that's tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts right now. tonight, day two of testimony the former presidents new york criminal trial. what we heard about the catch and kill scheme to help donald trump, and what happened in a heated hearing over trump's gag order. the senate passes ukraine finding and a possible tiktok band. we will breakdown the real winner of the 118th congress. good evening once again. i am stepanie ruhle. we are 196 days away from the election and today donald trump's criminal trial feature two main characters, longtime national enquirer publisher david and one of trump's own attorneys, todd blanche. today's hearing started with a hearing over trump's gag order and it ended with the judge telling trump's loot -- lawyer, you are losing all credibility. here's laura jarrett with all of those details. tonight, mr. trump's long time friend david the former publisher of the national enquirer offering the jury a rare glimpse into the underworld of tabloid tactics as the state seeks to prove the former president doctored his internal business records to cover up the payoff of an adult film actress days before the 2016 election. david described a meeting in 2015 with mr. trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, he said he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper, so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign, the potential in person -- embarrassment. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in the criminal contempt for violating the judges gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me and say whatever they want, they can live and i'm not allowed to say anything. i'd love to see everything that's on my mind. >> the defense argued that trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover repost of someone else. the judge didn't rule today but seemed exasperated telling the lead defense attorney, you are losing all credibility with the court. minutes later, during a break, mr. trump, back on truth social, falsely writing the judge had taken away his right to free speech. this is a kangaroo court. >> the trial will not be in session tomorrow but testimony will continue on thursday. with that, let's get smarter with the hope of our panel and we definitely need help. susan glasser, staff writer for the new yorker, conservative lawyer george conway, and he is in town for this trial, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman. i want to start wide and then go deep. george, your biggest take away? >> it was how trump's lawyers got creamed on the gag order, and the second biggest take away is how good a witness david was. for the prosecution. he's telling the story in an orderly fashion, he, you know, he's just the right demeanor to tell the story, chronologically from beginning to end, the theme being, this was all about affecting the election. and you know, that is, he is taking the weight off of michael cohen, that will be the defense who will try to build up the importance of cohen , a combination of basically setting the stage, for explaining why they ended up doing what they did with stormy daniels, and basically, explaining, you know, and then the paperwork, you, you don't really need that much from cohen , so it's a pretty powerful presentation, we will see how he does on cross. >> what is the defense going to do, just try and destroy his credibility and let's be honest, when you are the publisher of one of the biggest, multiple tabloids in the world for decades, there are going to be holes. >> i guess there are but i mean, whose buddy was he? so i'm not sure how they're going to do that, i'm sure they've got something but if , you know, ask with the demeanor and with the calmness that he's been showing in the courtroom and you know, and doesn't try to fight on cross and do things that you don't want witnesses to do on cross, like get defensive just stick to the facts, concede what you have to concede, you know, he can end up being just his credibility could end up winning the case for the prosecution alone. >> i have to agree with george 100% on this one. i think the prosecution had a really good day. it's one of those things where, on one hand, you sometimes want to do your best as a lawyer but they got a lot of help in terms of the gag order proceeding and how poorly trump's defense team did. to go further, a large part of the defense's case is going to be built on trying to chip away at the credibility of michael cohen as well as stormy daniels with regard to ulterior motives, with a witness like david setting the stage the way he did, you don't have to rely on the credibility as much, such that when it comes down to summation you can say, you don't have to believe michael cohen, you don't have to necessarily like or believe stormy daniels, look at david this is someone who knew trump, someone who had a relationship probably longer than any of the witnesses that you will hear from, with donald trump, and listen to what he told you. that is going to be key and then with regard to the gag order, stephanie, they blew it. and they blew it in grand fashion. >> but hold on, they blew it in terms of the performance today but when it comes to the consequences, what is trump really going to face, $1000 for each one? is he going to go to prison? really? >> i don't know that they blew it in terms of the performance, the problem was they had nothing substantive to say in trump's defense, the arguments that they were making were complete yes, one was, well some of these were just retweets and the other was, well he he was offended. and show me the judge, they said show me the attacks and it was like well -- >> part of the problem is when you are donald trump's lawyer, you are all trump's lawyer. but that was the problem