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Catherine christian as the former assistant District Attorney for the manhattan District Attorneys office. Welcome all. Good morning. Good morning. It is like a dramatic pause. Get the weight of it. Go ahead. Well, can we start where we ended . And catherine, do you think that it is true that the defense has not been able to unravel the prosecutions assertion yet that donald trump was aware of the payments, and what you think about Michael Collins performance of a lack of a better term this week. Let me just say, the Manhattan Das Office would have never brought this case, and just for lying on the testimony of cohen if they didnt believe they had enough of what he was going to say corroborated and they had enough Circumstantial Evidence of guilt. That is why you heard the excerpts from Donald Trumps book, basically describing himself as a micromanager, knowing about the paperclips, reading the invoices from the decorators. That is why you had david pecker, the National Enquirer person at the beginning, laying out the whole conspiracy , laying out that he is detail oriented and micromanaging. So, what you hear brought in by the prosecution, really that donald trump did not know about an advisor that reported directly to him, and Michael Cohen reported that directly to him, he did not know what they were doing and you have those 11 checks to donald trump signed. So, that is going to be the prosecutions argument. Suzanne, one of the things that i thought was pretty interesting in this cross of Michael Cohen was all focus on revenge. The fact that you had the idea that cohen was singularly focused on this. This is the thing that moved him more than anything else. What was your take regarding the effectiveness of this Revenge Angle to sort of create that moment of death for one juror to say, really at the end of the day this brother was just mad. I think we have to step back and talk a little bit about michael before i get to that. Because michael is critical for people who are kind of following this, minute by minute. He is the person who can set the table for the criminal disguise of the documents. He is the only person, he is the through line. Theres a lot of Circumstantial Evidence, but he has testified to conversations that he had with donald trump that go right to the criminality of those documents, the big ten. What was Donald Trumps intent. Those conversations are critical, and the states, i found them powerful when they were playing in court. There were tapes of Michael Cohen goading his revenge motives, i mean, he has been made out at this guy who was so loyal to donald trump you would do everything, and now the defense has turned that and said that he is so bent on revenge that he would do anything and they played some tapes of his podcast in court for the jury and Michael Cohen was railing about how his family went to jail and he wants to see Trump Go To Jail and he was calling in crazy names. It was im sure it had an effect on me, i imagine it has had an effect on the jury. And all of this week was sort of when i think about this week and we were sitting in court, there was a lot of information that was coming out of that really didnt have to do with the case, it had to do with Michael Cohens credibility. And prosecutors for a while were jumping around, it was frustrating to listen to. They were going through the various times that he has lied under oath, and it is important, because he is lying under oath, the implication is that he would be lying on the stand now. But it was all leading to that moment, where they tried to discredit him. I think they did an effective job, whether or not jurors are going to walkway and say, okay, now we are going to just disregard Everything Tackle colin said is an open question. Because, as catherine said, theres a lot of Circumstantial Evidence that backs up with Michael Cohen said. Because there is the revenge, there is the question of Michael Cohens credibility as a witness as it relates to previous but there was also this exchange about a phone call that really seems, to your point, about you need just one juror who has a little bit of skepticism. So, todd blanche, the attorney for donald trump, he asked cohen about this call that happened in 2016. You know, the way that cohen initially recounts it is, that is a conversation that we have, specifically about what is happening in this case, and then he shows him some Text Messages that would suggest that they, either additionally talked about a personal security issue or that they instead talked about a personal security issue. Do think that plans for the jury, especially given blanches dramatic rendering of it, where he says to that was a lie . s initial version had been on direct examination, so the prosecution brought out that this was the time that you spoke to donald trump about Stormy Daniels. Yes. And then it turns out, cross, well, actually there was this 14yearold that i was concerned about, so that is why i really was contacting schiller, and there are these Text Messages that were around the same time, so it called into doubt what he said on direct examination. It is about the prosecutor on redirect to retake it. If they cant well, there is either going to have to be he made a mistake. I always say to my witnesses, if they testify to a grand jury on the south side of the street. On the north side they say, so you made a mistake in the grand jury, correct. I mean, i dont know, whether or not this was this could be blamed on mr. Cohen, or the prosecution for failure to really prep and say to him, wait a minute, how could you have done it, we have these Text Messages. So, they have to clear it up on reexamination, if they dont, we have a problem. Can we put it up on the screen while we have it, because we have part of the transcript, because literally todd blanche is like yelling. You know . This is from the daily beast, but this part of the transcript. He is saying that was a lie. He is raising his voice, jabbing the pen in his right hand, you did not talk to President Trump on that night. You admitted. And then , no sir, i cant, i am not certain that isnt accurate. Probably because he is sitting there saying i dont remember those Text Messages, he is sort of thinking, and that is why i said, is that a Failure