in 2024, bottom line? >> at the end of the day, the 47th president of the united states will be donald trumping and i'm excited to get back to low inflation, low unemployment, and more enthusiasm. >> senator, yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024 no matter who wins? >> that is my statement. senator tim scott of south carolina, who is considered to be a strong contender to be donald trump's running mate, dodges a question about accepting the results of about the november election. we'll have more on that important exchange in just a moment. we'll also goat you caught up on donald trump's hush money trial, which resumes later this morning in new york. it comes after some emotional testimony on friday from the former president's longtime aide hope hicks. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this monday, may 6th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day and week with us, and we'll begin this morning with some new developments from the middle east. nbc news and the "associated press" report that cia director bill burns may now travel to israel to hold more talks about a potential cease-fire in an effort to free hostages from the gaza strip. over the weekend israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said israel was not prepared to end the war permit nemtly, saying the move would leave hamas in in power in the enclave. in the meantime hundreds of thousands of civilians have been told to evacuate rafah as israel appears poised to launch a new operation there. a timetable has not yet been announced. the united states has warned israel again of going into rafah because there are about a million palestinians there we ooh el have much more on the story out of the middle east later in our show and all morning long. meanwhile, back here stateside, donald trump is expected to be back in a new york city courtroom in just hours for the start of week four in his hush money trial. it follows a revealing week of testimony capped off on friday by trump's former confidante and longtime aide hope hicks, hoping to illustrate the inner workings of the former president's operations and how the alleged hush money payments came about. hicks admitted to feeling nervous as she took the stand, but she helped tie together the points the prosecutor was trying to make, mainly that trump was upset about the accusations that he had affairs and he would pay to cover them up. hicks testified very little about the payments themselves, but did say that the 2016 campaign was in crisis when the "access hollywood" tape went public that october that caused the campaign to scramble to prevent any additional damage. she described trump as something of a micromanager saying he was, quote, very involved in the medial strategy for the campaign. hicks also testified that trump told her about a conversation he had with his then attorney michael cohen after "the new york times" reported that cohen claimed credit for paying the hush money to adult film actress stormy daniels without trump's knowledge. hicks testified that trump seemed to affirm that cohen had told him the same. but when asked whether this seemed in line with the cohen she knew, hicks said this. i did not know michael to be an especially charitable or selfless person. he's the kind of person who seeks credit. before wrapping up her testimony on friday, hicks began to cry as the defense started to ask her about her early years working for trump on real estate at the trump organization. she's expected to return to the stand today. meanwhile over the weekend former president trump compared the biden administration to the gestapo, which was the see secret police force of nazi germany. trump was complaining about his multiple legal issues and attacking prosecutors in the case according to the audio on ny news. trump can be heard in part saying this. these people are running a gestapo administration, and it's the only thing they have. and it's the only way they're going to win, but that doesn't bother me. biden responded, writing, instead of echoing the appalling rhetoric of fascists, lunching with neo-nazis, and fanning debunked conspiracy theories that have cost brave police officers their lives, president biden is bringing the american people together around our shared democratic values. meanwhile in an interview on "meet the press" yesterday, tim scott, widely considering to be on trump's short list for cp, refused to answer whether he would accept the 2024 election results no matter the outcome. here's that exchange. >> senator, will you commit to accepting the 2024 election results, bottom line? >> at the end of the day, the 47th president of the united states will be president donald trump, and i'm excited to get back to low inflation, low unemployment, and higher enthusiasm. >> yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024 no matter who wins? >> that is my statement. >> but is -- just yes or no, will you accept the election results of 2024? >> i look forward to president trump being the 2024 president. you can ask the question -- >> senator, yes or no? just answer. >> the american people will make the decision -- >> i don't hear you committing to the election results. will you commit to accepting the election results? >> this is why so many people believe nbc is an extension of the democratic