Welcome to the beat, everyone. We are beginning with a big show. We just have former Supreme CourtJustice Stephen breyer joining us tonight. He recently retired, you may recall, and crated the vacancy for his former clerk. He is here tonight. And the coauthor of the art of the deal, tony swarts, returns with insight on Donald Trumps life as a defendant and a warning for any possible second term our top story is the latest in the legal problems that are swirling around trump considering right now he begins this week facing new testimony in the criminal trials a ruling on those gag order violations alleged by the d. A. Fallout from new indictments of 18 allies for Election Crimes in the states. Outrage over his own Supreme Court lawyers claims about this license to kill and the oral arguments which we got at the end of last week. The problems are breaking through in many different ways. In fact here is one way to put it. The collision of so many cases within a five day span underscores the challenge that Candidate Trump will face. That is how the ap noted, noting the message he has been repeatedly overshadowed. It is a reminder that because Defendant Trump has insisted on running for office, some of many people do not do. He is doing that and also playing against his own campaign , stuck for weeks in court and having all of this affected no matter what the outcome is of the new york case. As of all the stuff together, this is how it is piling up. Reporter tuesday is going to kick off the third week of this Criminal Hush Money Trial per the first ever trial of a criminal president reporter the Supreme Court heard arguments in trumps claim brought immunity. Reporter it could reshape the future of president ial power. Reporter arizona is the latest date to charge trump alleys for their part in eighth elector scheme. Reporter the president was named as unindicted Co Conspirator. Reporter i gag order hearing on thursday to see if the former present has been violating it is so staggering that they could become not normal, extreme, numbing. These are clearly legally unusual times. And strange times. It is all accelerating. For people horse was to be impartial, where that is judges overseeing an case to independent reporters doing their best, just describing these abnormal and troubling realities can sell my criticism. If you say, they are talking about a license to kill innocent people, almost sounds like you are going at them when youre just accurately describe what they claim they can do in court, six months out of the election. The new york trout resumes tomorrow. I will be in the courtroom tomorrow. We have been riding on our own team of reporters. I will be in that room and i will show you what icm learned that if you tune in. Prosecutors will be calling more witnesses this week. Both sides gearing up for michael cohen. Prosecutors view him as the eyewitness to a campaign crime. Defense lawyers, they think cohen could help. They view him and his past as a key to showing jurors some kind of reasonable doubt about the case. If you cannot trust cohen, they argue, how can you have comments beyond a reasonable doubt of the crime . New york is the only place where Criminal Trial Of Trump is on track to finish by the election. For all the punditry and discussions you may have heard about which case was stronger or should go first. Going first implies there is a second but as of now, that looks unlikely. D. A. Bragg is the one prosecutor who is putting trump on trial. That is a fact. He is only one on track to finish the trial by the election for the atlanta d. A. Move more slowly and less effectively. Jack smith is Hitting Roadblocks beyond the control. First hobbled by the dojs late start. And then running into this maga friendly roadblock at the Supreme Court last week. That controversial hearing, which showed chief Justice Roberts presiding over the most obviously partisan court in the modern era. That should be an embarrassment to him given everything he said about independence or two justices who care about that. That might be a minority members of this court. I say that as an observation about the way the hearing went, not a criticism out of the air. Here is a nonpartisan report from the New York Times which notes conservatives on the court went in this unexpected direction last week without precedent, rushing to try to limit whether Defendant Trump can be put on trial at all. And putting a thumb on the scale in the timeline to probably delay it past the election. Here is the different trials we have been covering and may turn green. We have reported on those arguments. That night at the table our whole team talk. There is no president for any president in any party having white immunity just because they once had the job of president. There is a lot of history on the other side from nixon and other areas and what youve heard from grade school on but no one is above the law. Nobody means nobody or does it . Since thursday more legal experts hitting the obvious partisanship at play. A court that claims to follow precedent and text is now we heard in the argument leaning towards ignoring text entirely. It does not say anywhere in the text of the constitution or the bill of rights or any of that, it does not say anything about having permanent immunity after you leave office. Of course, trump appointees cannot cite any text in the constitution and that longhand that is supposed to guide us to bail trump out. They would need something a lot more recent or nonbinding. I guess they could cite the text of the Monopoly Game i see get out of jail free card. Those words were apply here. As you know, monopoly is just a game. As the Supreme Court slows the trial, the other thing as we start the week were seeing is how the independent Legal Process around the country in states that are red, purple and blue continue to find evidence of 2020 Election Crimes. These are the stories that would be a huge deal if they broke in 2017 or 2018 or even right after the insurrection 21. 