They treated this video as i did it. Signed documents representing themselves as the duly elected and qualified electors for president and Vice President for United States of america from the state of arizona and then they transmitted those documents to the National Archives and to congress for counting for u. S. President mike pence on january 6th even though joe biden had won arizona by more than 10,000 votes, and you know the rest Tonight Arizona General chris mayes indicted them on seven criminal charges along with seven other coconspirator teres. Those coconspirators are names that will be familiar to you reporting to reporting from multiple outlets mayer mark meadows, Trumps White House chief of of staff, all advising and representing trump in various election lawsuits and schemes along with Trump Campaign officials Boris Epstein and mike roman five of these seven people were also inidated for similar conduct in the State Of Georgia where jenna ellis has already pleaded guilty the 11 fake electors were part of a multistate scheme to help former President Trump overturn results of the 2020 election there are already prosecution of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in that multistate scheme involving georgia, michigan, and nevada. But tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being brought in the state of arizona. Were here because justice depends an answer to the efforts for the defendants and other indicted coconspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizonas voters during the 2020 election. Arizonas elec the people Ofti Arizona Elected president biden. Unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. The state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down Felony Indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. These chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. These a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. These are serious indictments. As for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this does appear ut he as Unindicted Coconspiratorter number 1. Joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. My first thought was okay hes going to bleed out because we saw a similar scenario minus trump or plus trump in georgia and weve seen pdls there, and i just wonder this is a fairly relatively widea net, 18 peopl in this. Is your expectation some of them are going to plead out and become witnesses for state . Yes, althoughss some of the usual suspects are already unindicted coconspirators because they chose in advance of the indictment to cooperate. Namely ken chesebro appears to be undited and sydney powell seems to have pled out in georgia. Oend, you have all 11 arizona alternate or fake electors indicted here. Chances are that more than one of them will eventually plead out and give their cooperation. It is notable that vaughn, that Kenneth Chesebro seems to be and this is according to reportings from the Washingto Post seems to be all this. Illal read an excerpt tonight. Chris mayes, the attorney general had been squarely focused on conservatives late lastd year and then prosecutor met with Kenneth Chesebro. Chesebro provided records of those involved in the arizona effort. After that, they said, the arizona effort widened. How did she go about this, vaughn . It started out near the top. The fake certificate and sent it to washington, d. C. , these other seven individuals, the likes of john eastman, rudy giuliani, to Christina Bobb thai are still redacted in this indictment because they have yet to be actuallydi served here, these areve individuals that we tougher targets here and part of a greater conspiracy that is outlined by chris mayes, this investigation we first reported on this last summer and clearly she had what i call easier targets. She could havel focused on the electors but chris mayes who came into office in january last year intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only ath threat to the 2020 election but also the 2022 election and also future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed in a decision that castpr a wider ne. If i may what is notable about her indictment here is the fact she specifically outlines the fact sheal contends the 11 electors as well as these other 7 who are indicted as well that were trump attorneys or Trump Campaign officials, that they intended tols deceive the arizo voters. I just wantiz to read part of this. Rt defendants deceive the voters of arizona by falsely contending those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. It would encourage pence to reject the bidenharris votes on january 6. They were making the case this is just if in the scenario we actually found fraud mike pence could then go this route. But what kris mayes is outlining in the indictment is this was intendeds to seek donald trump whether he had the Electoral College votes or not. I was struck by the passage in the indictment. This seems legally significant, the sort of cover under which these fake electors have operated not just in arizona but other states. Well, this was a contingency plan. I thought that passage from an email from Coconspiratorter 5l is really damning. Just fyi i recall now there was a rush for legal petition to give cover for electors in arizona to vote on the 14th. That email is stunning, and that has been in the Public Domain before. In fact, t you can identify fro other Public Reporting who the Unindicted Coconspiratorter is, but i hadon forgotten about the details. Its just like many of the details in the Hush Money Trial thats currently going on are things we have known for years. So too is this an email thats been out in the Public Domain. But juxtaposed against all the litigation that was filed in arizona to see it one after the other fail and this admission from Unindicted Coconspiratorter, and by the way this was the cover, we were able toov file this other lawsuit in order to give legal cover to the fake elector scheme were giving you a reason. And its all there. And vaughn, when we talk about the ways this was an effort on the part of the a. G. Not just to seek accountability what happened in 2020 but also ensure against future fraudulent election tubehavior, you pointe out in the conversation with my colleague m chris hayes last ho is some of these people who have been t indicted are still very much involved in the Arizona Election infrastructure. Can you talk more about that. Lets choose tyler boyar as an example. Hes not going to be a Household Name to most folks but hes the rnc Committee Man in arizona. Hes the one at every rnc Committee Meeting winter meeting, Summer Meeting hes the one who has the vote for arizona. Hes the person not only one of these fake electors indicted but also the rnc committee meant hes also the Chief Operating Officer of turning point usa, which is the trump aligned organization that has garnered millions of dollars and its effectively taken over the Arizona Republican party in recentpu years. Tyler boyar, Charley Kirkner close with the likes of kari lake, Chris Homaday and is an election denier. Theres been a lot of frustration in the Republican Party with somehe folks who hav been around the Republican Party for abe while with some folks le tyler boyar and kari lake as well who came in and had this revelation, and ousted the likes of john mccain, ousted jeff flake. Jeff flake dropped out because he was losing in polling to kelly ward, and so all these years later these folks effectively took over the party are still effectively running the party. Their allies are the ones running for office