Trial, and stunning arguments before the Supreme Court as trump continues his quest for total immunity regardless of his actions. Legal analyst Anthony Coley and Renaldo Mariotti join me live to discuss the significance. Chaos on campus as pro palestinian protest spread to colleges across the country. We will take a closer look at what is fueling them and what happens when politicians like House Speaker mike johnson enter the divide. Ended his nerd prominent. Colin just and President Biden are set to deliver punchlines at tonights white house Correspondents Dinner. Obamas former Speech Writer explained what it is like to write those jokes and which ones will work best. This is the Saturday Show. Im all dolled up in my brandnew tuxedo for tonights white house Correspondents Dinner, where donald trump will no doubt be roasted for his legal troubles. But as much as we joke about his courtroom based campaign, trumps threat to democracy remains very real. And this week we saw evidence of that in none other than the Supreme Court. Trumps Immunity Hearing before the nine justices is raising alarm bells in legal and political circles. Not only does it show just how far the four times indicted on 88 counts former president will go to avoid accountability for attending to overturn a free and fair election, the hearing also exposed how some justices appeared willing to consider partial immunity so that future president s could make tough, daresay controversial or even illegal decisions without fear of prosecution. Case in point, trumpss lawyer arguing again that the president should be able to get away with murder if it is a quote official act. If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person, and he orders the Military Order orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity . It would depend on the hypothetical, but we could see that could will be an official act. The liberal justices were more concerned about allowing president s to commit crimes within impurity. A concern echoed by Justice Department attorney michael dreeben. His novel theory would immunize former president s for Criminal Liability for bribery, treason, murder, and here, conspiring to use fraud to overturn the results of an election and perpetuate himself in power. Such president ial immunity has no foundation in the constitution. The framers knew too well the dangers of a king who could do no wrong. And about that king thing. In the New York Times, quote, trump has asked to the Supreme Court if he is, in effect, a king. And at least four members of the court, among them the so called Originalists Have said in essence that they will have to think about it. The conservative justices signaled they are likely to send trumps Immunity Claim back to the lower court, which could delay his federal Election Interference trial for months. Meeting at trial is unlikely to start before the november election. Meanwhile, trumps Fake Elector Scheme is finally being prosecuted in arizona with an indictment charging mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and 16 other trump allies, and naming trump himself as an unindicted coconspirator. And then there is trumps hush money trial in manhattan, where witnesses revealed his earliest forms of Election Interference. Trump has denied the allegations and pleaded not guilty to 34 Felony Counts of falsifying business records. Former National Enquirer publisher david pecker was the first to take the stand, testifying that he suppressed stories about trumps scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. Also known as big news. Pecker said he served as the quote eyes and ears for the campaign at trumps on request. Then trumps former assistant testified under subpoena. She told the jury she remembered seeing Stormy Daniels in the Trump Tower Lobby and adding her contact info to the trump organizations database. When court reconvenes tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker who helped Michael Cohen pay off Stormy Daniels. Now, here is some food for thought. As we hurtle into week two of trumps hush money interference trial. If the Supreme Court rules as expected in the immunity case, the case brought by Manhattan District Attorney alvin bragg could be trumps first and last criminal trial before the election. Joining me now, former federal prosecutor renato mariotti. He is a Legal Affairs columnist for political magazine. Also with Me Msnbc Justice and legal analyst Anthony Coley. He served as the director of the Justice Departments office of Public Affairs and Senior Adviser to attorney general merrick garland. Thank you very much for coming to the Saturday Show. It renato, prosecutors in the new york criminal trial, have they shown that this case is about Election Interference and not just trump covering up an affair . There is still question that that is the theme they are sounding. They made that in their opening statement, they are trying to make that case throughout this trial. And in fact, that is what they need to show in order to make this a felony charge, as opposed to a misdemeanor. So i think we are going to see more evidence along those lines, and more argument along those lines for weeks to come. The bottom line is that they are trying to show a concerted effort to influence the election, and in fact, what we heard from the first witness, david pecker , is that the former white house actually part of that effort while she was in office. David pecker, the National Enquirer publisher was on the stand for four days. Did the defense succeed in discrediting any of the story and Cross Examination . Not really. This