2024, as our colleague said, people are numb to this thing. It is actually a big deal. It is significant whether you are tired or not. That does not speak to significance. It speaks to your emotional news diet. I do understand it is a lot to keep track of. Whether you are used to it or not, numb to it or not, it is a big deal that arizona and michigan are barreling forward with these cases just in the last week. Evidence there supporting Defendant Trump in new york and also being branded and unindicted coconspirator in those cases. While his aides faced fresh charges. Even more heat in one of the cases today that we just learned about, a former trump aide caught up with michigan prosecutors new searches for evidence from google and x involving kenneth chesebro. Cnn has that report but we have not confirmed it. As we track all of the plot, most involved trump and his aides and others willing to help them. It takes a lot of people to pursue this many separate plots. I will not read them all out. There is roughly seven. In arizona, alone, it is 18 total people, republican operatives and aides charged with the crimes from 2020. That includes people who responded to truck campaigns call to pose as electors in states that biden had won. People get in trouble just for lying on their own taxes, just about their own finances or lying to a bank to take out a loan or start a business. Lying to the federal government and the State Government to steal an entire National Election is a very big deal, legally and substantively. We are talking about right now. Take the arizona residents who claim they were the real electors after trump had already lost. They are indicted for the fraud that you can see on your screen and charged with crimes of forgery and fraud that they filmed themselves. Here they are signing fraudulent certificates in a place were trump lost saying they were the rightful electors. With all those arrows had worked better and more effective crime spree, these are the people that would have been cited by mike pence or a different Vice President on the senate floor saying, these are the real electors. It matters a lot that in their own state, they are criminal defendants and not some jump ball were up is down and the myers claim they represent the people. Republican party has not gotten the message. They are promoting some of these very indicted individuals to Republican National committees. The defendants are responsible for their own actions. Those who have spoken out in these pots i tell you about sometimes at the local level mercury responding to the prodding and the Talking Points of what was left of the truck campaign. Here is one discussing about two years back. Remember what authority did you find yourself as an elector . In unprecedented times and action. There is no case law. There is no president that exist as to whether or not an election that is currently being litigated in the courts has to standing. Which is why we felt it appropriate to provide congress and the Vice President with dueling opinions. If you say it and you pause and you use words like precedent , are you a criminal . Look, what you heard was faults. Like everyone else indicted, everyone is presumed innocent. And they will go through the court process. There actually is a lot of precedent. You do not need to actually be a lawyer to cut through this. You were never bush v. Goor. Your member what it looks like when there is a closely contested election there is really tight races with him 500 vote and you have a recount but that was not the case. President elect biden was the winner. And won by three states. The Supreme Court even with appointees that are on their did not ever see any evidence that led them to even take a case, let alone hold or go oral arguments with the Maga Theory Site but when you use words to talk about the fraud , is no different than if they said, i dont like what the bank did. I will take the money because i think it is rightfully mine. That is not your money. This was not their election to overthrow. Contrast tonight, i think its pretty glaring. The highest judges in the land are minimizing january 6th they are helping defend trump all the evidence in the court around the nation, i just showed you, are actually working. They address the Election Crimes. Four different states in diving the election fraud. Four states in three years ago. Trumps aides and lawyers face an onslaught of legal consequences that we are tracking. Here is some of them and some of the stamps that they faced to just