Famous people in this case, Stormy Daniels, took the stand to tell her story under oath for the first time. The former president coming facetoface with adult film actress Stormy Daniels the star witness to the prosecution took the stand. Even the judge was pumped. He was like, please welcome to the stand, Stormy Daniels. Stormy daniels gave a really detailed testimony really detailed. There have been contentious moments just in the past few moments, as Stormy Daniels faces crossexamination. Let me tell you, it is not over yet. Daniels is going to be back on the stand again on thursday. True, as this continues forward. Daniels is the first eyewitness to recount trumps conduct in their encounter, that he later paid to cover up. Announcement driving headlines here, we learned about much of what happened yesterday and seeing the fallout in the world as well as for the jury. Headlines about how upset trump got. Well get into that right now, as well as how she will be headed back to continue what has been a damning set of details with corroboration for a jury thats trying to decide, in some sense, whos lying. Now, with no cameras in court, some of what we learn about what happens inside the new york trial does come out more slowly. Weve talked about that in our coverage. For example, tonight we have more information about a Court Exchange with the judge that did not break yesterday because most reporters could not hear it. Youre looking at the court sketches. Thats what we have, as we makes sense of this. It is news tonight because it only became more fully detailed in the latest court transcripts. The judge, who hammered the d. A. s side times reporter who reported on tha side bar that occurred during part of daniels testimony. The judge telling, i understand that your client, trump, is upset, but hes cursing audibly. Hes shaking his head visually. And thats contemptuous. The judge noting, that kind of conduct does have the potential to intimidate the witness, and the jury can see the conduct that trump was displaying. The point here is about legal fairness, not just some abstract idea of decorum. Defendants must sit silently unless they get to the point in the trial where they choose to take the stand. They can weigh in that way. They cannot interfere, though, with the other witnesses on the stand or interfere with the jurys task of listening to only the witness and the evidence. This jury was trying to listen to Stormy Daniels. To put it simply, a fair trial is not supposed to run like some kind of live reaction video on the internet, where, as you watch one thing happen, you have other people react. Sometimes the viewer absorbs that other persons reaction along with the story. If youve seen those youtube reaction videos, sometimes its the reactor that can matter more than, in this case, the witness. And thats exactly what the judge was saying they were against. Now, its supposed to be in a trial that you focus on listening only to the witness. If the defendants perspective is raised, and thats a fair thing, right . Trump obviously was upset by what she was saying, and he had some view he wanted to share. But that is also measured through questions by the defendants lawyer, not by cursing in court. That did occur when trumps defense team pressed daniels on parts of her story and tried to go after her credibility. Most of the people do note the key things at issue in the trial, not everything shes said, but the key part of this story and the money she received has been a con consistent tale. And her credibility may be a lynchpin to this case. So, daniels testimony will continue tomorrow, and we are against the backdrop of the delay in the florida case that could go out to the election and the delay in the d. C. Case, which weve covered because the Supreme Court helped trump out. So, a lot of judges are out there clearly doing the things, delays, that fit Donald Trumps whole strategy of punting the election cases out past the election. So, we may not get rulings on whether or not a jury of his peers found him guilty of trying to steal an election or commit a coup. And thats a problem for democracy. Meanwhile in new york, we have the one trial that is on pace to get us a verdict by the election. In fact, a lot sooner than the election. Were now bracing for the results, a verdict within roughly two to four weeks. So, thats the update on that top legal story tonight. Next i want to tell you, we are going to turn to this years election, and were going to turn to something i can factually say to you right now, you will not see anywhere else tonight. It is a first time for us here at the beat as well. I invite you to join us for that after our shortest break. Ill see you in 90 seconds. Sees [cough] flareups that could permanently damage my lungs. 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Environmental attorney robert f. Kennedy jr. , son of the late senator, rfk, making his debut on the beat tonight. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Lets start at the beginning. If you became president , what would change in peoples lives . Our country would change a lot. I have promised a wind down of forever wars, which both which President Trump promised and has not done. I would align merger of state and corporate power, the capture of our industries by the industries theyre supposed to regulate. We have a Chronic Disease Epidemic the in our country thats costing 4. 3 trillion a year. Its five times our military government. Id stop the line in government the day i come into office. Im going to issue an Executive Order that any Government OfficialAmerican Public in conjunction with his federal duties will be dismissed. Im going to address the issues at the control of our agricultural agencies by the processed food companies. We now have 1,000 ingredients in this country that are illegal in europe, and theyre feeding that Chronic Disease Epidemic. And im going to issue an Executive Order stopping the Intelligence Agencies from propagandizing the American Public and ending censorship, any federal involvement in censorship. So, thats a big agenda. Yes. Youve never served in government. 45 of the 46 president s have. Why should you become president to run the whole government when you dont have any lowlevel, midlevel, or highlevel experience in the government . Well, you dont need any Government Experience to run for president of this country under the constitution. The Constitution Framers anticipated that people would run who were not experienced in government. Ive been around government my whole life. I say my principle qualification is that ive litigated against almost every one of the major federal agencies. Ive sued cdc, nih, fda, usda, department of agriculture, the department of transportation. When you litigate against these agencies, you get a phd in corporate capture and how to unravel it. But respectfully, thats in court. Theres a lot of lawyers. Were both lawyers. But running the whole federal government, coming in with the problems youre defining, and having never shown, through your time, an interest in that kind of public service. Other service, sure, but not that government service. You mentioned your family. You brought up your family. Everyone in your family served in lower positions before pursuing the white house, some with congressional experience running 7, 10, 15 years. You look at that and you look at your name, and while