party. at the end of the day, i know the american people's voices will be heard and donald trump will be our next president, it's that simple. >> as you know, the hallmark of our democracy is the acceptance of a peaceful transfer of power. yes or no, will you agree to the election results no matter who wins, yes or no? >> look, i'm not going to answer your hypothetical question when, in fact, i believe the american people are speaking today o on the results of the national election. in the next six months if we finding ourselves in a position where we get greater prosperity, i'm looking forward to that. >> joining me on set is shelby talcott. great to see you. this is extraordinary stuff, but yet it feels like dogma, part of the rhetoric for the republican party in the year of 2024 to not accept that donald trump lost in 2020, and it seems like to not accept that he could lose fairly this time around. >> i think this is going to be something we hear from other potential vice president candidates, because the really big thing, you talk to donald trump's aides and they all had different ideas of what will make up a good vice presidential pick. for donald trump, the big thing is loyalty. and so it seems natural that we're going to see people like tim scott, but also other vice presidential picks come out and not even entertain the possibility that donald trump could lose, right, because donald trump is focused on two things. he's focused on his league montreals and focused on winning the election and he certainly does not want a vice presidential pick going out and talking about even the concept he could lose the 2024 election. >> that's one thing to approve your loyalty to trump, but that is so dangerous. know how it supported him last time around, leading to violence not far from the capitol. also at the retreat, trump's audio, he was talking about his other potential vp picks. give us the exten of what you know about that race. it doesn't indicate who he's thinking of. >> he's not in any hurry. while the event will come up in july and while it seems about a month beforehands you would announce it, he's in trial. so i don't think he's expected to announce his vp pick. those i hear are j.d. advance, marco rubio who lives in florida. the question is does donald trump want to deal with those potential hurdles? i think kristi noem has fallen off of the list for various reasons, but, of course, for the -- for the dog incident, but those are some of the names we're hearing. and doug burgum. he's one. but they've noted while doug burgum is great and he does a lot for them and is a yes man, does whatever they need for the campaign, some people are not convinced that he's ultimately going to be picked. >> burgum is also rich, which appeals to trump who needs money for his campaign. it seems like trump's not shy about making the incendiary remarks like that, but it also seems like a window into the pressure he's feeling about these trials. >> we see donald trump constantly talk about these trials publicly. the fact that he's talking about them privately indicates that his public comments are not a show. he's genuinely focused and concerned and obsessed with the legal problems he faces publicly and privately. >> thanks for starting us off this morning. good stuff as always. next up here, as we just mentioned, south dakota governor christie gnome is still standing by her actions when it comes to a troubling story included in her new memoir, one about killing her puppy. we'll bring you the latest events and how it played. plus the hush money trial and how donald trump is not allowed to testify while under a gag order. those stories and the morning's other top headlines and a check on weather and sports when we come right back. ther and sports come right back. hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? 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>> what is the number? i would say republicans criticizing me? these are the same republicans kro who criticized me during coy individual, when i made decisions to protect my state. >> the governor's efforts to clean this up has only made things worse. she suggested she met with north korea leader kim jong-un during her time as a member of the armed services committee. >> certainly made some changes and looked at this passage and i've met with many, many world leaders. i've traveled around the world. as soon as it was brought to my attention, we went forward and made edits. i'm glad this book is being released in a couple of days and there will be edits and people will have an updated version. >> so you did not meet with kim jong-un is what you're saying. >> i met with many world leaders. i talk extensively in my book serving time in congress, my service as governor, before governor, some of my travels. i'm not going to talk about my meetings with world leaders. i'm not going to do that. this anecdote should not have been in the book. as soon as it was brought to my attention. we made an adjustment. the book is being released tuesday. we're doing aulg we can to make sure the changes are made. i'm going to make sure that the things in the background and stories of my life, but also what i think that needs to be identified in politics was broken today. >> right. but you never went to north korea. >> i talk about the fact that -- i yes, i have. i went there. >> you went to north carolina? 