was the prosecutions game, it was their win. They needed to dispel this notion that this case was all about a minor bookkeeping issue, as donald trump says, or on the other hand, that it was about hush money payments. Which, in and of itself, are not illegal. This is about a broad Criminal Conspiracy to keep critical information from the American People, and it started in august of 2015, just weeks after donald trump announced that he would run for president. And it started in this meeting at trump tower where david pecker was summoned, he had Michael Cohen in the room, and they, as you noted in your leadin, he decided, he promised trump there that he would be his eyes and ears. So throughout this campaign, for any types of allegations of these types of tort affairs. I think with the duracell this week as a clear win for the prosecution, david pecker took them inside the room and made all these things very real. Renato, someone else was inside the room. I need you to talk about how Michael Cohens banker, gary farrow, fits into the prosecutions narrative. He takes the stand again on tuesday. Yeah, thats right. First of all, one thing that does matter, although this case is entirely about false statements and business records, that is at the core of this, and really what this witness is going to show, he is going to backup and corroborate the testimony of Michael Cohen. We all know Michael Cullen has got credibility issues, given his prior convictions. He is going to corroborate that, and he is going to show what those payments were for. In other words, those payments were not payments for legal services, but they were in fact hush money payments. So that leads to the question of why there was a cover up in the books of the trump organization. One more question for you, renato. Because judge juan merchan has scheduled another hearing for thursday on trumps gag order. Why didnt he rule after the first 10 times trump allegedly violated the gag order . What is taking so long . Well, you know, there is an image of The Sword Of Damocles where you have the sword hanging over your head. I really believe that what is going on here is that the judge wants this hanging over the head, not so much of trump, who does whatever he wants, but over trumps lawyer. Trumps lawyers know that at the end of the day the judge is the one who decides what questions they can ask. They really dont want to be on the judges bedside. He is basically using this as a tool to try to get them to rein in as much as possible before he makes a decision. O, that is real good. Thats real good. I love it when i hear stuff i have not heard before. Anthony, i want to turn to trumps Immunity Claimant. During oral arguments, i want to read this. Im not focused on the here and now of this case. I am very concerned about the future. Why shouldnt i be concerned that he isnt concerned about the facts of the case before them . Right, that is really ahead scratcher. Because what you see in most court cases, and certainly the Supreme Court, justices and judges are required to look at the facts of the case. And what he is saying here have a lot of people scratching their heads. I dont know that anybody can really understand quite how this is going to play out. But jonathan i, i will tell you the thing that disturbed me more is the fact that this could get pushed back down to the trial court level. And that would achieve what donald trump really wants. He is not trying to win this case on the merit at all. He is trying to throw sand in the gears of the case to slow it down, to keep the case from going and being fully adjudicated before the election. So i think at the end of the day its going to come down to the American People doing what we all did in 2020, and that is going to the polls. We have less than a minute left, but i cant let you go in this segment without asking you this question. The justices talked about official acts, and lawful orders of the president. Is an order by the president considered lawful by nature . Who determines that . Thats a great question. And that really is going to require factfinding by the judge. That is really what we were talking about, you were just discussing a moment ago. But essentially what would have to happen is you would actually have to have a hearing in front of the judge, where the judge makes preliminary findings regarding whether or not this is an official act and whether or not prosecution can go forward. That is what we create so much delay here, and really, that is why this Supreme Court ruling is fraught with Potential Threat to our democracy. We are going to have to have a whole segment just on this lawful axe, lawful orders from the president , because i seem to remember reading somewhere that if the president gives an order it is considered a lawful, like you have to follow it otherwise you are disobeying the commanderinchief. This is the military complex. Anyway, we dont have time to talk about it now. Anthony coley, Renaldo Mariotti, thank you very much for coming to the Saturday Show. Coming up, new polling shows from supporters continuing to stand by their man in spite of his criminal charges. They represent exactly what the Founding Fathers feared most, according to Washington Post columnist robert kagan, who joins me next on the Saturday Show. Also coming up, president of reproductive freedom for all, and why the next few months will be pivotal in the debate over womens reproductive freedom. Roductive freedom. This dove winds you down. This dove leaves you glowing. And this dove keeps you going. 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