here and actually charles brought this up today, in a tweet where he said, clearly, this man is encompassed enough lawyer to know what he is doing here is completely off. >> he had no choice, he's going to have to -- >> at a minimum i would have expected him to walk into court and at least have some sort of a plan or guideline to present to judge merchan to say, listen this is how we should go about evaluating these things to try and give his client some wiggle room. you know trump is not going to change. so you at least have to try and give the judge something that he can work with that donald trump might be able to follow. the fact that none of this was done, was a shocker to me and it reeks of a client that cannot be controlled. >> hold on, let's bring susan in. let's say donald trump does end up in jail for a short period of time, at some point, because of the gag order. how much is that going to impact public perception, and how much is it going to impact the trial, how much would it disrupted? >> it's not going to happen. i mean, i could be wrong, you've got a lot of distinguished lawyers there. it's not going to happen, donald trump is trying in my opinion, to bait the judge and the judge is frankly, and other cases as well, his strategy is in fact to violate the gag order and see how far he can push it in part, to break the credibility of institutions, that's the playbook that he's been running his whole life, and i believe that he believes that this judge is not going to put him in jail for violating the gag order and in fact, he is proving the hollowness to a certain extent and how the rules are different for him than other people and of course, that's really what this whole trial is about, isn't it? >> i'm going to disagree about him having a strategy. the man does not have a strategy . he is just a psychopath. he cannot follow rules, he cannot be controlled, and he's going to push the edge, no matter what, unless he comes up against an immovable wall. and i think with the judge can do here, is, i think there will be a $10,000 fine, but the thing i would say is, the next time, we've been clear here, the order says this, my explanation in my decision here is, here's why these were violations of the gag order, the next time you do this, you're going to spend an hour to in a holding cell and if you do it a second time, it's going to be four hours, and then it's going to be eight hours, and then we are going to send you somewhere where you stay overnight. he's not going to like that. i mean, he may be trying to bait the judge but, it's going to make him look weak and sad. >> can donald trump control his behavior? which it's not clear that he can, so you are saying these are consequences, it's not entirely clear to me that he could prevent himself from doing that. >> i absolutely agree, but, the judge has to telegraph this out in advance before he does it. >> hold on, susan? >> i'm curious whether george thinks that donald trump is really going to go to jail for violating the gag order? >> i think it's possible that i think it's statistically possible and i think the way you do that is to give the warning and say, you are this close. you are this close. >> how about the fact that it's day two, and judge merchan tells trump's lawyer, you are losing all credibility, can that not get lost here? >> this is why i said they blew it. you cannot have as much trial in front of you and have a judge, was presiding over the trial tell you, that you are losing credibility because guess what? once it's gone, it's very difficult if not impossible to get back and you don't want to have to deal with that in addition to trying to wrangle one of the most difficult clients in judicial history. that's not something you want to have to sort of balance in terms of what you are dealing with as an attorney. in terms of what judge merchan may do, i do believe that he is going to lay out a plan to go forward but i disagree about the strategy. i've said for a very long time and i maintain, he is intentionally putting pressure in all of his cases, why? because he finds a way to spin the narrative. if judge merchan throws them in jail for contempt, he's going to turn around and raise insane amounts of money as a martyr, if he doesn't, he continues to act -- >> can i add just one thing, quickly, for so long, everyone has said you can't hold trump accountable because this will happen or that will happen, you know, it's happening, and it's fine, there's like no one outside the course -- courthouse. >> are you so sure about him raising money, in 2016, there were massive crowds, there will people day in and day out standing outside trump tower. i was standing outside trump tower and you know who was speaking to see if he showed up today, passersby who were going to tiffany's or look at the gucci store so the story of 2016 was this maga crowd but it seems like the story of this trial, in 2024, is that it's awfully quiet outside the courtroom. >> i think there's a difference, donald trump the candidate and donald trump the defendant are one in the same in this really interesting amalgamation. i don't necessarily think the public support of coming down to the trial at this point is going to be what it was when he was a novelty choice in 2016 but i still believe that he will be able to galvanize the financial support from other people across the country, if he positions himself as the marker that he wants to believe that he is. >> it's growing old, though. he has tapped these people out. >> and the ft reported that he has 200,000 less small dollar donors. that's a huge number, even in the primaries today, in pennsylvania, you know, nikki haley, got a really good percentage and not even in the race. >> i want to listen to something that senator mitt romney said