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MSNBCW Inside July 3, 2024

His longtime friend and adviser lanny davis is standing by, here in studio for an exclusive preview. Andrew wiseman and Kristi Greenberg both watched Stormy Daniels testify this weekend they will join me as well. Also today, a rant about a fictional cannibal was not the most concerning thing the president said yesterday. Biden Campaign Spokesperson adrian elrod joins me with reaction. Later, my rent Nsand Colleae ali velshi stops by to talk about his book and how acts of courage are the engine of democracy. Okay, the date was january 12th, 2018 and this was the headline on the Wall Street Journal. Trump lawyer arrange 130,000 payment for Adult Film Star silence. Obviously it was a Grabbing Headline by 2018 standards but there was also a lot going on at the time. The big news that night was actually the sitting president of the United States saying something completely racist about african countries. But that story from the Wall Street Journal, the one about the hush money for the star managed to break through that night. Quite a story in the Wall Street Journal and i quote, trump lawyer arrange 130,000 payment for Adult Film Star silence. The payment to Stephanie Clifford who performs under Stormy Daniels was arranged by r trump attorney Michael Cohen. This is an important story. Full disclosure, weve known each other a long time and i need to be honest with you. The story makes me want to leave my body. Okay, now the story was out there and rachel was understandably leaving her body as we just saw. We know that Michael Cohen had paid the money and it was clear that he did so on trumps behalf. Trump himself was playing dumb. Did you know about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels . No. Whited Michael Cohen make that if you can hear, that was Air Force One and he said, michael is my attorney, you will have to ask michael. Well, that was april 5th, 2018, just four days later on april 9th, the fbi executed a Search Warrant on Michael Cohens home and office in manhattan and according to prosecutors cohen spoke with trump on the day of the searches. Trump allegedly told him to quote, stay strong. And then on april 21st, a couple of weeks later, trump publicly encouraged cohen not to flip in a series of tweets. Saying quote, most people will flip if the government lets him out of trouble even if it means lying and making up stories so i dont see michael doing that. Fair to say did exactly age well when looking at a date and tomorrow. By august he pled guilty to camp invite violations and outlined the scheme, all of it and implicated his former boss. And in 2019 he revealed the details of the scheme to congress and the country. Mr. Trump directed me to use my own personal funds from a homeequity line of credit. To avoid any money being traced back to him, that could negatively impact his campaign. And im going to jail in part because of my decision to help mr. Trump hide that payment from the American People. Before they voted, a few days later. The president of the United States, thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money, as part of a criminal scheme to violate Campaign Finance laws. As you heard him say, Michael Cohen led on to serve federal prison for the same scheme donald trump is standing trial for her. The very same scheme and tomorrow, Michael Cohen is going to tell his story on the Witness Stand with donald trump sitting just a few feet away. To be in that courtroom tomorrow. This time after a parade of witnesses and avalanche of documents have backed up his story. And lay the groundwork what he owing to say. Just to remind you, david pecker described the meeting they hatched this scheme and hope hicks said it would not be in coins name nature to pay on his him. Madeleine testified she scheduled a meeting between cohen and the trumpet the white house where they discussed the payment. So cohen will talk about all of it over the next couple of days. It is all happening more than six years after we first read the story in the Wall Street Journal. But it is happening. The wheels of justice turn slowly, sometimes of frustratingly slowly but they do turn. And the one constant, is the neverending president ial campaign of donald trump. Lanny davis his longtime friend and former adviser to Michael Cohen and prepared him for his congressional testimony in 2019. I think that was you in the footage we just showed, sitting behind him as well, but he joins me now. Great to see you, thank you for taking the time. Seeing that has money and remembering the night before, preparing for the testimony is relevant as to what is going to face tomorrow. That is such a good leader and. Let me start on a personal note, you are a longterm adviser, you are a friend. How is he feeling about testifying . But evident that hes telling the truth and when you have the truth and you dont worry about telling the truth, it gives you confidence no matter what the attack is. He is confident hes got the facts and they are fully corroborated by others. So all he owing to be doing, no matter what the attack is, is to Say Something fully corroborated by other peoples testimony including friends of mr. Trump number documents, Text Messages and emails. Hes a pretty combative, i dont think he would mind being called combative. Is not exactly a shrinking violet. We have seen it in the courtroom, seen it on twitter and other things. What tone should we anticipate from him tomorrow . Again, that is relevant to what we have been through and i remind people when he testified on february 27th, 2019, he wasnt in front of a courtroom, with a judge to protect him from unfair attacks. He walked into a hearing room. Live, national and International Television under oath. And on the wall behind mr. Jordan, the ranking member, with reverend elijah cummings, Committee Chairman of the House Oversight committee was a sign. Liar, liar, pants on fire. That was the beginning of the most vicious part of the partisan attacks including mark meadows, the future chief of staff and what did michael do, and i must say i helped him, have the fortitude to do it. Keep his voice down, Tell The Truth and most importantly, only that he lied and he did evil deeds, as he said for donald trump, for 10 years and he said when he opened his testimony, i have no excuses, i am ashamed, i am here to Tell The Truth. That is what i think we will see in the courtroom this coming week. Let me pass on that because we have seen his combative nature. He has been reprimanded by the judge even for some of the things hes done on tiktok and how outspoken he has been and you are saying, that is not what you expect tomorrow. That is not what i expect i and im virtually certain because he knows that he acted out of passion, out of reaction to what he was being accused of in the courtroom and he wont be doing any more twitter and he will be the Michael Cohen you saw in that testimony and we have talked repeatedly, recently, and i know that he will be telling the truth and will be telling the truth calmly, no matter what they say because he knows everything that he says is fully cooperated. Theres a lot we have learned