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>> yeah, i mean, this was really important, right? it was a significant one to kind of look out for, particularly having come out on friday. it was one of the key reasons why the market managed to move higher. what happened is we saw the number, say, 175,000. that mean 1/75,000 jobs were added to the u.s. economy in the month of april, which was much less than the market had initially anticipated. the market was looking for around 215 at leasting having come down from 315 the month before. so usually you've had strong pieces of data. fed chair jerome powell earlier in the week had made note he's ready to make a move if the data, when it comes to labor, is weaker than the market anticipated. but at the same time, in the same release, also went on to say if you're going to decide to cut interest rates, however, that you would have to look at more than just one piece of data. it will be interesting the interest rate expectations now are for there to be two cuts in interest rates later this year. when it begins is the key question. >> lastly, arabile, briefly give us the takeaways from berkshire hacts aware's shareholder meeting over the weekend after the passing of his all-time friend, of course, and the man in charge of his investment ideas, charlie munger, that was really significant to look out for. warren buffett himself made aid of that. he said another is likely to take over. that was a significant takeaway from the agm. the other part is berkshire hathaway has cut out 13% of its stake in apple. that was a significant portion to look out for. a little worried about where apple goes from here but trusting the process. also divesting completely from paramount. that company is at the helm for a possible takeover from sony. and that was sold off at a loss. that was the main three items. >> arabile gumede live from london. thank you as always. still ahead, cia director william burns is likely to travel to israel for more cease-fire and hostage negotiations. we'll discuss his high stakes meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and whether a deal can be reached. that's next on "way too early." that's next on "way too early. r child. get in. listen, what you really need in life is some freakin' torque. what? 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>> you saw over the last several hours there are reports of them dropping leaflets urging about 100,000 palestinians to leave. my sources on the ground say it will take two weeks to evacuate some of these palestinians to these areas, but, you know, military action could be imminent, and, in fact, it was reported that they have, in fact, informed the united states action will commence at some point soon. this is a tale of several nights ago. friday night i really thought there would be an agreement. this is the agreement that was and then wasn't. how this fell apart, there will be some forensics on this, whether it's the deaths of four israeli soldiers from an indirect fire attack. what if they're not alive. >> the global reaction, certainly the u.s.'s reaction will change. they've said, do not go all in. but they've signaled support whether it's limited, really targeted. just on the hamas leaders, we can live with that. but if it's an all out assault in a city of a million people -- we'll see if they even wait for the evacuations, that's going to further the humanitarian crisis and inflame the region throughout the world. >> that's right. so much was riding on these hostage talks actually succeeding, the cease-fire talks making headway. let's not forget cia director bill burns is still working on this. he was in cairo, doha, and back to israel today. the question is what happens if israel goes through? israel has given us some assurances, but, according to the administration, not enough. what if there's a catastrophe? really tough times for the administration right now. >> and could trigger a response in the region elsewhere and expand the war. let's conclude with the hostage deal. what makes it so -- i know bill burns is considered one of the stars in this administration. a seen your aide told me over the weekend, if anyone can do it, it's him. it hasn't happened yet. there have been a number of close calls. give us a sense as to what are the challenges to get this done including from the israeli side? >> so, you know, it looks like at some point hamas was going to agree to the demand of the first stage, which is is reeling does not have to say they will stop the war. that was a movement on hamas's part. of course, israel has moved as well with a number of less hostages. ultimately the leader is holed up in a tunnel in rafah. will he agree to this whatsoever? i go this? i go to the adage, many of us who worked on this for decades, used to say, the u.s. may want a deal, but we can't want it more than the two parties. it looks like that's where we are right now. >> i think that is accurate and sober analysis there. we'll, of course, have developments all morning long from the middle east. retired cia officer marc polymeropoulos, thank you for being in this morning. we appreciate it. up next on "way too early," the judge overseeing donald trump's hush money trial is set to consider four additional fines against the former president for repeatedly violating his gag order. then, coming up on "morning joe," indeed, hours from now, donald trump's criminal trial is set to resume after hope hicks delivered some dramatic testimony on the stand to close out last week. we'll go live outside the courthouse on what to expect. plus, former homeland security secretary and current trustee of columbia university, jeh johnson will join us live in studio to talk about the recent college protests that have gripped the nation. 