coming to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york city. welcome to alex witt reports . we begin with new fallout and w also the reaction to this historic verdict in donald trump's hush money trial. donald trump's attorney, acknowledging there is a chance the former president of the united states may be sentenced to jail time following his conviction on 34 felony counts. blanche telling the ap the defense will argue strenuously for a non-incarcerated tory sentence. and a short time ago new reaction from republican house speaker mike johnson's comments on saying trump's verdict will be overturned. here's what clark brewster, the attorney representing stormy daniels told me here on msnbc. >> the idea that they were some part of some conspiracy is nonsense and these 12 people that spent all the time in that courtroom, weeks listen to the evidence and according to the oath return a verdict is a true and honest verdict based upon the facts and evidence and i ct witnessed a couple days of that flow in that courtroom and anyone that saw the speaker of the house guaranteeing a reversal, he has no idea what he's talking about. he wasn't present. he doesn't have the evidence or the instructions. it's offensive. anyone involved in the trial too hear that kind of garbage? >> trump has said that he planss to file an appeal. we have many correspondents and analysts in place to go over all of these new developments are going to bring in david henderson, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor and devlin barrett, just as reporter for the washington post . he was at the courthouse when the verdict was read. welcome to you both and thank you for joining us. devlin, react to what i just to played from stormy daniels attorney. >> this whole notion that and more ore to fight appeals coming, i think -- appeals are longshot. they are always a long shot. i think this notion that the appeals process, he has a fighters chance and he feels -- appeals process is not accurate for most appeals pick the appeals processes are long shots. so i think the political reaction will be the political reaction. people will say hold out hope for things and i would certainly never rule out what the future may hold, but i think you have to understand going into the appeals process that those are tough odds. >> let's bring you into the conversation to talk about the political fallout. and before we move more to the bigger picture of what is coming next, i want to talk about how the campaign is managing all of this fallout. >> this, for donald trump, will be a moment. how do you make the best politically out of what is legally not great, especially looking at a potential prison sentence for confinement or a fine. there's really no way to twist this on its legal and and that's were politically they raised $52 million, they claimed , over the first 24 hours after the verdict and you've seen his republican allies step up in his defense. larry hogan running for u.s. senate in maryland spoke up and suggested that people should respect the rule of law and the verdict. and of course chris acevedo, a campaign organizer to trump replied the campaign was over. but when you look at this for the democrats, they have stayed silent during the course of this trial and joe biden gave limited words yesterday other than calling for the rule of law to be respected as it has for 250 years here take a listen though because donald trump specifically has gone on the attack accusing joe biden of orchestrating this entire thing, which is unfounded. yet he is using that rhetoric to win political meal tickets. >> this is all done by biden and his people. >> it's reckless. it's dangerous. it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts. now he will be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity. >> i think when you compare the way the democrats approached the donald trump trial, largely not talking about stormy daniels or michael cohen are the underlying facts of the case of the testimony that came out but the white house was silent throughout. compare that to the way the republicans have used hunter biden's on criminal proceedings, his trial getting underway and the way they have used every little detail that comes out related to hunter biden which is a political weapon. there are two different approaches the sides have taken and the question is, does that stay the same over five months s are the two different approaches that change now that the general election is becoming near? >> draw on what von is talking about when it comes to a political approach as were getting into the crux of what is campaign season and the line in which they biden cam specifically has to walk without playing into the narrative that it was biden's justice department and bidens doing that donald trump wasn't that convicted, which is h completely false, as we all well know but could play into donald trump's narrative. >> so the first thing, as vaughn said, obviously, the manhattan district attorney does not take instructions from biden den or the administration. there are two different parts of government and that's not how american law works? second, i think one of the things that every politician facing criminal cases deals with is there is a political way to approach criminal charges, and there is a legal way to is approach criminal charges. and i think what you saw and the trump trial that just ended is the political approach often works badly in court because he was convicted on all counts. i assume that trump will keep applying this political approach to what he's doing buth that risks a jail sentence. on the biden and, to me what was most fascinating about that statement is his son hunter biden is about to go on trial next week in delaware. we must respect the process. we must respect the verdict. that means in some ways much ea more and is more consequential for president biden see that we may very well have a verdict against his son in a matter of