over the last couple of days. We knew a lot already but we have learned details from david pecker, hope hicks and others. You expect we will learn new things that we didnt know before during testimony tomorrow . There may be somethings. I was in the room the last two or three years with two sets of district attorneys. And i know that the corroboration and detail, Backing Up Michael is what people dont recognize. But i want to remind you of something else. This is not just manhattan d. A. Brad, who mr. Trump attacks for political motivation and his supporters attacked this case. Remember, it was Donald Trumps federal prosecutors, in the Southern District of new york, who wrote a public memo and they wrote, donald trump directed the the word as directed, Michael Cohen to make these payments. This is after his denial that he did know anything about it. Is on prosecutors, not only said he was direct thing Michael Cohen to make this payment to ms. Daniels but he faced a case that is on prosecutors said, impaired democracy. Not about hush money for sex. Has prosecutors in the public memo that, this case is about finding people not to tell the American People before they vote for president to be silent. So his prosecutors described the case as an important case. So the Trump Supporters to disparage it, are in the face of his own prosecutors and what they said when they charged Michael Cohen, went he did the time. Which is an interesting point. When detail, that madeleine talked about and you know that she sat outside of trumps office, that outer oval come you see everything. She set up this meeting between trump and Michael Cohen and a key part seems to be, him confirming the details of the conversation. You expect to learn more about that tomorrow . The details of michaels reaction, to a sitting president of the united dates in the oval office, writing a check from his personal checking account, which by the way we put on tv, on february 27th, which i thought would be almost the end of the hearing, it was so shocking, yet it was a big yacht by the republicans. A sitting president writing a check to implement a crime that someone is about to go to jail for. I was imagining a democratic president writing a hush money check. So yes, we will learn some details of Michael On Direct Examination is able to put some color behind his sensation when hes went to see the president of the United States and of the word was reimbursed rudy giuliani, his own attorney said is a reimbursement for the hush money. It wasnt legal fees. As youre trump knew that there were no Legal Services so that might be the shocking detail that michael can provide. It is such an interesting point. Dont build legal fees like this and you know this well. Part of preparing for testimony like this is of course preparing for what people are going to attack you on and of course for Michael Cohen, the suggestion, i would expect the defense to do this in Cross Examination, that he committed perjury because he denied under oath he had committed tax evasion after he pleaded guilty in 2018. Addressed this to some degree. I have asked about it but how will he handle that tomorrow . I was there when he was forced to plead guilty on a friday night. The prosecutor said you have until monday morning or we will only and that your white we will not only indict you, we want that your wife. In a notebook that he kept his records in this building, isnt criminal tax fraud so he knew at the time he was being overcharged. He was a vague term. At that point in time, mr. Trump wasnt being charged and then when he finally had a chance to say he was coerced into doing that, he finally said so. And taking the penalty for not in this one statement to the judge, admitting to a crime that as he said to me, i lied about a live. Now it is time to clear the air, his Criminal Defense Lawyer said he was coerced and he told the truth. He cleared the air. In 20 seconds, the last time we spoke you said you think trump will go to jail. Watching the trial over the last few weeks, are you confident and that . I really dont want to secondguess the jury. I think there is evidence to convict him. And i think he can pardon himself at some point. He can be incarcerated. At the time, i mightve been angrier and now i am more reliant on the criminal justice system. I trust the jury system. I would not favor putting him in jail. I am in favor of him being accountable. Let me repeat, he cant pardon himself. Because of the state law. It is a state law, he cannot pardon himself for a state crime. Really excellent preview. A lot of people will be watching. Coming up, we take a deep dive into Stormy Daniels prosecution testimony. Andrew wiseman and Kristi Greenberg watched it happen and they will join me next. Were back after this. Er this. Looking for a smarter way to mop . Try the swiffer powermop. An allinone Cleaning Tool that gives you a mop and bucket clean in half the time our cleaning pad has hundreds of scrubbing strips that absorb and lock dirt away, and it has a 360degree swivel head that goes places a regular mop just cant. So, you can clean your home, faster than ever. 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The number of points about like a shaming that should be behind us and yet, if you were hoping for perry masons moment it is pretty clear that they didnt quite get the answers they were looking more. The defense growled it daniels about her alleged affair with the client, accusing her of making up details. They charged to shame her, asking quote, you have experience in making phony stories about sex appear to be real, right . Daniels responded, thats not how i would put it. The sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room. And she later pointed out that the story wasnt true, i would have written it to be a lot better. Of course the defense was bent on denying the affair but also argued the details of the affair were not relevant to the case. That was the basis of not one but two requests for a mistrial this week. Both of which ejected by judge merchan. As a pointed out, the incest since on claiming the affair didnt half and give the prosecution every right to corroborate his tory and Andrew Wiseman is former General Counsel for the fbi, Kristi Greenberg is deputy chief of the Criminal Division of the Southern District of new york. Both of them are joining me now. Happy mothers day to you, let me start by saying that. So andrew, trumps defense spent three hours, we all watched, trying to discredit daniels over the affair, far longer than questioning of david pecker and hope it. It seems clear they may want to use the scope of the Stormy Daniels comments to argue during the appeals cargo for a mistrial. But how concerned are you having watched this, about the possibility and are there days and their ability to make the argument. Not concerned at all. And i also think that the first step is, they only have to worry about that if there is a conviction and one of the things that you get at, is that irrationality of what is actually happening on the defense side, here. David pecker, gave direct testimony, direct conversations with donald trump

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