Of a very busy newsweek for the president and his attorneys. At. Trumps week began with Opening Statements on monday in his criminal trial in new york which was followed by the prosecution calling its first witness. David pecker, over the course of four days he testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trumps then personal lawyer michael cohen. Prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trumps political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. That strategy came to be known as catch and kill. Now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme but for one thing both involve the falsification of documents or records. On top of that both cases allege the former president worked with others in addition to a crime. 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort. Six others in nevada have been similarly charged. In Georgia Last Summer the Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney pressed racketeering charges against trump and 18 others. That is a charge that is typically used to take down organized crime. Four of those defendants have since reached Plea Agreements with prosecutors. Fulton county is the only one but that case is bogged down. Fulton county and arizona are the two jurisdictions pursuing charges against allies who were close to trump and the indictments are worth reading or listening to if you havent yet. The Fulton County indictment lists 161 instances that prosecutors describe as quote, over acts in furtherance of the conspiracy. This is important. Meanwhile the arizona indictment provides Additional Details thas give a fuller picture of trumps legal teams, multistate effort subvert democracy in 2020. Georgias indictment mentions a man named greg who was then Executive Director of the Arizona Republican party. He is now one of the 18 defendants in arizona accused of helping to organize the meeting and serving as a fake elector himself. Similarly the indictment lays out the extensive Pressure Campaign to coerce this man rusty who was then the speaker of the Arizona House of representatives to call a Special Session to unlawfully appoint the trump electors. Soon after the election he said he was quote getting hundreds of emails demanding that i do my constitutional duty and name electors that will vote for trump, end quote. The arizona indictment also alleges in the weeks after the election no fewer than six of the defendants contacted him either privately or publicly on social media to get him to cooperate. Georgias indictment completes that picture. It adds that trump was also part of that Pressure Campaign. He called him at least twice during that same time frame including once on or around Christmas Day to try to get him on board with this unlawful plan. He however told the president i voted for you, i worked for you, i campaigned for you, i just wont do anything illegal for you. Joining me now, jill, former Assistant Water GateSpecial Prosecutor and cohost of the sisterinlaws podcast. Charles coleman is a former prosecutor in brook win will, new york, a Civil Rights Attorney T Host of the Charles Coleman podcast. They will both legal analysts and you will often see charles in here because otherwise i would never be able to get out on the road. Thank you to you friends for being with us. Jill, let me start with this concept of i want to talk about the georgia case for a second. There were these 161 incidents instances in that charge in which it says this act was done in the furtherance of the conspiracy. This is important because the individual things that happened in michigan or in arizona or in pennsylvania or in wisconsin may not have looked like an effort completely overturn election but it becomes clearer and clearer with each passing week that there was actually a plan to overturn election and that trump allies and lawyers were intimately involved in it. It is all a very important to keep in mind, i think you use the word the web of crimes. That is what all of these confine show. The sum tote of the individual parts is much greater than anyone of the individual parts. There is a real picture that the American Voter should be getting from all of these indictments about how widespread the attempt to take down election was. Of how close we came to losing our votes from not having them counted, from having a coup from maybe lawful means. Actually, they arent even close to lawful. Let me take that back. Didnt mean to say it. It is not true. These were totally illegal means and all of them come together. We are going to really have a great revelation when all of these cases finally get trial assuming the Supreme Court doesnt dilly dallasy too much longer. Right. In arizona Donald Trumps immunity doesnt apply. Lets talk about this and i think jill makes an important point. We will have some revelations. What one of the ones hi is i thought after the election of 2020 that it was a bunch of disorganized bumbling fools who might have overturned the election if they could have but really didnt have the capabilities. Now everything i see shows how organized this was. This started as a maybe we will win a an audit or a case somewhere and then we will be prepared to move forward with the trump presidency. That wasnt what this was. This is an actually lets deceive people into saying that donald trump won the electoral votes. Lets send thoseal documents to the archives and congress. This is much more serious thanth it looked like at first blush. You are absolutely