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MSNBCW The July 3, 2024

Talk to me about that moment when you realized that those cartridges had accidentally remained in your bag. In the airport. In russia. It was definitely a free fall. I literally saw my life flash before my eyes. I was like, its over. Bg is no more in that moment. I was afraid. Wnba star Brittney Griner in her first Cable Interview since her imprisonment in a russian penal colony. We talk about the fear, the politics, putin, and how her childhood prepared her for that harrowing ordeal. Also tonight, more damning testimony against donald trump in his Crimthal Trial in new york. This time from one of his companys accountants who allegedly helped reimburse Michael Cohen for Stormy Daniels hush money payment. Plus, a glimmer of hope that the end of the israel ghazi war could be near. Hamas announces it has accepted an egyptian qatari ceasefire proposal. How will israel respond . But we begin tonight with the age old adage, the coverup is worse than the crime. Today, in a new york city courtroom, a jury began hearing all about the coverup in Donald Trumps hush money election interference trial. Regarding those allegedly falsified Business Records hiding the repayments from trumps company to his former lawyer, Michael Cohen. Of the 130,000 cohen gave out of his Home Equity Line of credit to Adult Film Actress Stormy Daniels. The jury heard from former Trump Organization controller jeffrey mcconnie, and from a current Trump Organization employee. Accounts payable supervisor Debra Terasoff about details surrounding the false invoices, false ledger entries and checks at the center of the alleged criminal conspiracy to make those reimbursements look like routine legal fees. How instead of Just Reimbursing Cohen the 130,000, the payments were plussed up to 420,000. Broken up into 11 monthly checks, nine of which trump signed himself. You may remember in the trump teams Opening Statement two weeks ago, they posed to the jury, ask yourself, with a frugal businessman, a man who pinches penny, repay a 130,000 debt to the tune of 420,000 . Well, today We Saw In Black And White how that amount came to be from former trump cfo Allen Weisselbergs own notes, as discussed with mcconnie. 130,000 was to reimburse for cohens payment to Stormy Daniels through his essential consultants llc, the company he registered to put the money he took from his Home Equity Line of credit into. 50,000 was for a separate Reimbursement Cohen was claiming for Technical Services he paid for. During the campaign. And an extra 180,000 was to cover cohens state, federal, and city taxes on those two amounts. And then there was a 60,000 bonus for a Job Well Done helping trumps campaign. The prosecution honed in on that additional 180,000 paid to cohen to cover taxes, asking, quote, are you aware of another instance where an Expense Reimbursement was doubled to account for taxes . Mcconnie answered, no. The prosecution has claimed previously that the only reason to account for taxes is if one was trying to mask the payment as income rather than a reimbursement. To further adto the prosecutions case this was not just your average Legal Expense and actually a reimbursement coverup, they entered into evidence trumps signed 2017 president ial Financial Disclosure report that under the section marked liabilities included the line, in the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed, a reportable liabilities on part 8 in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of donald j. Trumps attorneys, Michael Cohen. Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and mr. Trump fully reimbursed mr. Cohen in 2017. The category of value would be and the Interest Rate would be zero. The payment to daniels was 130,000, and according to trumps attorneys today before the jury, trump brought in his Morning Judge juan mar chen ruled trumpnition to all of that further violated his gag order. In addition to the 1,000 fine on top of the 9,000 he was allegedly paid for the other nine violations, the judge reiterated trump could face jail if he continues to ignore the gag order. Joining me is Susanne Craig and kristy greenberg, former deputy chief of sdnys Criminal Division and an msnbc legal analyst. That was my sort of summary of what happened today. What stood out to you . Well, the documents really were the stars of the day. At the heart of this case is the allegation that 34 Business Records were falsified. And today, we saw them up on the screen, the jury saw them. One after the other. And it was powerful. I have to say. I mean, we saw checks signed by donald trump. We heard a lot of information from people inside the Trump Organization that donald trump signs off on any expense over 10,000. That these checks to Michael Cohen came from Donald Trumps personal account. And theyre all building towards donald trump theres no burden he has to personally falsify them. He just has to have caused the falsification. And i think were going to hear from Michael Cohen about the deal they had, but today, we saw all of these documents that the prosecution is alleging were falsified. And let me go to you, because what is the significance of the plusup . There was a lot of time spent on how the 130,000 became north of 400,000. The fact theyre basically giving him extra money to pay his taxes seems interesting. Where dont know that you normally do that with your lawyer, and then giving him a bonus. Would that be important to the prosecution . If so, how . So again, going back to why these are false, on these invoices, it says this is a retainer for Legal Services that are going to be performed in 2017. With each check theres a stub that indicates the month these Legal Services are being performed. Then when you go back and look at what the handwritten notes of Allen Weisselberg say and theyre showing 130,000 times two were grossing up, the income, thats not consistent with paying Legal Services going forward. None of those numbers would make sense with whats actually being written on the documents and the reason for the payments. It really just shows those notes and then the explanation thats given where Jeff Mcconney said Allen Weisselberg said we were reimbursing michael, and then you have this conflict of Interest Form where donald trump signs it himself in 2018 under penalty of perjury saying we are reimbursing Michael Cohen for expenses he had in 