anniversary of the day. the pier shooters, many veterans themselves, leaped from planes used in world war ii. d-day began june 6, 1944 marking what historians call to the beginning of the end of the war. on thursday president biden will join the celebrations as he makes his first state visit to france. he's okay with it, donald trump speaking today about what lies ahead after his conviction. in his hush money case, coming up. good afternoon from msnbc in washington, d.c., welcome to alex wood reports. i'm in and for alex. we begin with the latest from the fallout of the guilty verdict against donald trump. stormy daniels speaking out, giving her first postverdict interview to a widely circulated british tabloid telling the sunday mirror she wants trump jail. if she had to she would go back to july, -- 2006 and would not have attempted, accepted his invitation to dinner in lake tahoe. quote, i definitely regret putting myself in that situation but i'm not the one should be ashamed. i'm not the one who was married. i had -- or dishonest. she talked about lyrical polarization around the case. >> it is so -- like how do you get this and this to ever pull together? and a lot of that light donald trump, he divided the country and people of the world in ways that i just didn't think was possible. >> we will hear more from stormy in a few minutes. also trump's lawyers saying the sentencing on july 11th may be delayed by potential appeals. and that in the meantime trump is likely to continue his attacks on the judicial process. >> he has an absolute constitutional right to comment on matters of public importance and unfortunately this trial, which was i believe unjustly inserted into the residential election cycle is a matter of tremendous importance. the weapons in the station of our legal system, it is asian of prosecution are the things president trump absolutely has to comment on. >> we have reporters and analysts in place, covering all the developments. let's begin with nbc news' senior national politics reporter john allen. thank you for being here in person on the sunday. so donald trump doesn't have any campaign events this weekend but what are we hearing from him? >> he has been traveling around new jersey, for ufc fights. that we have heard from donald trump as well as stormy daniels. we will hear more from them in just a second. a sickly, he's talking about he's not going to beg for any leniency. we got the sentencing phase coming up in july after the 34 counts. let's listen to what donald trump has to say in his own words and then army daniels. >> the judge can decide house arrest or even jail. >> i'm okay with it. i saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying you don't want to do that. you don't back for anything, you just it is the waiters. >> i don't think trump understands anything. anything. he's out of touch with reality. you have to find the punishment. not just the crime, it is fair and just, but that it is an impact that particular person. >> so what you hear there is donald trump saying if he goes to jail, then he goes to jail. it is not clear that is actually going to do the result of what happened. judge mershon has discretion. could be a fine, could be house arrest or jail certain, donald trump is in a position we expect him to appeal this jury verdict. >> it is interesting though, donald trump is acting like he doesn't care he's going to go to jail. we know his whole thing is to be bravado and look and put on a brave face but are you surprised by that at all? >> nobody wants -- i don't know what you think jail is going to be like, even if it is a relatively nice jail, even if he has his own wing. i think we are going up -- we are getting ahead of ourselves in terms of needing to wait for the sentence to see what that is going to be. but donald trump is putting on a brave face and he is trying to make this about something larger than himself. i'm not sure that it really isn't about something larger than himself. he's talking about how he has been under a gag order and let's be clear what that gag order would say. it says donald trump can't intimidate witnesses or port officials or their families. it does not prevent him from talking about the case and as we have heard on multiple times a day from the courthouse, earlier this week, multiple times a day, attacking pretty much every element of this case. but just not allowed -- even by reference to michael cohen, calling him a sleazebag. does not -- he has a lot of latitude to talk about the case. >> it is interesting to hear he says i cannot talk about this though he decided not to take the stand and to say i don't care about jail but you and me and everybody doesn't want to go to jail. is smart point to make on the sunday., jonathan allen. i want to bring in dave aaron burr, state attorney for palm beach county and patricia, legal reporter for bloomberg news. she's been in the courtroom for trump's trial. dave, first you. what are your thoughts on stormy daniels, the first interview and what you think she wants her voice to be heard in this way, given the fact she wore a bulletproof vest when she was testifying. she's talked about how scary all of this has been for her. what you make of the fact that she is speaking out? >> it means she wants dedication, and she got it. because of the jury did not believe her, then they would not have found donald trump lt because todd blanche, i thought he made a crucial error. he did what trump paley told him to do which denied the affair entirely. he should have acknowledged the affair. denying the affair it allowed stormy daniels to tell the story in detail. perhaps too much detail. but she wants indication because she has had to walk around with proof vest. she has had endless supplies of death threats and she wants the world to know she's been telling the truth and the jury validated that. >> it is interesting you say that she wants to be validated. and i'm wondering, do you think stormy