6th were greeted with boos by republican lawmakers in pennsylvania this week. we'll speak to one of them. retired police officer harry dunn. that's next. police officer hary dunn. that's next. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. downy. breathe life into your laundry. are your gutters clogged? 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>> honestly, the first thing that walked through my mind, it was such an honor to be there. to be able to be recognized, to be noticed. i appreciated that moment. this has been three-and-a-half years. this is par for the course. it doesn't get any easier to deal with. but it also, it is the reason to keep going. that's why i was in pennsylvania. to meet with people who don't believe or who down play what happened january 6th to tell our stories about what happened. and make sure that people don't forget it. despite the efforts to whitewash, diminish and lie about what happened that day. >> do any of those republicans ever come up to you? do you have a conversation about why they think what they think? >> not the ones that were doing the boing were booing. let's talk about it. and hear your opinions and what donald trump is telling you and the far right is telling you what happened. i would sit down and talk to them but they didn't give us the opportunity. in fact, we were on the house floor, we were not even being, we got acknowledged. we didn't speak. we didn't say any words. they just acknowledged us. so it wasn't like they walked out in protest or something we said. they just wanted to grand stand and just make a scene. the speaker literally just said our names and why we were there and they walked out. it wasn't like we were out there speaking. i'm motivated more. >> just your presence was cause for them to jeer you and leave the chamber. this is the week mike johnson, speaker of the house in washington dc, declared that the republican party is the party of law and order. you are a former police officer who is getting booed by members of his party. how does it make you feel when he says that? >> this isn't new. this is their play book. this is what they do. it is a hash tag, a bumper sticker. something they put on a campaign rally sign. but it is not the truth at all. just look at how they are responding to what is happening in the court up in new york. with donald trump. they are not the ruling law. they are the party of law and order when it works for them. they have people like on january 6th, there were people that called the police officers traitors as they were attacking my coworkers. there were people that were there saying they were doing it for us. so they thought they were right. it's crazy. they think, it is only good when it works for them. you know? i get so flabbergasted because it is unbelievable to think they can sit this with a straight face and say those things. but what they forget to say is only when they do what we want them to do. >> i have to ask you because you have been around in these key moments, you were outside the courthouse in new york city as donald trump was standing trial and you were there when robert de niro was going back at some of the maga acolyting parading around new york for donald trump. do you think democrats and i would say more broadly people who care about democracy need to engage in that kind of hand to and comment? did you feel like it was effective? >> i would be careful saying hand so hand combat. >> figuratively speaking. >> but you know how they get. that's their play book. i do think everybody needs to forcefully push back against these lies. you know, nobody said a word when mike johnson and the house delegation, the republican delegation was going outside the courthouse in defense of donald trump for that particular case. you know, we just went up there. my story was about january 6th. i didn't talk about the trial. to be honest, i wasn't really following it. i just wanted to let everybody know how i feel that donald trump is one of the biggest threats to our democracy. and, you know, it is kind of rich people say the democrats need to move on from january 6th. i would argue that you tell that to donald trump. he still is campaigning off of january 6th. offering pardons to the people who attacked police officers and stormed the capitol. he is offering pardons for them. i refuse to move on from january 6th when you have people out there spreading lies object what did and did not happen that day. >> i know you started a pac using leftover money from your congressional campaign to support candidates running against pro trump republicans. officer harry dunn who is not going quietly into this good night. >> democracy defenders pac.com. yeah, we are continuing to fight, doing what we can do. because everybody has to have a role in this protecting our democracy. >> officer harry dunn who was there. and knows well what happened january 6th. thank you so much for making the time and thanks for your service, sir. i appreciate it. >> thanks alex. still ahead tonight, a supreme court justice finally admitted that he did accept luxury travel