earlier today. watch this. >> i think everybody has made their own assessment of president trump's character, and so far as i know, you don't pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you. >> you do not pay someone 130 grand not to have sex with you. susan glasser, i never thought i would say, savage words coming from mitt romney but alas, here we are. >> here we are, but i have to say, mitt romney is a reminder, look at his colleagues in the senate, people like ted cruz, marco rubio, i've been thinking about them today with this extraordinary testimony and i think it's really gripping testimony from the former boss of the national enquirer, admitting, under oath, on the stand , that he essentially is working in concert with donald trump, and his minions in 2016 to plant false stories about trump's opponents including ted cruz, including marco rubio. vicious, personal lives, about both of those senators, not only are they, here we are eight years later, they are endorsing donald trump, they are working for donald trump, they are sucking up to donald trump, under oath, the former head of the national enquirer is admitting, that he essentially humiliated these men, in pursuit of donald trump's white house candidacy. and, you know, again, this shamelessness, the willingness of these folks to commit sort of like, you know, i don't know, like, harry carey, to debase themselves to the public. it's really humiliating, isn't it? >> i think so, so george, you are the table republican -- >> out. i haven't been a republican -- >> listen, don johnson -- >> oh! >> in republican circles, when news like this, when you see david saying yep, i made up the stories, it's what i did , like what happens in republican cocktail parties tonight, what are they saying like yeah, he made up stories about my dad, still voting for him, how does that work? >> i can't fathom it. i just think what they do is they do this, i mean, i was on the -- in the first class car -- >> oh, i'm sorry, first, you were that outfit and now you just told us, first class. >> this guy starts getting into a discussion, i'm headlining a fundraiser in d.c. for the biden campaign and what am i writing, because i was talking while he was writing and he starts going oh, joe biden, i couldn't vote for him and i was like, why, oh, the abraham accord -- >> were you talking to a grizzly bear? >> i'm having a discussion and basically he didn't know who e. jean carroll was, what they do is, they do this, they stop listening, they turn off the things that undermine their views of what they want to believe. they shut themselves out from reality pay >> but that's why this trial is actually good because a lot of people have forgotten about these women, about stormy daniels, and i think that all of these people, michael cohen and his fixer, this brings them back into the news cycle. >> there's a lot of folks who might say, i just don't want to hear about all of this. >> we have no more time. i'm so sorry. miami vice showed up -- >> look at this. >> he's doing his thing, what's going on? 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>> yeah, i mean, first of all, let's note that it's extremely important in terms of the timing for ukraine because of the delay, the pentagon ran out of the ability to keep supplying weapons to ukraine, russia has gone back on the offensive and they were running out of ammunition, they were having commanders report that they were having to fire their weapons at the russians because of the eight hold up in washington, there's insufficient air defense at a time when russia was launching some of its deadliest attacks on civilian targets and energy infrastructure across ukraine, so this had a very significant real-world consequence that republicans refuse to allow even a vote on this. i think it's a very significant moment. there's real concern that without this aid provision which is an additional $60 billion for ukraine out of the total bill of $95 billion, that you know, this comes almost at the last possible moment to make sure that ukraine does not suffer major losses, territorial losses to russia as it goes back on the offensive. >> one is on the trail, one is on trial. molly, they get this thing passed today wild donald trump is losing in court. so, amidst all of this, is joe biden winning? >> this is a win for biden, and this house came in and they had bold plans, they impeached a cabinet secretary, first time in more than 100 years, they tried to impeach biden on vibes, a vibes based impeachment and everything they've tried has failed and they've even had to wait on their appliance messaging bill, i mean this has been a tough congress and they keep losing members, and in fact, i think that most meaningful thing that happened was that marjorie taylor greene, who still wants to get rid of mike johnson and is still trying to put together this coalition of her and paul gosar and thomas massey to get together and get rid of the speaker, it was sort of told by trump, trump went on a radio show yesterday and sort of told her to back off. so i don't know what's happening here, but this is wild, they are losing their footing. and you have four states where republicans are running against each other in primaries, if this is not disarray, i don't know what is. >> george, mitch mcconnell, of all people had an interesting take today, he offered high praise for this well, and i want to share why he explained that this thing took so long to pass, watch this. >> i think the demonization of ukraine began with tucker carlson, who in my opinion, ended up where he should have been all along, which is interviewing vladimir putin. and so, he had an enormous audience which convince a lot of rank and file republicans that maybe this was a mistake. >> it's kind of