Identities that belong to pro israel and propalestine causes, and it can be very dangerous sometimes when we attempt to generalize and make it simple. And i think thats what spectator can do. We dont just catch the biggest stories, we catch every element. It is essential reading in this moment. Isabella ramirez editor in chief of the columbia spectator, thank you for everything you are doing to cover this topic. That is our show for this evening. My colleague, Lawrence Odonnell , with the last word, now. We have senator Elizabeth Warren joining us tonight when we change the subject from Defendant Trump, which we will describe. But, the big news in this room tonight is that eddie is back. Our four manager, the boss of me in this room is back, and he has been on leave. And, alex, the good news is i havent heard him say a word about the work we do here, or this show. Every single thing he is saying is all about his new baby daughter, maive, which priorities. I know that eddie is back, you and your show will be all the more perfect. Eddie is back, but hes not paying attention. Okay . Not at all. We are on our own. I have a Remote Control to run the camera here, myself. Thank you, alex. Have a great show. Well, it happened again. Stormy daniels, quashed donald trump. The breaking Defendant Trump news of the night is that Stormy Daniels has humiliated donald trump, once again come and while she was at it she humiliated his terminal defense lawyers. Tonight, granted the motion to quash the subpoena from donald trump demanding a vast range of information about the Making Of A Documentary Film titled stormy. The judge denied the motion saying this request is overbroad, six general discovery, and is not limited to the Subject Matter of this case. Judge merchan already quashed a subpoena for essentially the same material from Nbc Universal the producer of the documentary, the ruling by judge merchan came at the end of the day that began with the hearing about the District Attorneys claim that donald trump has violated a gag order that inhibits him from among other things, saying anything about jurors in the case. Prosecutor, christopher conroy, told the judge about a social media post that we reported as Breaking News on this program last week. And the prosecutor noted what i noticed about it when we reported here that donald trump presented it as a quote from Jesse Watters , but in fact donald trump rewrote what Jesse Watters said and added to that so that it was not actually a quotation of someone else. The District Attorney conroy told the judge this is a very troubling post at 5 46 p. M. , the defendant published a post on his truth social account that they are catching under cover of liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury that whole thing is in quotation marks, its attributed to somebody named Jesse Watters. What mr. Waters said was they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge, period. So, it is a hybrid of something Somebody Else said together with something the defendant apparently added on his own i think to the link its very clearly a violation of your order of april 1st. Todd blanche, current defense lawyer for trump, tried to defend that post by donald trump by saying that it was a repost of what someone else wrote, but judge merchan would have none of that. Judge merchan, it was post on april 17th at 5 46 p. M. And says in quotes, dump they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. , then it is attributed to mr. Jesse watters. Mr. Blanche, he said, they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge. And then not at the time, i dont believe he said in order to get on the trump jury. Judge merchan so your client manipulated what was said and put it in quotes, am i right . A blanche, i wouldnt use the word manipulation, your honor, but the rest of the quote is not part of the court. Judge merchan my other question is this is not a repost at all . Mr. Blanche, no. Judge merchan no. This is something that was said on tv, and your client had to type it out. He had to sit there, use the quotation marks, the shift key, type everything out, then add those additional words. Your argument that these are repost and therefore they are not a violation, that does not apply to exhibit 10, is it . Mr. Blanche, number 10 is not a repost, agreed. Judge merchan, so what is your argument as to exhibit 10 . Is ambiguous whether this statement violates the gag order. The gag order sets donald trump is prohibited from making or directing others to make public statements about any prospective juror or any juror in this criminal proceeding. So donald trump cannot make any statement about a juror. No statement at all. That Gag Order Warning could not be more clear. The defense lawyer insulted the intelligence of the judge and everyone there in the courtroom. When he then said President Trump is being careful with your honors rules and the judge interrupted saying, you mr. Blanche, you are losing all credibility. I have to tell you that right now. You are losing all credibility with the court. Now, you can spend years in a courtroom and never hear a judge say anything like that to competent lawyers. Judge merchan said he would rule on the violations of the gag order at some point after todays court session. And after donald trump left the courthouse he put in writing a letter that he said went he arrived at the courthouse today and he spoke to the reporters gathered before he entered the courtroom. The in Writing Version is more coherent than the loony version donald trump said into the microphone this morning, so we will do with the written version at 4 35 p. M. Today. Thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse in Lower Manhattan by Steel Stanchions and police, that is an absolute lie. I have walked down there several times, traffic is freeflowing in and around the courthouse, pedestrians, traffic is not hindered, there was a large gathering in front of the courthouse where i saw exactly three from supporters gathered there yesterday. Early reports today said only one trump supporter shoot up while the 85 thousand trump voters in manhattan completely ignored what was happening at their local courthouse. Absolutely no one has been turned away anywhere in Lower Manhattan [ inaudible ] in his twitter post showing you just how easily vehicles move around and just how much of no one is actually there in support of donald trump heard the truth is, Trump Supporters do not care that donald trump is being prosecuted. They have made that very clear. He has begged them to show up, and they have refused. Yesterday, donald trump said, americaloving protesters should be allowed to protest at the front steps of court houses all over the country. So there is donald trump summoning Trump Supporters in idaho to go to the courthouse, in boise, and stage big protest for him, in utah, or texas, somewhere where there is a vast majority of supporters for trump. Any courthouse in america, florida, anywhere, and no one, no one anywhere in the country showed up at any courthouse to protest the criminal prosecution. 