give you a brief overview. We are looking at disbarment and penalties and fines, and charges. Those who are charged get a trial and presumed innocent but that is part of the accountability. We are also looking at some conventions but in the lower left, we look at some prison in the case of mr. Navarro and mr. Bannon, awaiting a Prison Sentence for his conviction but he is currently out on appeal. As for the lore i mentioned, chesebro, he is named as a Co Conspirator in the new arizona case youre keeping track, he is one of the industry was convicted in georgia, admitting fault just like his fellow Disgraced Trump lawyer, jenna ellis. How do you plead to count 15, conspiracy to commit false documents into number 23 188947 . Guilty. If i knew then what i know now, i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. I look back on the six brands with deep remorse. Okay. Deep remorse. None of this is easy for anyone going. Even if they made mistakes. The process that we have, especially for noncapital offenses with the vast majority of trials is to try to give people a chance even when they are being held accountable. That is why judges take testimony even from people before sentencing. Remorse is a start but accountable he is important. It has come to many people in these cases. Just not the defendant at the very top. All the talk about politics or ideology these days, what we learned at the Supreme Court last week is the majority was fixated on hierarchy and protecting its, apparently favorite person, who was at the very top. The expresident running for president again. The court did not raise the same questions or concerns about the convicted aides that you just saw. Or how future aids or lawyers, or generals, or Attorney Generals would do their difficult jobs with the possible threat of later accountable if they commit latent crimes. For some reason that concern was just for donald trump. I tell you as we start this week, we are living through a time of some accountability for nbc news the eight enablers at the bottom and in the middle. There is a bunch of proud boy stuck in prison for years. We are also living through something that got even more clarified and exposed on thursday. A kind of elite maga Protection Racket within our own government at the very top. The Supreme Court have life tenure the defendant they so clearly favor, the majority of them, is one that appointed them and they work for. Apparently, they do not care how it affects their own reputations. This is so important to them. It is almost strange to see the contrast. Legally, it is antithetical to the constitution that the High Court Claims to interpret. 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Advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. Advil dual action. Higher shipping rates may be the cost of doing business. but at what cost . Turn shipping to your advantage. With low cost Ground Shipping from the United States postal service. Here is the deal, if you want to mess around and find out, go ahead. You will face the rule of law. You will face some sober prosecutions but isnt this what americans want . We want that normalcy. We want a predictable process but regardless of who wins up and loses at the end of the day, we want to get back to the business of america. You might top Arizona Election officials speaking about the new charges but we have neil who joins us tonight in the segment. As we look at all of this but we begin as prize with manny aurora. Chesebros attorney. That is the convicted trump aid i told you about the courtesy of cnn, that the Attorney General did a Search Warrant in michigan breaking tonight. It occurred last month giving prosecutors access to his emails, messages online. The warrants made clear that she is still the Attorney General and gathering information. Starting with that news, is that something you are aware of and does your client have any other legal jeopardy in that state . There is no legal jeopardy. We have incorporating the whole time. We have already provided the information in order to be a good prosecutor you want to get the Search Warrants. Double check us and make sure we have given them everything. I expect all the states to do something similar. I dont think it amounts to a whole lot. It is what needs to be done. Your view is anything related to x, google and those messages, you did provide that. They are crossreferencing it but you have turned it over . Absolutely. If the Defense Lawyers would say, there is some stuff missing , you want to make sure that you have done a full search through those accounts and there is no issues as far as a discovery violation. Simply saying this other gentleman provided it, it may not be the entire story. We believe we have provided everything. As other guests would tell you, we can challenge the surges since it is a private search for when we get noticed, we chose not to do that. We have provided everything and hopefully this will confirm all that. What you think about the point i raised im sure you watch the Supreme Court arguments with interest. A lot of hypotheticals about what could affect the president or postpresidency life. You represent someone who went through best and there is others , as i noted, who faced accountability. You think th