daniels is saying she could have a risk for the appeals process. >> i don't think her statements will jeopardize the appeal in any way. i think donald trump's statements have more effect on the appeal. i think donald trump's statements have a bigger effect on sentencing. the longer he continues to be defiant, to continue to lie about what happened with stormy daniels, to insult the judge and the prosecutors, even though he is allowed to do so under the gag order. the person that will make up the decision on the penalty will be the guy wearing the black robe, who trump continues to insult. he is a human being like everyone else and he may lay the -- lay the smack down on him if trump continues to run his mouth. >> patricia, you were there as stormy daniels sat 10 feet away from donald trump. she told the mayor, the british tabloid that it was intimidating with the jurors, saying she wanted to come out and prove she had been telling the truth she entire time. she added, it is not over for me and it will never be over for me. trump may be guilty but i have to live with the legacy. what struck you about her testimony and what you think resonated with the juries? >> she obviously seemed extremely nervous when she started testifying. extremely anxious. -- it was bubbling out of her. but on the second day when she was testifying and on cross, she held her own. and that is when i thought she --. she was able to show that hey, just because you are donald trump's lawyer, i am not intimidated and she -- with trump's defense lawyer who was just examining her. at one point she was accused of making money off donald trump. she said not unlike your client selling gold shoes. she gave as good as she got. and i think one thing we are forgetting in the sentencing issue, judge merchan did issue a gag order but he will impose the sentence on donald trump. we haven't seen any expressions of remorse from the defendant, let alone humility. in fact he called the judge a devil the other day. these are the comments that judge merchan may take into account. he has to impose the rule of law and show he's doing it fairly and evenly, not just somebody who's running for re- election. i think that is going to factor in greatly for his consideration. >> as you talk about what donald trump has said, i want to play some of what donald trump said on friday about stormy daniels without actually saying her name. >> with these people, they were able to use people, salacious -- by the way, nothing ever happened. it was no, anything. nothing ever happened and they know it. that they were salacious as they could be. it had nothing to do with the case. they had to do with politics. and do you notice the timing? the timing was perfect. >> a reminder there that while trump is claiming falsely that someone thing is connected to democrats, there is no evidence of that. but i want to ask you in particular dave, does the unanimous vote guilty verdict, does it say that the jurors accepted stormy daniels claims, that they believed her in their fact-finding mission? >> yes, yes it does. as well as michael cohen as well. trump had every opportunity to cross-examine both of them and his lawyers failed. i don't think he benefits by continuing to deny a story that even supporters have to acknowledge. come on, he should acknowledge it. he should have just moved on and he could have avoided all the details at trial. i will say this, on appeal, trump's lawyers will be able to complain about the fact that judge merchan allowed so many dirty details of the encounter between daniels and trump. some of the stuff we heard was tmi and in an appellate court, they could decide it was too prejudicial. that is legitimate grounds on appeal. remember trump's lawyers opened the door to it by denying the encounter ever existed, hence the details. >> definitely details that had us cringing a bit. patricia, i want to ask about what donald trump is doing now, which is saying he's okay with house arrest or jail time. if that is part of his sentence. what factors are on the table when judge merchan goes to hold the july 11th sentencing hearing, and can any of his post verdict behavior influence the sentencing, do you think? >> i think it can. the judge has a lot of leeway under the law. -- he can string them together and make a maximum of four years. he can give a range. he can impose part-time, maybe six months and home detention. legal experts have said to me, he could fashion something creative. you do nights in jail at rikers island even. but they also said there really -- it is important for merchan to show that he's not going to treat donald trump differently than any other defendant. we have to remember that merchan presided over allen weisselberg, trump's longtime cfo, allen weisselberg who convicted of 15 counts of tax fraud. a much more serious crime and he got five months in jail. at rikers island. and he said to him, i take white-collar crime very seriously. donald trump has been convicted of 34 felonies. so it is many more crimes and you have a judge dealing with somebody, donald trump has put himself out there as i'm running for president and i am right and everyone is wrong. even the judge has to consider to treat it as fairly as any other defendant including white, brown, or purple, that donald trump isn't special. he has to be treated the same way other people would be treated. >> as patricia is saying, the judge needs to show that she is treating donald trump fairly. donald trump's lawyer now, we played that for folks saying he might not face any sentencing at all. is that because of the appeals process? what exactly is the lawyer saying? help me understand that. >> trump may never serve any time because as soon as sentencing happens, his lawyers are going to appeal it and that could take years. even if he does get jail time, he's not going to be wearing an orange jumpsuit anytime soon because this is going to be on appeal. i think trump is in some trouble though