a wow, from mitch mcconnell. >> he's not wrong but there's this other guy who was complaining about that air conditioning in manhattan courtroom who also was substantially responsible, we should be talking about him as well, the one who wants to give eastern europe back to the russians. >> but what he's saying is, that his own party, they are not thinking about governing, they are thinking about the media, the right-wing media and how they can appear. >> but it's also all about opposition, if biden wants to help a country, therefore, it's bad and that's basically trump's view, if biden wants to have border security, we have to stop it. you know, it's all just this opposition is him, you are defining the right-wing media, they are saying well, these other people are for x, we can't before it. and even if it's the national interest of the united states. >> in some ways, mitch mcconnell making a statement like that, is he sort of admitting that he's lost control of his congress or excuse me, his conference? 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because of the dobbs decision, courtesy of donald trump and the current supreme court. what else do we need to know about the presidents trip and his message today? >> well, the trip itself isn't that significant, yes, florida might be in play, i don't see a lot of evidence on the polling side that it is, but any day that president biden can talk about abortion is a day that he's going to talk about abortion and we will see this throughout the campaign. the fact pattern in florida allowed them to make their case, you know, six weeks, if it's now banned in florida, you have to travel many miles all the way to north carolina, if you want access to an abortion. so, this is the story the biden wants to tell. this is the warning he wants to make and as you said it, he wants to lay this at the feet of donald trump and every chance he gets, every day he can talk about abortion, he will and if he's not talking about it, his vice president will. and that's a cornerstone of the strategy going forward. >> and he can be on the trail and she can be on the trail while donald trump is on trial, this is trump's home turf. the wall street journal points out that on the florida law, trump has mostly avoided giving a clear answer but he recently said this, which didn't give a lot of 30, quote, florida is probably maybe going to change, and then he added, it's the will of the people. christina, how much does it hurt the former president that he doesn't actually have a clear answer on something that is life or death, and needs one? >> absolutely, and i think it's incumbent upon the democrats to consistently tie donald trump to his party, the extreme white right-wing faction of the party wants to make it completely illegal for a woman to have the right to choose. this is nothing about being pro-life, we know republicans are for the death penalty, they start children at home and at the border. it's clear that trump moves across the skill weather six weeks, 15 weeks, he's not sure, he doesn't care. he was pro-choice before he became a republican candidate, so he's not giving them any clear direction so as long as biden and harris stick to the script, that works. we've seen it in 2021, 2022 and 2023. when abortion is on the ballot, they win elections. that's the path that biden needs to stay on and he does not need to deviate, waiver or get pressured any moderate to conservative democrats who want him to say otherwise. >> do we even by that, on the surface, donald trump isn't giving a clear message but just look under the hood, he's the one who got us here. he is the one who delivered far right evangelicals their dream of the supreme court decision. so are we even buying this well, he's waffling now, he's the reason we are here. >> he absolutely is, stephanie, and he promises the supreme court justices and he delivered. as we emerge from covid, we keep talking about this amorphous thing called the economy. it's all about pocketbook issues. if you take away a woman's right to choose, that's a pocketbook issue. if the right wing republicans get what they want, if you say birth begins at you know, six weeks or whatever it may be or you are forcing women to have children, they are saying they cannot take care of them, that, does that mean that women can go to men and say you know what, so do these child support payments, this is getting a lot more moderate and weakening the republicans paying attention to what this means for them economically down the road. so, democrats not only need to link this to not just a moral issue of the woman's right to choose but if we want to go to the polls and talk about our pocketbooks, we have to also make it a fiscal issue and not just for women but for families across the board. >> hans, let's go back to what you pointed out earlier, is florida on the table, is it potential he winnable? republicans are quick to point out that the gop has more registered voters than democrats do. joe biden is trying to open a lane for himself. how real is that? >> i will believe that florida is on the table when we see's spending buys. they generated the press that they wanted but until you see, and like, polls, this time of year, it's april, my gentle joke on polls is it's like the sun, don't ever look at it but the big thing to look at is spending, and you know, when i talk to senior biden officials privately, no one is saying, they say north carolina is absolutely in play. it's not a stretch to state that, i don't hear florida being lumped into the category, yet but, i want to remind everyone, it's april. this election can go a lot of different ways, to christine's point, every time it's on the ballot, democrats have been pleasantly surprised and outperformed but if you are willing