days. so were just in a very interesting time politically and legally, all of it. and it cuts a lot of different ways. >> david i want to talk about the restrictions in place for former president donald trump and the lead up to the sentencing on july 11. these presentencing interviews that take place by the privations department in which they were interview, for instance, donald trump's family members that they could interview don junior, a vodka, alina, people connected to the former president. another not required to do so but what is required by the former president by that process? >> what is required depends on whether or not he was to be sentenced to probation as opposed to go to jail. they're not strict requirements but highly persuasive for the person who will ultimately be deciding your fate. the first big question that's asked in interviews is what is your criminal history. former president trump doesn't have any. they will ask do you have any substance abuse issues are issues to alcohol we should take into consideration? he claims he's is not an ace is that part of the interview look at the questions he will find uncomfortable. for example, they are allowed to assess his mental health and determine whether or not he needs counseling and whether or not he would cooperate with participating in counseling. i think he feels that part of ee the exam. and they will also ask how he feels about the charges brought against him and whether or not he accepts the jury verdict. as you said, he doesn't have to answer but the problem here is it's not difficult to look at statements he's made publicly about both and it's impossible for judge merchan to ignore those and it's impossible to ignore the fact that judge merchan appears to be someone who cares about fairness and it's almost impossible not to compare trump with michael cohen. michael cohen was an imperfect trial n.witness . he has a near- perfect punishment witness to compare trump to in this regard. you have someone who pled ve guilty and he accepted his punishment. he shows remorse and he did hisd time. different charges. different structure. but still it's difficult to look at someone who's is i did not do anything wrong at all. i don't have any remorse at all and then conclude that person should not serve any jail time at all. >> david, d.a. alan bragg had a conference after the conviction just across the street and he did not indicate either way as to whether or not the prosecutors would ask, are the manhattan d.a.s office will last for jail time. what goes into accounting for what they ask for when it comes to sentencing? >> they are going to think about the exact same things judge 24 will think about and that's what abrupt on in terms of the presentencing interview and what it consists of pick something bragg will think about is making sure that no one can come back and say that trump received any unfair treatment that could be used against him in terms of an appeal. in that regard it's easy to look at this conviction or soon to be convention and conclude this was a slamdunk from the beginning. it was not. and the things that bragg has done well are easy to overlook, not the least of which is staying calm in the face of all the public attacks against the system, which he is the center of one involves the prosecution. i think this recommendation will be balanced so no one can come back and claim that trump did not get a fair trial. former president trump is correct about one thing. he did receive an unfair trial. it was a wildly unfair in his favor. he got away with things that people never get away with fromn the judge and not from the prosecutor and all of that will inhibit his ability ultimately to successfully appeal this court. >> i was speaking to stormy daniels' attorney and the hour before last, this is my third hour on now, and i asked him if stormie was going to attend the sentencing hearing and he said if the prosecutors asked for her to attend, she will likely attend because she respects them. if she were to attend the sentencing hearing, which you have a role in that hearing? >> yes but i don't she will have a role in this hearing. i think would be different if are talking about a special crime where she was a direct victim of the offense but something that is important to keep in mind when you are a he prosecutor is how these cases impact individuals who are at the center of the case and how they are made to feel over the course of litigation. i do think there are aspects ofe what stormie had to endure that will be meaningful for her to sit in the courtroom and observe the sentencing. it's unthinkable to think they will let her be part of in that respect. >> in the last hour we were talking about who was the victim here? with suzanne craig we asked, was that how voters would be at the victim. how would you represent voters as the victim in this trial during the sentencing hearing? >>g the voters represent the general public and our criminal justice system has been under fire for quite some time and ui that's been perpetuated by trump because what he is forcing us to realize is how unfair the system can be. and in that regard it's important to hold him accountable to what you would hold anyone else accountable in this circumstance. i would look at judge merchan ul and i would say i understand he is a former president but at the same time we both know anyone who is behaved the way he has up to this point would be facing jail time in response to his conduct because ultimately the question is this -- is this someone we can work with on probation or is this someone we need to put behind bars? one of the considerations in the analysis is whether or not this person maintains company with disreputable people, and he does. he is a surprising number of people he associates with you either landed themselves behind bars or fear -- currently facing charges. he's not anyone who under any other circumstance would be a good candidate for probation despite