morning joe weekend pick it was another fast-moving newsweek . here are conversations you might have missed. >> president biden and the vice president rallied in philadelphia, the event was the launch of the outreach to black voters. >> because black americans voted we our president and vice president of the united states, that is because of you, that is not hyperbole. that is because of you. with your vote in 2024 we will make donald trump a loser again. when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time. you have got it, kid. you have got it . i have shown you who i am and trump is show you he is. today he is pandering for your vote so he can win for himself, not for you. donald trump i have a message for you, not in our house and not on our watch. america has always been a place where we work towards a perfect unit where those are excluded in the past are included today. i still believe that. i am still optimistic but i need you. my question is a simple one . are you with me? talk to your family. >> a chant of four more years. great to have you with us. let's spread this around a little bit, jennifer, i will start with you about the initiative to bring the base home. he actually, if you read that analysis today, he is doing well in places you may not have expected, older voters, white voters, so now it is a matter of bringing the base home. >> i think what yesterday showed you, if you look at his calendar it is telling because he most valuable thing is the candidates time and how they are spending hints -- his time in showing up. doing black radio, they know they need to make up ground here. what he has going for him is his record is better. the challenge is how the trump campaign is running on this campaign of economic nostalgia, right? going back the covid and reminding people it was a time that felt better. that is true, it did feel better to most people . it is not in on the level argument, as my mother would say, but it is working to some degree so president biden is using his time and resources to reach out to communities of color, that is where they need to make up ground, to bring those voters home, show them there is a reason to vote for president biden. >> it was a big crowd yesterday. what work does the president and vice president need to do to earn back the trust? >> i think they have to continue to do in terms of showing up. the vice president has been on this economic opportunity tour and it is specifically tailored to speak directly to, not just black voters, but black men specifically and black business owners, talking about what the administration has done for black small businesses. we talk about the pandemic, black businesses were guided by the pandemic, more than 50% of them closed their doors. the opportunity to build the back, if you will, the opportunity for black businesses to build back under this administration has been phenomenal but they have to talk about that. they have to talk about the unfinished work and what they would do if elected . every time i am traveling people are like why are the numbers not resonating with folks supporting president biden and the vice president? for people who are just trying to pay their bills, people who are renters or aspiring homeowners it is extremely expensive to do those things right now. the campaign has taught about the president and vice presidents plan to attack housing, for renters also people who would like to purchase. there is a plan around credit to first-time homebuyers. that was a plan they did have in the first term that congress could not get through so that is some of the unfinished business that speaks to the heart of what people are dealing with every day and they need to hear about those plans. the student loan peace, people think president biden has not done much on student loans, that is false, there are so many people, i know people who got their student loans forgiven last week. this is something that touches so many people. i am talking about older millennial's, people who are even older than that will have student loans, that student loan forgiveness is affecting them too. they have to hear about it. >> you have been asked this question 1 million times. off of what was just said why is it that the administration and president biden is now, of porting to some people, competing with donald trump for the black vote in the black communities in this country? how can that be the case when he has a lifelong record of positive movement from the black community and his administration has the same? >> it is also how he became the nominee in 2020. i think if we talk to the campaign they will tell you, one is there is a challenge the campaign is facing that it hasn't settled into everyone that donald trump is the actual other choice in that is the alternative. there is still people who aren't paying attention. that is part of what they will argue. that is why they are eager to get on the debate stage. the other factor, you can see it in some of the coverage, things like housing costs, higher interest rates, who do they impact? they impact people who are low income, living paycheck to paycheck, they impact some of the demographic groups that president biden is struggling with. that is sent area where he has a good story to tell. it is quite similar, i was on the campaign in 2012, the argument was not ace i have solved every economic problem for you, it was i am the better fighter for you to do and the other guy. the last thing is a has started to draw the contrast, obviously president biden is showing up in places, they have to move on for credits of accomplishment and make it about the contrast of what a biden and trump president since he would be. it is really about living people home. >> morning show weekend will be right back. right back try dietary supplements from voltaren, for healthy joints. we're still going for that nice catch. we're still going for that perfect pizza. and 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re-enslaved with an even bigger problem, a worse affliction and addiction, a bigger delusion, james baldwin would say, the national suicide, as mr. lincoln prophesies. do not be seduced by easy equalization. there is nothing equal about this equation. we are at a crossroads in our political and civic lives. this is a choice that could not be clearer. >> wow. the award filming filmmaker joins us now, he is the recipient of the national constitution center's liberty medal illuminating