political dynasties run in both parties, do you think you would be doing what youre doing without your name . If you were a lawyer without the name kennedy, how would your campaign be going . I think im Better Qualified than anyone whos running to run the government. And the reason for that is that the Biggest Issue today is the merger of state and corporate power. It feeds the war machine. It feeds the Chronic Disease Epidemic. It feeds the fed, the run away taxes, all of the issues. Your core experience argument is youve done court cases on that so you have a different view of that than people im not intimidated by the agencies. Thats the problem with every other politician who comes in. They all say theyre going to fix things. Im going to jump in to say, then theres the campaign math. This is not summer camp. This is not a brainstorming session. You have six months here to try to run to be in a position to win the Electoral College. How many states are you on the ballot in right now . We are we have signatures to get on the ballot in ten states. Were not immediately filing those for strategic reasons. How many states are you on the ballot right now today . Im on the were on the ballot, i think, in two or three states. We could file tomorrow in be in ten. Ten. Heres my question. Ive seen you talk about this. If youre not on enough ballots to mathematically be eligible to win the Electoral College in enough states by election day, are you going to drop out . Im going to be on the ballot in every state. But if youre not im going to be on the ballot in every state by election day. Ill be on the ballot in every state by july. This is a big issue, as you know. I want to read something about its not for the media to say who is a spoiler or not. The whole reason i have people on cornell west has been on. Ive had a lot of trump aides on. The viewers get to hear. I want to read to you what one writer said about spoiler candidacies. Quote, it siphons the vote from the democrat. It could lead to the republican winning. Its wrong to claim theres to distinction between the major partys candidates. Do you understand that point . Do you agree with that point . I agree with that point if i were a splitter. Because i read ill let you finish. But as you way have intuited, im reading your 2000 statement that you wrote up. Briefly heres what you said in 2000. Take a listen. Theres a political reality here, which is that his candidacy could draw enough votes in certain key states from al gore to give the entire election to george w. Bush. Ill give you time to respond, but i want to be clear about this because i have the benefit of sitting with you. The issue is not just whether theres a spoiler or not. In all fairness, that depends what the voters do. I think one issue you can address today is you havent spent your life as an independent third party person. You havent spent your Life Fighting against both parties. You have been affiliated with one major party for a very long time. You made that argument on behalf of that same democratic party. Now only at this stage that youre running are you saying Different Things about how it works. How do you respond to that . I would probably say the same thing again if the factual issues were the same. I was speaking of ralph nader at that point. Ralph nader had, oh, no chance of winning. You know, we just did a poll, ari, that we did this about ten times the size of any other poll. Its a poll that is a 200,000 poll. We polled 26,000 people in 50 states. And what that poll shows and every other poll that has headtoheads between me and President Biden and me and President Trump says the same thing, every poll. When im pit against President Biden, just me against him, i beat him in 39 states. He only wins 11 states. I dominate the Electoral College. When i so, when i run against President Trump, i beat him in the Electoral College. The same poll shows that President Biden cannot beat President Trump, not only you said you were going to let me finish. Your argument e seems to be let me finish my argument. Then you can carry on. Were having a back and forth. Youre saying that hypothetically theres a poll that says youre doing so great. But you just told us youre on under five states ballots and most polls youre changing the subject, ari. Youre changing the the question is about whether i can get on the ballot. Im definitely going to be on the ballot. Im saying if your response to the Nader Comparison where you attacked him as a spoiler, where youre not a spoiler, i would say respectfully, you have not proven youre not a spoiler. A spoiler is somebody who cannot win and who is whose continued participation in the election will disrupt the expectations of somebody who can win. I can win. Our polls and every other poll thats looked at headtohead contests show that ive beat President Trump and President Biden if the other guy leaves. Youre talking about the incumbent president of the United States. But if but i under this criteria, President Biden is the spoiler because he cannot win. He cant win. He does worse if i leave. Youre comparing but youre comparing ari, ari, ari youre comparing hypothetical polls to a guy who won the presidency. You do seem, at times, to be warm towards President Trump. And he is clearly warm towards you. I would definitely disagree with that. He just called me a radical fing liberal. But he also said youre a common sense guy and you guys in public have exchanged warm words. I think thats fair. And you said youre proud i have said good things about President Biden too. And biden, fine. But heres where im going with the trump thing. You endorsed his opponent in 2016, correct . Hillary. Yes. Yeah. Right. What, since 2016, in his first term and then him refusing to leave office peacefully and january 6th and everything since then has made you warmer towards him . I mean, you went from supporting Hillary Clinton against him in 16 to now however you want to describe it, the way you talk about him now. Can you explain that for us . I can explain im running against him so obviously i dont want him to be president of the United States and i dont think he did a good job. And if you go look at my speeches, my statements, i am not meanspirited. And i think President Trumps and President Bidens administrations have been catastrophic for this country. Theyve run a 34 trillion debt. Would you say roughly equally catastrophic . I would say theyve both been catastrophic but similar. In their own way. But similar . In their own way. Youre trying to get me to quantify so you can win a Debating Point and im not going to do that. Its not a Debating Point hold on, hold on. Its not a Debating Point. Theres a big choice coming down and you are now inserting yourself, as you have the legal right to do as a candidate for office. Youre someone who, in all fairness, was giving these speeches against nader for this kind of thing, was supporting clinton against trump, saying this is the danger of trump. And now people hear you. This is the chance to talk about it. People hear you as very similarly to nader saying, its a pox on both houses, lesser of two evils. I want to play for you some of what donald trump wait, wait, wait i made this for you. This is what donald trump stands for and why people hear you, robert f. Kennedy jr. , talking about false equivalence this is debating tricks. Youre lighting fires faster than i can put them