the fact he does not have a criminal history. >> there is one thing i keep going back to, which was trump's gag order violation hearing with judge juan merchan. andy actually said to the court on the record that he certainly did not want to have to put the former president of the united states in jail for violation of a gag order and not just because it would slow the process of the trial down at the time, which seems like it was now 10 months ago despite the fact it was only a couple weeks ago at this point but because he is the former president of the united states and the message that was sent to the general public. do you think we can draw from that commentary from the judge as to where he will land when it comes to the sentencing? >> you know, that's a great point. i think we can draw from it. i think what merchan said in that moment is don't make me do it . and i think that's been merchan's posture on a lot of these issues with donald trump since the trial began and even before. and i think to all the great points that have been made, i think you can sum that up to say donald trump's behavior running into the sentencing is incredibly important because what they want, but the system e once from defendants who have been convicted is some acknowledgment of wrongdoing. he doesn't want to do that. 't and that makes it -- my dogs have found wrongdoing -- i apologize. back to you. >> we always love a good dog interruption. i've had a couple myself. got to love it. david and devlin, stick with me. donald trump says he is going to appeal but on what grounds? how the judge trump lambasted closed off many avenues for that appeal. we are back in just 90 seconds. maximum air flow. so, i breathe better. and we both sleep better. and stay married. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd, things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare—ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ask your doctor about breztri. the people of our country know it's a hoax. you know it's a hope. they get it. you know, they are really smart and it's really something. so we will be appealing this scam. >> we are back with former prosecutor david henderson and devlin barrett, reporter for the washington post. devlin, trump has repeatedly said this verdict is a scam. he continues to deny any type of relationship or interaction with stormy daniels back in 2006, despite the testimony we heard on the stand from stormy daniels. you watch these proceedings day in and day out. what do you make so far of what we are seeing from the former president? >> look. i think that he is trying to come up with politically palatable explanations for a guilty verdict. and a guilty on all counts verdict. he's been pre-gaming this outcome for a while saying the jury won't be fair. the judge won't be fair. but now he has a larger problem, which is that the verdict was guilty on all counts. so i think a lot of what he's doing is design for his political audience. the fundamental problem he has is its being squeezed does the political solution makes a legal problem worse is his basic problem. a lot of what he is saying -- i was struck by most of what he said at that postverdict announcement. it's bad for his sentencing. >> david i want to talk about and appeals here and it and appeals process, i should say. and specifically for someone -- i want to play for you todd blanche responding to the possibility and/or how likely it will happen in appeal. >> your confident on appeal what is your number one issue quick don't give me a legal brief that you haven't written yet. >> i think the recusal issue is meaningful. the statute of limitations but the background of why this case was brought is meaningful. i think the witnesses -- i do not think michael cohen should ever be somebody who can be relied upon to convict somebody. >> does he have grounds for an appeal? recusal and the statute of limitations? those things were both dealt with. >> they were both dealt with. in a nutshell, will there be an appeal? absolutely. the percentages somewhere north of 100%. at the same time does he have a valid basis for an appeal? no. and let's pick up on stormy daniels is a good example as to why because it comes down to this. you are allowed to have a really bad trial strategy, which they did. a smart trial strategy would be to admit you had with stormy daniels. just stipulate to it and then you can say judge, there is no reason to get into any details whatsoever about exactly what happened. once the prosecution establishes what her role was before the colors a witness you can say, judge, we stipulated and established what happens with stormy daniels. no need for her to come to the stand except to sensationalize the trial. instead they got up an opening statement and said she was a lyle and during direct examination they did not object with certain details that came up and that's important because when they moved for a mistrial in light of some of the detail she got into, judge merchan said, look, when this came up i was shocked he did not object, but you did not object. and you open the door to it beginning in your opening statement and what he is effectively saying is this was your trial strategy so don't come whining to me now that the fact that you say it didn't work. and that's what appellate courts will look at. they will look at the fact that since he was sitting there and since he saw the pitch he was the best position to determine if it was a ball or strike but they will give great deference to him as the trial judge and that's why i say they will appeal but i don't think they have good grounds. >> the new york times also reporting an appeal will be a referendum on judge juan merchan, however , the judge has closed off a lot of avenues for that appeal, full well knowing they were going to appeal based on some of his actions inside the courtroom. >> that's exactly right. and as a lawyer watching it, it's something i think is easy to overlook. but