Preparation on the part of the prosecution and not finding the Text Messages, the same way that the defense did and say to him, well, werent you also texting about the 14 yearold at the same time youre talking about Stormy Daniels . So, the prosecution has to clear that. So, that says to me that, again everything up to this moment seemed to really kind of lay down some good predicates for the prosecution. The defense, despite how they started off making it about, you know, themselves, about himself, they land it. They wanted some good punches against . In their Cross Examination of him. To the point, catherine says, there has been some redirection here. We are going to clean some stuff up on aisle nine, because there was some spillage that no one seems to account for. How does that, i mean, i guess you can say maybe the jury is unfazed by it, they have sort of started to make this cake a certain way, that, yeah, you know, its still a little soft in the middle, but it is pretty tight for the prosecution, or is this is this a point, where you sit back and go, yeah, there are a number of points here, in which you could this case sort of go a little bit longer, in terms of its decision by the jury . They are not going to come out, oh, he is guilty, but there are some reasonable doubt that has been created . Well, i like your Grocery Store analogy. Maybe i just have to go shopping later, but i like there is a spell on aisle nine. Aisle 10 and 11, four, five, and six still i think look pretty good for the prosecution, but it is a tricky thing, because Michael Cohen, i want to say, i know people are watching arent necessarily paying attention to this every day. He was a good witness. I mean, he is known as being very volatile. There is a lot of concern coming into this that he may erupt. He has been talking about the case against the advice of prosecutors, while the case has been going on. I thought he was a good witness, but you have got to give credit, where credit is due to the defense that they did land this one, particularly this one punch about this call, and the defense didnt or sorry, the prosecution didnt apparently prepare for it. He had forgotten about the 14 yearold. You know, theres two things, he was allegedly a 14yearold, anticalled Keith Schiller about the guy that seems to be top of mind for Michael Cohen on this call or, you know the other possibility is that Michael Cohen is lying on the stand. These are conversations that happened between Michael Cohen and donald trump and that is why it is so important that jurors believe Michael Cohen on this. But there are other calls they called donald trump multiple ones that the defense hasnt questioned him on. We still have a bit of Cross Examination left on monday morning, but they have been very careful, they just havent so far waded into a lot of what Michael Cohen has said about the heart of the Case Prosecutors are banking on. Catherine, thank you for sticking around, that shame showing up for donald trump in his new york court room, and how they might be helping trump get around the gag order. You are watching the weekend. Were still going for that nice catch. Were still going for that perfect pizza. And with higher stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem,. Were going for a better treatment than warfarin. Eliquis. Eliquis reduces stroke risk. And has less major bleeding. Over 97 of Eliquis Patients did not experience a stroke. Dont Stop Taking Eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. Eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. Dont take eliquis if you have an Artificial Heart Valve or abnormal bleeding. 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Trump has already been hit with 10,000 in fines and now it appears he has found a way to say his peace without ever moving his lips. Senator, tommy tuberville. Hopefully we have more and more senators and congressmen go up every day to represent him and to be able to go out and overcome this gag order. That is one of the reasons we went, to be able to speak our peace for President Trump. Suzanne and catherine christian. They went to speak their piece, they want to speak their piece for donald trump. So, suzanne, how how does that work . In the sense that they can they can stand outside the courtroom the things outside the courtroom that donald trump cant say that that be a problem. Is there a line we dont know about in your coverage of trials that we dont know . And catherine, maybe catherine can tell us, you know, as a prosecutor, what that line looks like as well. But im just curious, to me it seems that there is trouble here, i dont know, and i guess that is the advantage that the republican think they have right now is that, because they have found a way to shave the truth and that the law, the requirements of the law on top of it waiting for someone to catch them. I think catherine may be i think will be able to speak to that, but i know, they came pretty close to it and i was playing, i was thinking of that interview at new York Magazine gave on msnbc this week. He was in the courtroom. He actually saw donald trump writing down things that these folks should say, because donald trump has got pretty narrow lanes, in terms of what he can say. So, he is directing them, according to what andrew saw about what to say out there. It seems like donald trump cant say it, who is just wanting people to say it, it seems pretty crazy about me. But i think we are living in crazy. So we should play the sound. Lets play the interview of andrew on chris hayes saying what he saw. Welcome in court yesterday actually i was sitting close enough that i could actually look over trumps shoulder and see what he was reading. At one point he was actually reading the notes that these individuals were and going through and making notations with a pen on the paper. Before or after . While testimony was going on, while Michael Cohen was testifying against him he was actually going and going through and annotating and editing the quotes of these people going through. I have the same face that alex wagner had. What . Wheres the line . Wheres the line . Hopefully the prosecutors were watching that, because until that interview i was saying there is really not much proof that donald trump is directing these people, Speaker Of The House to say