2016. And so again, you have this the documents and what theyre showing about paying Legal Services dont match up to this grossing up of income, to the statements that Jeff Mcconney is saying. Youre seeing the falsity of those records being laid bare. And the other issue is that, so Michael Cohen is submitting invoices to the Trump Organization, but hes not saying for what. Normally, if youre submitting invoices for reimbursement, you would say it was for this, for this, for that. Some didnt have anything, right . Mainly, they said per our legal retainer, which there is none. Jeff mcconney said he didnt see one. On crossexamination, trumps lawyers raised the possibility that it could have been a verbal agreement, and everybody in the court was like, what . That just didnt add up. So he actually was saying, when Michael Cohen was submitting them, that a lot of them were for Legal Services. Thats going to be, i think the trump case is going to be these were legitimate payments for Legal Services. But it didnt add up. Theres not even a Written Agreement down for a retainer for Michael Cohen. None of it really added up at the end of the day. I can see where trumps lawyers are going. Theyre going to make it out like these were legal fees but they dont have a Written Agreement on that. And the thing i just keep coming back to is, yes, Michael Cohen was Donald Trumps attorney, so obviously he was paying him to be hiattorney, but i cant get to what would cause Michael Cohen without Donald Trumps knowledge or consent or on his orders to on his own pay off a porn star that he himself had not slept with to keep that porn star from saying that she slept with donald trump. Why would he do that . And commit crimes that he actually was jailed for, and those crimes are literally the reason that hes being impeached as a felon you cant trust, because its the same crimes at issue in this case. So he did the thing, he wasnt like a serial bank robber. He was doing these things in this case. And the guy he was doing it with is named in his indictment. I cant get to how the defense will be able to explain why Michael Cohen just on his own out of the goodness of his heart would commit these felonies for which he was incarcerated without Donald Trumps knowledge. How do they riddle their way out of that . I think theyre going with he was a rogue actor. He loved donald trump so much that he would do anything for him. And that he went rogue on this. I think thats going to be another pillar of their defense. Kristy, can you see that happening . I have never heard of that. As a lawyer myself, i will say lawyers generally dont just shell out 130 down for their clients out of the goodness of their heart. Lawyers like to get paid. Lawyers arent the ones paying for their clients debts. Look, its ridiculous. Not only that, its not like Michael Cohen had 130,000 just lying around. He had to take out a Home Equity Line of credit to be able to get that money. And again, you would also have to believe that according to david pecker and donald trump was really concerned in conversations about the Karen Mcdougal payment, making sure that happened. So then you would have to believe after the access Hollywood Tape when we hear that the campaign is in crisis, then when Stormy Daniels wants to get paid on this, the All Of A Sudden donald trump is handsoff. Hes not interested anymore, and Michael Cohen is just going rogue and doing this on his own. It defies common sense. That has always been my challenge with this. You would have to believe that lawyers get paid by their clients to do work. They dont put out money for their clients. They dont go out on their own and just pay for things they think might hurt their clients. Theres not a lawyer thats ever lived thats ever i have never heard of that, so it feels like the defense has a huge burden here to prove that Michael Cohen left his body, did his soul leave his body and he just decided to like i have never heard of it. I dont understand what theyll impeach him on. Today was document day, they showed it in black and white. Today was powerful. The documents really did stand out. And they went through the one by one in front of the jury, and checks signed by donald trump, from some of them we learned from the oval office. They were fedexed down to them and he signed them and sent them back and they were paid out to Michael Cohen. It does defy logic, but theyre going to make Michael Cohen out to be a rogue actor. Theyre working with what they have, and theyre going to say he was so obsessed with donald trump that he went out and did this. Let me get to the merchans order. This is what he said to donald trump warning hip about jail. It appears the 1,000 fines are not serving as a deterrent. Going forward, this court will have to consider a jail section if recommended. Mr. Trump, its important to understand the last thing i want to do is put you in jail. He said youre the former president of the United States and possibly the next president. Can you see, just as a former prosecutor, even this judge, he seems pretty firm, putting donald trump in jail . I hope so. He should if he violates the order again. I mean, i have to say that aspect of the judges remarks really didnt sit well with me. This is the defendant who has violated a court order ten times. That is not normal in my experience. He has targeted jurors and witnesses. Not normal. He has done it outside the freaking courtroom. Thats not a normal thing for defendants in criminal cases to do, and so for the judge to then say the last thing i want to do is put you in jail to a defendant who has violated his orders repeatedly and flagrantly, it was really striking to me. This is a defendant who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth. Who has had every privilege, who has been found liable for 464 million in fraud, for Sexual Assault, and defaming a Sexual Assault victim twice. So you think of the normal defendant who comes through the criminal system, they dont have that background. They dont have that privilege. You really hear judges saying this is a last resort, the last thing i want to say, no, if you violate the law, youre going to be put in jail. Under injail. There is a twotier justice system. Donald trump is just wrong about how the tiers work. Hes at the top, and everybody else is at the bottom. Susanne craig, kristy greenberg, thank you. 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