it's amazing how regulated judge merchan was during the trial. to be frank with you at times i thought he was too fair to trump and the reason i felt that way is because i found myself thinking i've seen people get incarcerated or a trial for being disrespectful to the judge at the bench when the jury is not present. these outbursts the trump head inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom i thought to myself, he's going so far it's unfair to everyone else who stands trial, but now that the jury -- >> you think you could've been incarcerated when he violated this gag orders? >> in my heart i felt that way, yes. but now that the guilty -- the jury has found him guilty that gives merchan eminence to say that i was balancing therewith this minute for the limits his ability to appeal based on conduct? payment what do you suspect when it comes to post sentencing? were looking at july 11 for sentencing. we don't have any idea what the sentence will look like but he is the presumptive republican nominee for president a couple days later and he will accept the nomination and make his way towards november. i'll be looking at a sentence that is delayed based upon appeal and then what if he wins the white house? >> look. all of these things are possible which is why this is such a fascinating case to cover. i'm not a politics reporter. i'm just a court rep, basically. and i've got to tell you, we are in uncharted territory here so we will have to see how the judge is all the stuff you're going to have to see how trump response. remember that trump said in his postverdict announcement that he would call america a fascist country that those are the kinds of things that basically dara judge to give him some kind of punishment, and carson tory sentence. that is a dangerous game of playing with fire. and will have to see how these two things, the political and legal world, come to had with each other. >> i'm sure that merchan understands trump would speak out after the sentencing. there is no expectation that donald trump would not be donald trump or that he was not going to really be anybody who had just been found guilty on 34 counts in the falsification of business records he was in the public eye so how much he will actually take that into account, i think , is really in question. can you talk me through what we can expect from an actual sentencing? what would look like, even though we won't have cameras inside the courtroom does what will it look like for our reporters that will be writing to us standing outside the courtroom telling us what it looks like? >> so, you're going to have the prosecutors get up and ask for the sentence they want. i will tell you just in the brass tacks of this that i think it's a relatively -- it's a safer path for them to ask for some sort of incarceration sentence even if that's weekends or house arrest, which obviously some people would view as not being an actual sentence. is the easier path for prosecutors to push for that and given everything that trump is done, i think they can make a lot of good arguments for why they think that it's the case and then you will have the trump lawyers make their argument for why it shouldn't be an and carson tory sentence and i will assume they should ask whatever sentence that it's essentially suspended pending the appeal. i think that's going to be the key issue in all this and i think this is where the real rubber hits the road they're going to ask trump a chance to speak before his sentence and that is really where i think he could do tremendous damage to his chances of getting out of that room clean, so to speak. you know, i don't want to predict the future. i don't think anybody can but i think we can make a guess as to what sorts of things trump might say in that situation? >> there's there's a possibility merchan could be in the pension have in mind what he's going to do . donald trump could speak and he could change it? >> it's always possible. i think most judges go into a sentencing, especially because they are presentence reports with a strong idea of where they are going. but the reason you hold the hearing -- sadly i'm a jets fan and there's a famous jet sentence that you play to win the games. the reason you hold the hearing is to determine the sentence and things can happen at that hearing that change the sentence. and with donald trump things can be unexpected. >> devlin barrett, thank you. david henderson, thank you. something has changed in the israel hamas conflict. while this development bring peace? some answers, hopefully, coming up next. blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? fo well, look no further!n relief, prilosec otc. safe step's best offer, just got better! now, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds! the therapeutic benefits of a warm, soothing bath that can help increase mobility, relieve pain, boost energy, and even improve sleep! or, if you prefer, you can take a refreshing shower. all-in-one product! call now to receive a free shower package plus 15% off your brand new safe step walk-in tub. higher shipping rates may be “the cost of doing business...” but at what cost? turn shipping to your advantage. with low cost ground shipping from the united states postal service. ♪♪ welcome back. the president and his campaign are issuing some of the strongest birth to date about donald trump's hush money case and is coming one day after donald trump was found guilty of all 34 felony counts. i want to bring in aaron gilchrist at the white house. good to talk to you. what are we hearing from the president about this verdict? >> reporter: president biden said this verdict against former president trump reaffirms the principle that no one is above the law in this country. he only spoke for a few minutes yesterday, largely trying to shore up respect for the judicial process, but also called president trump by name and blasted him for suggesting the judicial system was stacked against