because he's been insulting the judge so much so there's every reason why the judge could lay the hammer down. but why should we expect that when trump has violated his gag order 10 times and a judge merchan, and experienced and respected judge has refused to treat him like any other defendant, giving him better treatment by avoiding serious sanctions. so i think when it comes down to sentencing, even though george merchan has every reason to send him to jail, i think he avoids doing that. i think that probation or even house arrest is likely the course of action here. >> dave, you talked about the appeals process and i'm watching in d.c. a couple of blocks from the supreme court. is there a path for the trump defense team to take this case to the work? >> yeah, i think so. they could say that is a prosecutor cannot lean on federal campaign finance law to elevate a state misdemeanor to a state felony. that would be a violation of due process, perhaps wrongful interpretation of the federal law, the campaign finance law, how they apply to in this case. that is a the u.s. supreme court to get involved. speaker johnson could get his wish eventually. is saver justice is justice alito and justice clarence thomas may end up weighing in on the case after all. >> and patricia, i want to ask you, do you think that stormy daniels will show up to sentencing? >> it is possible. the poor woman has been barbecued by the defense for years. and you know, she finally got her do, same as michael cohen. so they are perfectly entitled -- as victims of this crime. they are the people that were vilified and now they get to be in court and see what happens to donald trump as a result of this. i just want to add in, you can't under new york state law start an appeal until after sentencing the trump has to wait until july 11th if he is sentenced and the other thing that has to happen, he can start planning out his appeal in manhattan -- and then he can go to the supreme court. one thing judge merchan and prosecutors have in their favor is, a federal judge, last year upheld the prosecution of the state prosecution of donald trump and he issued 65 page ruling, laying out all parameters of why there could be a view of state authority. prosecutors have that advantage. >> yeah, great context. thank you, both of you, dave and patricia for coming on. the men at the heart of donald trump's hush money case, now says he's worried what secrets trump might spill if he is in prison. a former homeland security official joins me with the most worrying secrets trump might have could be. we will be back in 90 seconds, stay with us. ay with us. that's why i love my swiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. do you want to close out? 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>> you make an extraordinary verdict and an extraordinary moment and regardless of the legal analysis of the case, the reality stands that there is a man who has been convicted by a jury of his peers, who is running as one of the major party candidates for the presidency. that is of enormous consequence. and maybe even more shocking than that, a lot of us expected is not going to dent his support very much within his party. we've yet to see comprehensive polls after the ruling, but that is the sense of folks looking at the cross tab initially and it is remarkable and says something remarkable about our politics. to michael cohen's comments, i've got to say that i don't think it is an overstatement. i think it really is, quite extraordinary in its own right, that someone who is a convicted criminal would be receiving the sort of standard intelligence briefings, a major already kennedy gets before the presidency. but this is a story image that goes back about a decade. when donald trump was running for president the first time in 2016 i remember how concerted officials in the intelligence community wore. they ran wargames on how and what to share with the man because it was suspected he might potentially be compromised by russia. and of course as president we worried about sharing classified information with him because of his tendency as cohen noted to trade information and share things we had told him where secrets. people's lives depended on it and of course after the presidency he stole classified documents and we can't soon forget he was convicted of felony charges not related to those documents. but as he's getting briefings, he's being charged with having stolen secrets previously. you got to think current intelligence officials are going to figure out how to appropriately provide those briefings but sanitize them of information that could put lives in danger. >> that is put in context when you think about the intelligence he could have access to. normally trump is being convicted of a felony would make it difficult to obtain a security clearance but the washington post points out it doesn't apply to the highest office of the land. of course, that being the presidency by winning office, presidents are giving access to ossified information and consider the ultimate classification authority in the government. it is something that worries you, and does -- could this change given the protocols? donald trump is really, maybe an anomaly, maybe it is a new phase of american democracy. but of course he's the first former president to be convicted of a felony. you think this could change things? >> i do think it could. in fact when i used to work with folks in the justice department who handled classified information cases, they were always worried about these edge cases, the extraordinary episodes were classification law could get tested. why? because that would set precedent in later years for other cases and i say this because there's so much unusual and very unhelpful precedent being set with donald trump's mishandling of classified information, that you do worry in the future when we charge individuals for spying on the united states and mishandling c