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>> probably the prosecution, though they never would have called her if they didn't think she was helpful to their case. number one, she doesn't have the credibility issues as some of the other prosecution witnesses, whether it be keith davidson or, of course, michael cohen. number two, she points out that the trump campaign, including her, were very concerned about these allegations of women, about having romantic interludes with donald trump, and how they might affect the campaign. she describes the scene of chaos within the campaign with this concern about what to do about these stories. finally, i thought this was significant, she apparently -- donald trump admitted to her that he was aware that michael cohen had paid stormy daniels. now, a qualification there, you don't know exactly when donald trump acquired that knowledge. it was after michael cohen gave a statement to "the times," so it is well into the presidency itself and after the election. a bit of a mixed bag even on that point. overall, some generally good testimony for the prosecution. >> hope hicks goes back to the stand today. where do we think the day will lead us? >> here's the thing with hope hicks, i just briefly want to talk about the defense. the defense did score some points with hope hicks. she was a mixed bag. there was a lot of reporting that hope hicks devastated donald trump. i don't agree. i think there were a couple important points that hope hicks gave the defense. number one, there were things she didn't testify about. i think people like me were thinking hope hicks was next to donald trump for literally years, very close to him. i thought there would be more bombshells. there weren't really the bombshells. number two, she painted michael cohen as kind of this bumbling, wanna-be-mr. fixit, and suggesting going rogue is the thing that michael cohen might do and make these payments without any authority. i promise you, the word rogue will appear somewhere in the defense's closing argument. finally, you've got this testimony about michael cohen and all of -- like, more reliability placed on michael cohen. it's the kind of thing the defense absolutely loves. >> right. let's talk about the gag order violations that we opened this segment with. we don't know precisely what day the judge will make a decision, but give us your thoughts about the initial violations, why they came about. have they succeeded in restraining trump? what might we see from the judge in his next decision? >> in a sense, the judge maxed out the monetary fine against donald trump because he gave the statutory maximum of $1,000 per violation and complained at the time that it wasn't enough for someone as well-heeled as donald trump. in a way, he's sort of giving a signal he'd be willing to accelerate the process. all contempt violations, all kinds of punishments related to this kind of gag order violation must be incremental. you start out with fines. even the people in the beginning weren't looking for incarceration. but the judge suggested at the end of this continuum could be incarceration. i don't think he's there yet. but if we continue with this rolling, once a week gag order violation hearing, then, yes, i think at the end of this ladder is possible incarceration. make no mistake about it, no judge wants to try and jail a former president. it would be an administrative nightmare. both sides are playing a kind of very silly game of chicken in terms of seeing who dares to put donald trump in jail. >> lastly, danny, and briefly, just give us a quick sense of what else you'll be looking for out of the courtroom today. >> we don't really know the list of who is going to appear, but there are notable witnesses. of course, the marquee witness is michael cohen. might we see stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? i think, yes, stormy daniels. stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, their evidence really isn't as compelling as some of the other evidence which locks in the transactions. look for the witnesses that you maybe haven't heard their names before. they're the ones that often have some of the most compelling, if maybe sometimes dry, evidence and information. >> we, of course, will have complete analysis throughout the morning and live reporting from outside the new york city courtroom. msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos, thank you, as always. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. well, it's the first show of spring, so we'll start tonight with puppy murder. in a new book, south dakota governor kristi noem revealed she once shot a dog that was untrainable. that's insane. if a dog is untrainable, you don't shoot it. you give it to president biden. maga insiders are saying that kristi noem, seen here wearing the hair of that dog, now