him. listen to this. >> they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts. now he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity. that's how the american system of justice works and it's reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict. >> reporter: the president's campaign reacted long before president biden addressed the verdict in new york saying no one is above the law, but also kidding trump with that label of convicted felon. again, calling him a threat to democracy, leaning into the message that we will continue to hear from the campaign for months to come that the only way to keep donald trump out of the white house is to vote and vote for president biden. the president was scheduled for these remarks yesterday to talk about developments in the middle east. this was a unique moment for president biden to abruptly add a speech to his schedule and layout in a detailed way the key points of the deal that he says is on the table now between israel and hamas. we know hamas has been presented with this three-step deal that includes a cease- fire, a withdrawal of israeli troops from gaza, the release of hostages and palestinian prisoners. there is also a surge of aid into gaza and the reconstruction of gaza, all part of this deal. the president called this plan a real path to a better future for everyone involved and is imploring is really leaders who support the deal to stand behind it regardless of any pressure they might see and he called on everyone who wants peace to raise their voices and let leaders know they should take this deal. we should note that we have just heard that the is really prime minister has accepted an invitation from the u.s. congress to speak before a joint meeting of congress. we don't yet have a date for that, but the is really prime minister said he looks forward to doing that for what his office that will be his fourth time. >> thank you, aaron. i want to bring in democratic congressman from massachusetts, jake auchincloss to talk about this. take you for joining us we have a couple things to cover so bear with me. i want to start with the former president of the united states and his conviction. what is your reaction to his conviction and do you think donald trump should serve prison time? >> i'm not surprised by the conviction. every time since 2016 and american voter and everyday citizens have been able to weigh in on the quality of trump's character they have found him wanting and this verdict was no exception pick prison time is a decision for a judge, not a politician. i'm not going to weigh in on that. what i will weigh in on is that donald trump's behavior here is part of a larger fact pattern that divides democrats and republicans on the core issue of law and order that the republican party is not the party of law and order despite what they claim. the trying to define the fbi into funding -- search to our classrooms and now nominate a convicted felon for president. democrats of an opportunity. if democrats earn better trust on law and order issues we can win elections on that. >> i want to transition and talk about israel and then will touch on ukraine. first, when it comes to israel, do you support the president's immediate cease-fire deal? >> phase one of this deal is the most concrete and actionable and i support the temporary cease-fire in return for hostage release. functionally the same that's been on the table for months and what israel has supported and hamas has reject. underscores the imperative for countries of good conscience the world over, and in particular the arab states that have been an economic lifeline for hamas, to put real pressure on these terrorists to finally put humanity first and release these hostages and allow the palestinians they are using as human shields to access humanitarian aid. >> despite the fact that israel and the united states have a strong ally ship, it seems like president biden is speaking in a different direction than prime minister ben yahoo and i want to wait for you what netanyahu put out sing israel's condition for ending the war have not changed. the distraction of hamas military and governing capabilities, the freeing of hostages and ensuring that gaza no longer poses a threat to israel under the proposal israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before permanent cease-fires put in place but the notion israel will agree to a permanent cease- fire before these conditions are fulfilled is a nonstarter. what is your reaction to that? >> that tension circles around phase two and three and not around phase one which is a temporary cease-fire in exchange for hostage release which is been well supported and established proposal for a month that hamas has rejected. is there tension between biden and netanyahu? there is but that's not the same as between the united states and israel. i would point out there are three voting members of the israeli war cabinet and two out of the three agree with joe biden that israel's strategy and gaza needs to pair governance alongside military operations in order to defeat hamas, which is necessary for permanent cease-fire because hamas has broken by previous cease-fires and his promise to break a six and has as part of its charter the destruction of the jewish people so a permanent cease-fire can't include hamas but the still daylight between the war cabinet joe biden on that but netanyahu has , i think, antifriction here pointing to phases two and three mac but not towards phase one which is the actionable step. >> do you think netanyahu should address a joint session of congress in light of his actions in gaza and continue assault into trying for as president biden and his administration asked netanyahu not to do? >> i would prefer the prime minister netanyahu focus attention on the war cabinet and ensuring that he is governing toward the war cabinet's consensus, which as i said two out of three not disagree with his core strategy in gaza. having said that for my approach to this, i have attended every head of government addressed to congress. it's my intention to maintain that batting record. but that's months down the road. i'll cross that bridge when we get to it. >> i want to talk ukraine. president zelenskyy is set to meet with you a sense -- u.s. defense secretary after the biden administration made of major policy shift this week. what your expectations from this meeting? >> it wasn't major enough. the biden administration has authorized ukraine to strike inside russian territory only near kharkiv. the united states needs to authorized ukraine to use u.s.