to accept florida and florida is potentially in play, you've got to be willing to snap back on the other side and say if things go in a different direction, there are a whole lot of states that might be in play for donald trump. so we can expand the map and the universe but if you accept that florida might be in play, you've got to find something on the other side if the conversation changes. i don't have a crystal ball and i am not correcting that. and i'm not a tennis champion, i'm a runner up. you know i'm loyal to the truth and i wouldn't want to mislead any of your viewers -- >> okay, in my world, hans, coming in second place is still a winner. i forgot, you are a winner take all, hard-core, you win it or you don't. i was trying to give you props for coming in second. >> close counts in horseshoes and hand grenades but not tennis. >> the one time i try to be nice to hans. women's college basketball had major star power this year, and it fueled fanfare to a whole other level. so can the wnba take that momentum and turn it into gold? 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>> it's really just been amazing, the attention on women's basketball and women's sport overall, the confluence of so many positive factors that one time including these generational players coming into the wnba that will be drafted on 15th and just following and the current players being a little edgy about come on rookies, we will show you how it's done. we are looking forward to tipping off our 28th season. >> why do you think there's this gap, this huge excitement in popularity for ncaa women's basketball and then there's a drop off when it comes to the wnba? >> i would say, there's three things you need in sports as i've learned, you need household names, rivalries, and you need games of consequence. and so those are the three things that drive people to view. >> and 3 million people were viewing that wnba draft last week. it was so exciting, and in the days that followed, there was this outrage, outrage over the salaries of players like caitlin clark and there's a lot of misinformation, so, do you want to help us understand maybe why this outrage is misguided? >> i think everybody thinks that we all should be on par with leagues that have been around 75, 110 years, mlb and the nhl and the nfl, they are all over 100 years old. the nba is their 77th year. so it's all about and economic model, more valuation of our media rights getting more people to sign up, and wnba is the longest tenured sports league for women. because of our big brother the nba. >> how do you take this momentum and super charge it. what is the biggest craziest idea you have? >> it is a great challenge. one of the things i start out of with ere meeting, with our gms and head coaches is the bold will win. everything must change. we l can't look at the wnba the past 25 years. we have to look forward and theh bold will win here. but sports comes down to marketing. so if you build it they will come. as we have more of our games on national platforms. more people nawatch. more people attend. more people buy your merchandise. your brand goes up. >> do you fear a perfect storm? you have all this positive momentum. let's say everything lines up. what if the viewers don't come? >> here is why i don't fear it. the quality of dthe game is am great. there is a lot more recognition of who these athletes are. they are generational players. we have to, the only thing we have to work hard on is getting the fans to watch us. i don't fear anything. i feel so blessed to be in women's basketball because it is not this class with caitlin and angel and the others, it is paige becker's next year and her class. it is kiki race on ucla. there is so much strength in this talent and quality on the court. it will win viewers. and that is why i don't fear it. >> sue bird who is a legendary player and an optimist. did say something sort of telling. where she said there's ina lot support and interest for girls sports. it starts to fade off when it is women's sports. and then when iyou look at women's basketball, it is sort of this trifecta of marginalized groups. in many cases. black, gay, obviously all women. do you think that has contributed to the lag or the lack of interest? >> i don't. i think what has contributed is media companies and corporate partners years ago and certainly when i came in the league, the first statistic i heard is less than 1% of all corporate partnership partners. and less than 5% of all media coverage is women's sports so how can you compete? you can't compete when the dollars are not flowing in. what we have seen, capital inflows coming into women's sports. i don't think it is as much as the demographic. i'm proud of our players. 80% women of color and lgbtq plus community. but my assess. and again, i'm a business person. my assessment is not that. it is also people not knowing the quality of the game is so good. i now have moms and dads saying the first professional game i rs want my son to see is a women's basketball game. i want him to learn to play the game that way. >> do you believe until recently, people have looked at the wnba or women's sports like it is an important investment or a passion project but they haven't looked at it like a profitable thing. >> i thought is this the right thing to do. almost like a charity. i dthink those days are gone. and everybody know wants a wnba team in their city which is great. because we are expanding. we already announced eathe bay area and soon more. and it is just such a great time when capital starts to flow in. you are viewed as a legitimate sports media property. and not just a passion project. >> if we are in these two chairs next year, what does success look like? 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