the nation's greatest triumphs and tragedies and inspiring us to learn about the principles at the heart of the american idea. great to have you on. i want to start with the american idea. everything you said jumped out at me. you said do not be seduced, i think that is so important in the age of the cult of trump, even more important you used the word fragile. i don't think people understand just how fragile the democracy is. can you explain how easily it could be unraveled? >> i think all you need to do is go back, good morning, go back to we year in 1932 to put want to be where everything was great with ideas and politics and arts and architecture in the movies and painting, there would be no better place on the planet than berlin. the next january not so much. soap what we learned from the study of authoritarianism, from desperate's, is these democratic institutions are fragile because the covenant of democracy is a new thing . we invented it. it said we would not be a subject we will be a citizen. we are going to build institutions in which we have to, just like driving down the road, we trust people won't cross the line. we need to trust each other. there is a them. there is no them i tried to say in this. it is really not about president biden or trump, it is about this tennessee for us to other and make it an argument but not a story. we also have a responsibility. we have been so focused, in the quarter of my screen, it is like we are waiting for the train wreck of the trial. we used to have an airplane hangar where he would arrive to say some bad things. we have not allowed, the only thing where trickle-down economics works, is in the media. president biden has the third greatest legislative accomplishments in the last hundred years and people don't know about it because we have been more interested in the argument of guilty or not guilty or this outrage or that out which we have missed our responsibility to help . the other thing i was add too is in the other ring everyone does it, we do it too, we need to reach out to trump voters, we need to listen to them. their guy is doing that, we need to remind them that so many of the things that keep them at the level they are at, paycheck to paycheck are there because of things that president biden and barack obama have done for them and not allow them to be completely seduced by the story the desperate's tell, that if we get rid of these people or this problem that things will be better. it is on all of us to speak to each other and tell stories not make arguments. >> let me try and respond to a lot of that, as it pertains to responsibility. i think there is a fine balance from covering the trial or looking at the consequences of a certain type of behavior or looking at anti-democratic behavior or looking at a crime being committed and admitted to by a former president. ignoring that is almost being a part of what, i think, fascist do, which is desensitize a population. so i think it is a fine balance that no one is perfect at striking and looking at the accomplishments of president biden because they exists, by the way, they are historic, actually, not about us, it is not how we feel about them they are historic. so that is a balance i think the media struggles with but then there is the other issue of networks, websites, that tell lies. that complete the corrode the truth. that make it looks like the presidency has ruined the economy and that is just where it begins. i guess now let's talk about responsibility of the american citizen. how do you explain that responsibility at a time like this when you need to look at history in order to understand what has happened and shape the future, but you have a firehose of lots of different things coming at you. >> that is the question. you framed it so beautifully. i don't think we entirely know the answer. we to know, that as the novelist richard potter says, all we do is argue and we need to learn to tell stories. we find ourselves in silo just by the way things are speaking to the converted, everyone is going yes, i agree. what i have tried to do is tell stories that do not have a america in front of it, to say these are stories that we share. if we reclaim a shared history that is diverse and complicated, has all the elements of a good story, then we don't get stuck, which i was trying to say, was about this coming election. it was really about our responsibility to each other not to completely always go into the binary, black or white, or straight, everything we do so the responsibility i think goes back to the ancients, it is not even american democratic founding . it is no yourself . mark twain says nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits. we are always happy to tell other people what they are doing wrong. all the work of life, in our communities, of course in the government, comes from our own self-discipline. our own willingness to choose virtue over vulgarity. that is what we have got to be talking people about and asking them, making those clear distinctions, as you said . also telling the more complicated stories about how democracy works. dictators always say, look, i have the easy solution. here is how we do it. we take 15 million people and get them out of here. or we stop the press, which is noisy over here, or we do that, all of a sudden people become susceptible . thomas jefferson said it, all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable. he is saying, the history of human beings we have been subjects. we have been superstitious peasants under some authoritarian rule. you are going to have to be a citizen and he will be individual responsibilities, the first of which is to vote. that is hugely important, but it requires being informed. the time of our revolutionary field i am working on we are reading thomas paine, the new hampshire gazette, we were getting reports from georgia. people wanted to be informed. now we just listen to what we want to hear and it reinforces how bad the other is. i think they were right, you need to start altering the narrative to have conversations, to make clear distinctions, but also remind people of this fundamental responsibility. that is why your question is so central to the survival of our republic. >> the full commencement address to brandeis is online now through his digital platform. in emmy award-winning filmmaker, ken burns, thank you so much. thank you for delivering 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