-made weapons on any russian site anywhere with military application. that means energy infrastructure and troop staging sites, industrial sites. russia is waging total war against ukraine and ukraine can only fight back against total war by undermining the industrial tenets of it. and that particularly applies to airpower. when i was a marine officer in afghanistan i patrolled and i had the full freight of u.s. airpower behind me and that's a good feeling when you know there are f-16 there and long- range missiles. ukrainian soldiers to serve the same support. >> congressman, thank you. will it hurt them or help them? 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>> is certainly could and it doesn't have to move a lot for it to have a significant impact. we are a very divided country. there were very few people in the middle but they do still decide elections. i do want to see a lot more dated before we make any decisions. any poll that comes out in the immediate aftermath is going to be a little noisy because the news is so right in front of you. it's not hard to imagine that this fades into the background and it is a dominating issue weeks and months from now. any small sling could matter. i do want to say of course republicans have always stuck with donald trump and they will stick with him here. i do think it's significant that this could energize republicans pick this is potentially or was on track to be not quite as high of a turnout election as we gotten used to recently where we can imagine both sides coming out in huge numbers. has been less interest in this election and less people paying attention and people are sick and tired of it. if republicans are energized and it seems like they are, that is a significant boon to donald trump and await urine you can't say democrats are as energized by this ruling as republicans seem to be. >> i'm going to pick on that in a moment about how democrats capitalize on this moment but i do think you are right in that when you think back to all of the indictments and this is something i talked about last week, his poll numbers skyrocketed after each and every indictment. but poll numbers, as you know, are different than actual votes. people showing up and pulling a lever for one candidate or another so i'm wondering if they are energized by it. it's june now. if that energy will continue through november? >> well, obviously one of the big challenges donald trump has been facing is there are a lot of republics that have not been with him. nikki haley pulls 15 and 20% long after she has dropped out. we will see what data looks like but this could have the effect of pulling together all of those republicans or more of those republicans and saying, i want to be part of this team. i think this is overreach or, at least this is unfair in some way. and that could be, in small margins if there are enough people who say i'm going to throw in with them, that could be significant. >> let's talk about how democrats use this to their advantage and who uses it to their advantage? this is key. do you have president biden out on the campaign trail talking about how he's running against someone who is just been convicted on 34 felony counts? or is this the job of the surrogates to try to energize democratic voters to turn out in favor of joe biden in november so the president can separate himself and not play into the narrative that former president trump is trying to put out there? >> it is exactly the latter. what were seeing and what we expect to see ongoing is that the biden surrogates will be the one creating that contrast and lifting up the criminality that former president trump currently finds himself in. with that being said, the biden camper president biden himself, because of the fact we've seen donald trump try to instigate that president biden somehow influence this decision and president biden is the reason he was charged in president biden is pulling the puppet strings and is the reason why he was found guilty of these felonies and convicted on all counts, it does not help president biden to jump out and make certain statements in regard to this because it plays into the narrative that former president trump started pushing even before conviction happened and his first day in court. i think for the biden camp right now, the focus will be on the things that have been shown to matter to the american public themselves. the economy, women's reproductive rights in the things they will vote on in november and i will not change between now and november. i agree with brendan to a certain extent. anything can happen between june and november. but not too many voters are actually moved by this pick republicans aren't and democrats were already in the camp largely against trump anyway so i don't think this moves them either. what we have to focus on are those in the middle. the undecided voters and those less likely to turn out. will dissuade them or not? and time will tell. >> it's interesting because in the early hours after the conviction there was an announcement from the trump camp that they raised $35 million at the time and or not you put a social media post out that says i will believe it when i see the filings. the number has now grown to $53 million pick why are you skeptical of that? >> because one thing has been consistent with donald trump and the trump camp