right. One fortunately what the work of thehe prosecutors across the country has revealed is this very large conspiracy to overturn the election. I know that sounds like something we have heard before but when you understand the interconnectivity of each of these parts that jill was discussing you get a sense of how wide and how far they were prepared to go in their efforts here. When you talk about what is unearthed, what i find interesting even though this is a legal conversation it really should be a very illuminating for the electorate. When you are looking at this huge scheme that expands throughout the entire nation, you have to understand what that means for who he was as a candidate. If there is any area that this should be an enlightment it should be for the electorate. Goes back to the ninth jill made about we will find this very illuminating, we will see some revelations. I think more importantly but differently than the courts and the legal system coming to these revelations, what has to happena for americans to understand now in many cases the same group of people or at least there are duplicates of these people charged in various places. This was all a real thing. This is not random prosecutors around the country going rogue. They all have the same evidence, the same texts, the same phone calls, the same recordings and the same testimony. The real problem is that there is a group of people in america who refuse to understand and see and accept facts. The things alleged in all of these indictments are facts. There are as you mentioned there are texts, emails, phone calls. Those are evidence. They are facts. There is a group of people who are loyal to trump who simply refuse to accept that. I do believe that jurors will accept it. Then i think that voters will be swayed by the fact that there will be convictions. All of this depends on getting these cases to trial in time for it to be something that cant influence how voters perceive the two candidates. Or at least this one candidate. I think we have to just go back to these cases have to go to trial. The evidence coming out of the new york trial is very strong and is being put together in a way this build as frame work that will be filled in with details and with corroboration from documents. That will lead a jury charged with the responsibility of voting for guilt or innocence based on the everyday in that courtroom, not on their preconceived notions. Jurors take that charm very, very seriously. We have had a maga juror in the case who said i love donald trump, i love him but i had to vote on the evidence and that any vote to convict on all counts. Im hoping the same will be true in the new york jury and any future juries. Charles, the judge in nevada said the six people charged in that state, that trial is not going to happen till january of 2025. I dont know whether whateverow the Supreme Court does has an influence on what goes on in the cases in michigan and in arizona where donald trump is he is an unnamed coconspirator. Does his immunity have any effect on the cases for which he is not named . It doesnt. It doesnt really affect him in that respect because he is not charged. I think that is one of the things that being unindicted coconspirator affords you in terms of the protection that is given by that designation. It hasgi less to do with his Immunity Status as part of the Supreme Court and more to cowith the fact that for various reasons prosecutors chose in those cases not to indict him. Is one of those reasons the fact that those cases can go forward regardless of what the Supreme Court decides . Well, that is part of it. I think when talking about coconspirator who is unindicted there are various reasons not do that. You might be looking to flip someone or get additional information. That wont be the case here. No one is expecting donald trump to flip on his coconspirators although it would not be surprising in this world at that point. I think that part of the strategy here that prosecutors have employed you are right. They want to make sure that regardless of what happens with him, regardless of whether he ascends to 1600 pennsylvania again as the commander in chief, whether he is granted president ial immunity by the Supreme Court, that their prosecution and preserving the integrity of these cases remains checked. I got to ask you what the spin today. Well, you have made two references. You said it was a busy week and that there was some bumbling going on. It is a busy bee. It hasit been a very, very busy week. If uh could just add unindicted Cocon Spiriter is a big advantage to the prosecutor because anything that donald trump says or said can be used against his coconspirators because that is the law. If you are a coconspirator your statements are admissible against everybody and we named nixon an unindicted coconspirator because theat Special Prosecutor would not let us indict him despite the evidence but agreed we could give a road map to impeachment to the Judiciary Committee that he felt that impeachment was a better solution for the sitting president. That wasnt true once he resigned and was an ordinary citizen. Things on that is. He should have been indicted then. Thank you to both of you. Wonderful seeing you both. Charles coleman jr. Is a former prosecutor in brooklyn new york. She the host of the Charles Coleman podcast. They will both msnbc legal analysts and great friends of this show. 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