here. Andfo theres little in kari lakes senate run here in 2024 is evidence of this. Of its the same allies of these very individuals that were naming in this indictment here along with folks like Boris Epstein, whos also unindicted in this, who continues to be the lead counsel advisor, Legal Advisor for a Donald Trumps 20 campaign. All these folks are still very muchlk in the game, so its not justso a matter of 2020 its a Bygone Era Making Good on tryino to bring justice to past actions but these are folks still inltimately involved whats happening in the next six months ahead of the 2024 election. Just to that end what do you see aswh the handshake between E Georgia Case and arizona case given the overlapping defendants in both. The fact jenna ellis plead out in georgia, does that suggest shes going to pleades out here . What can we map from arizona to georgia . Difficult to say because some of the facts are different and some of the communications also are very different. One thing that strikes me, though, is who isnt here. And thats obviously the former president o of the united state whos not a defendant here, and that leaves many people scratching their heads ass to y not. Ill venture one guess. On thursday, thats tomorrow, the United StatesSupreme Court is going to hear trumps president ial immunity argument. He has made president ial Immunity Arguments not only in the federalts Election Interference case but also in thE Georgia Case and also in the florida case. One reason that kris mayes may not have indicted donald trump here is she wants to see how that plays out first and give those unindicted to flip against the bus. Just when you think all the screws have turned, theres another turn of the script. Vaughn hilliard, amazing reporting. Deep cuts from the Arizona Election interference. Really appreciate your time tonight,ci sir. Lisa rubin, stay with me. Coming up trump has a new nickname tonight, Unindicted Coconspiratorter number 1, but tomorrow hell be back in a manhattan courtroom and known as Defendant Trump in the criminal Hush Money Trial. Well have more on the former president s escalating legal trials coming up next. S escalatl trials coming up next. Before Apoquel Chewable for allergic itch, giving dogs pills was a battle of wits. Oh maria, im wise to your foolish game. Is it gone . Totally gone. Itch relief just got easier apoquel, the trusted 1 treatment for allergic itch is now available in a Tasty Chewable that works in a day. Do not use in dogs with serious infections. May cause worsening of existing parasitic Skin Infestations or preexisting cancers and serious infections. New neoplasias have been observed. Do not use in dogs less than 12 months old. Ask your vet for Apoquel Chewable. We are awaiting a ruling from the judge in Donald TrumpsNew York CityHush Money Case on the issue of trumps gag order. Prosecutors are asking for ten 1,000 fines, 1,000 for each alleged violation of the gag order. But as they put it in the court yesterday thats is all theyre asking for now. While theyre not yet seeking an incarcerated penalty for donald trump they believe donald trump is aiming for just that. And for what its worth, right wing media seems to be angling for that, too. I would force them to throw me in jail if i were donald trump. The mug shot backfired. The indictments have been backfired. Being a martyr in jail for maybe what a day, 24 hours, i think that would be good. If they put him in jail for his First Amendment right, he would be like nelson mandela. Right after the court was allowed to break and allowed to use his phone again donald trump posted this on truth social. Highly conflicted to put it mildly. Judge juan merchan has taken away my right to free speech. Everyone is allowed to talk and lie about me but im not allowed to defend myself. This is Kangaroo Court and the judge should recuse himself. While attacking the judge does not run afoul of the Gag Order Trump is clearly poking the bear and running right up to the line of whats allowed. There is the legal side of this gag order, and were going to get some expert Help Unpacking that in just a minute. But theres also the media component. Yesterday we learned the full story how the National Enquirer and trump were in cahoots, not when it came to just catching and killing stories about donald trump like the Stormy Daniels story at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and the National Enquirer. The National Enquirer will publish glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, ones the enquirer would embellish or just completely fabricate. So trump and the National Enquirer had an explicit symbiotic relationship, having access to donald trump helped the National Enquirer giving its readers what they apparently wanted, so the enquirer helped trump however he wanted. And just to be clear here it was a totally unethical arranged, but it really seems like trump and the right wing and right wing media today are doing something quite similar. There may not be an explis lt agreement, but there is certainly a symbiotic relationship here, and that could really matter when it comes to this gag order. From the very beginning of this trial rightwing media has been repeating trumps lies about this case even the small stuff like claiming the judge barred trump from going to his sons high school graduation. In reality the judge has yet to make a decision on that request. In ways both Big And Small rightwing media has been diminishing trumps potentially illegal actions in this case and claiming that trump being prosecuted is the real injustice here. Do you think this is just compensation for a Nondisclosure Agreement which happens all the time in big businesses especially . It was not wrong. You hire lawyers to solve problems, the lawyers solved those problems, you paid them. Thats it. You back up 2,000 years and this is the kind of thing they would do in the Roman Republic that led to the end of the romen republic. I beg to differ of that last point. Trump has himself twice now had his aides precipitate out a big stack of articles for him, articles he then waves around outside the courthouse claiming that the content of these articles vindicates him. These are articles that were over the last day and a half, very good articles that say the case is a sham and shouldnt be tried. It shouldnt have been submitted. Everyone of them saying your vote the authors of these articles that trump says vindicate him, all of those people and fox news regulars, contributors, analyst, very likely paid by fox. And all of them are saying things that are wildly off from what the rest of the legal world has concluded about this case. As much as donald trump is kicking and screaming about how he needs to be able to attack the witness and the prosecutors and the jury, as much as trump is claiming the judge must kill this gag order so trump can mount a proper Public Defense, does donald trump need to do it himself, because he sure seems to have plenty of other people doing that for him already. Last week rightwing media and fox news host jesse waters demonized individual members of this jury. And one of the things prosecutors cited specifically as one of the instances of trump breaking his gag order is trump quoting jesse waters and saying they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. But heres the thing. Jesse waters didnt actually say that. Trump added the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. But within hours jesse waters corrected trumps mistake for him, posting trumps incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them t