is they lie when they open their mouths and they lie with every tweet. this is like pinocchio pick in my community sometimes we use the term cap. this is trump creating something out of nowhere. it's hard to believe that within 48 hours donald trump's campaign amassed more money than it did the entire month last month. it's hard to believe the rnc and the trump camp that's been struggling to fund raise for a while now is all the sudden raking and the dough from donors, especially small dollar donors, which were the donors he had the most significant issues with anyway. that's not necessarily happening and i definitely don't believe it's happening to the tune of the amounts he is saying it is. we don't have any evidence of it other than a tweet and truth social. okay. >> okay. i think we lost her. brandon, last one to you. larry hogan, maryland governor said you have to listen to the rule of law and listen to the justice system and we have to respect it. and he is running for senate in maryland. after the verdict came out, trump campaign adviser tweeted out you just ended your campaign. how will this affect down ballot races for folks that are not falling in line behind trump? >> larry hogan is one of the few people who is not falling in line. >> and hasn't for a a while? >> yeah. i can't believe the trump people would do this. larry hogan could be the key to having a republican majority next year if donald trump were to win and try to move an agenda and to feel like you want to take out one of your potential, big flips over something like this is just senseless. i don't think this will be the issue that drives most down ballot elections but if there is enthusiasm here, that's good for anybody. larry hogan has a unique position where he is in a pretty blue state and trying to buck a lot of difficult trends so he has a very difficult balancing act he has to walk there. what if donald trump is throwing him and elbow along the way, that is a really dumb move on their part. >> thank you. next, mexico's historic election. why the implications for the u.s. are huge. we will be right back. are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪ bombas makes absurdly comfortable underwear. made to move with you, not on you. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order. when you put in the effort, but it starts to frizz... you skipped a step. tresemmé silk serum. use before styling for three days of weightlessly smooth hair that frizz can't beat. new tresemmé keratin smooth collection. this is remington. ...he's a member of the family, for sure. we always fed them kibble— it just seemed like the thing to do. but ...he was getting picky we heard about the farmer's dog... and it was a complete transformation. his coat was so soft, he had amazing energy. he was a completely different dog. it's a no-brainer that (remi) should have the most nutritious and delicious food possible. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. welcome back. today nearly 100 million voters in mexico are heading to the polls for an election on sunday that could see a woman elected president of the first time in this country's history. but the race has been overshadowed by a ton of political violence. mexico's electoral process began in september and more than 200 people have been killed including 34 candidates for option as you want to bring in from mexico city are telemundo host to talk about this. take you for joining us. talk to us about these two fema frontrunners for president and how the selection could impact the u.s.. >> yes. nice to be with you. it is a historic moment not only for mexico but for democracy in the whole world. for the first time in any other democracy two women are the front runners in a presidential election. on the one side we have shane bown running on policies that the president put in place during his six years in government. he is a very popular president. and then we have claudia sheinbaum leading a coalition of older parties and is basically running on fixing what she believes is a mess that lopez over dart brought to mexico. she is more charismatic. however, every poll shows shane bauer about 20 point ahead and preferences. most people believe it will be she who wins tomorrow unless we see some sort of surprise. >> this is the largest election in mexican history with more than 20,000 offices up for grabs right now. but it has been plagued by hundreds of political actors of violence. what is driving this? >> correct. it is a real problem in mexico. democracy, in some cases and mexico is in danger and that's why this is so important for the united states. two words. power and control. according to the u.s. army, a third of the mexican territory is under control of the drug cartels so when you see politicians being assassinated while running for office at a local level, you can see how criminal organizations are deciding who runs the country, who runs public offices at local levels. and it's a real problem and probably the biggest challenge for the next president. most mexicans according to every poll think that crime and violence is the number one problem in this country. we talked to some younger voters and this is what they have to say about it. >> i think security issues will be the biggest challenge. it's no secret that mexico has a bad drug problem, especially with drug traffickers. the insecurity in the violence. i think that's the main problem in the main issue the next president will have to address head-on. >> i think it's a lot of people who think that they can just attack women and don't have a response. i think it's a combination of culture and impunity. >> there you go. you gave the numbers. 34 politicians who are running for office at lower levels were murdered during this campaign. >> unbelievable. thank you. appreciate it. breaking news to tell you about and not one but two stories coming up next. so, what are you thinking? 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