74 million trump voters said absolutely no we will not protest Donald Trumps criminal prosecution, we do not care. They arent the only people who dont care. Donald trump is the only criminal defendant i have ever seen who cannot round up a Single Family member to sit in the front row of the courtroom and support criminal defendant, donald trump. His third and current wife isnt there, neither of his daughters are there, none of his sons are there. Not a Single Person or friend has showed up as a show support for donald trump, not one. Serial killer and sometimes cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer had his parents in the courtroom every single day of his criminal trial. Every day. Donald trump has less familial support than Jeffrey Dahmer had in the courtroom. Adam glass filled, was in the courtroom today, and will be there every day, fellow justice security, also joining us, former fbi counsel, district of new york, cohost of prosecuting donald trump, podcast that won this years best crime and justice podcast. Former acting u. S. General argued over 50 cases before the Supreme Court, hes a professor of law at Georgetown Law School and host of courtside, neil and andrew are both msnbc legal analysts, and adam, from inside the courtroom today, what, we all had a chance to read the transcript, and there is some stuff that looks hardhitting against todd blanche with the judge. What is the experience in the courtroom today . What do you gain by being there . What can you add to the exchanges . Right off the bat blanches reaction after that devastating line you lost all credibility. After the break in that moment when he is saying you lost all credibility what can you see with this lawyer . A tremendous amount of frustration, but at that moment he is trying to recover, and when the real misery of that takedown really became apparent was after the recess. And we always see, and reporters always remark on it, how trump is glowering when he enters the courtroom, glowering when he leaves the courtroom, and this time he was upstaged by his lawyer on the misery quotient. It was more than that one moment, this was as your introduction illustrated, a drumbeat. There are other moments throughout that oral argument. Im just going to read this one, very representative. He was asked directly if he had any case law to support his proposition. And so the judge asks him, so tell me what caselaw do you have to support that . Blanche, i dont have any case law to support that. But, its just common sense, your honor. How can it be President Trump is prohibited from violating the gag order through his words were casting another person to Say Something he was saying, jones interrupts all right, which is the lawyer goes on, all right, where does it say thats, give me the case law, blanche, your honor, there is none. So, this was just one kind of representative exchange, and this was a brutal and even one could say bloody argument that led to the devastating line. And we are on day two of the trial. Its very difficult for a lawyer to be told they have lost all credibility in the courtroom on the second day of whats expected to be at least a sixweek trial. Enter, donald trump is at home tonight thinking about that and wondering, can i use that as an excuse, where i fire todd blanche, and the defense team, because the judge says they have no credibility . Then do i stop the trial by firing my lawyers . Now, so the criminal law has figured that out. Every defendant would be like you would constantly be firing your lawyer and never going to trial. The way it works in a criminal case, not true in a civil case, to be once you are in the case you file a notice of appearance. You are now the lawyer of record, and there can be more than one. Here, there are actually three. You then to get off that case, the judge has to do it. The client cant just say this is not my lawyer, the lawyer cannot just say im off the case. Once you file in a criminal case you are in until the judge says otherwise. Here, and first of all, the argument is going to be todd blanche is doing his clients bidding. He has a client problem. And what hes not doing is what appears is when you are a lawyer and a case may have clients on both sides, whether the prosecutor or defense, you are an officer of the court first. What the judge is saying is you are an officer of the court. When i ask you a question you have to be candid. It is strategically the right thing to do, so what we are seeing play out as a client problem. Neil . I want to read mac a point when he referred to the possibility of being overturned on appeal on this issue of Contempt Of Court by donald trump. He says the fact the people did not come running in here immediately when your client started reposting things, or that the court did not decide to summarily find your client in contempt, a decision that probably would have been overturned on appeal, is not probative of anything you said. You know, maybe we have gotten too close to the line. I think what you should have done is my client is thinking of reposting some things, its not clear to us in the Gag Order Whether thats allowed, judge merchan, is that allowed . But i want to go back to the phrase where he said the decision probably would have been overturned on appeal. So, thats his response to certainly some comment thats been out there asking why is the judge acting more swiftly, and summarily, in reaction to some of these things donald trump has done . Yeah, the way i read that is trump is scared that this gag order that he has violated, and the penalty is not just the 1000 turn when the District Attorney asked for, but possibility of 30 days in jail. If you actually do that, if you seek real sanctions in terms of jail time, we will try to take an immediate appeal. Thats how i understand that word salad. Its a little hard to apprehend. But, i think reading the transcript that theyve made a little headway on that point. I think the judge is worried if he does impose jail time on donald trump, that it will lead to an immediate appeal and may be reversed on appeal. I think the other concern is the jury has been on the panel already. If this were any other defendant to fling really flagrantly violated gag orders they would be in jail. Are you going to keep the jury sequestered and so on for day after day while Trump Services other sentence . You could have him jailed at night, but that might interfere with his ability to prepare for trial. I think the best thing to do is for the judge to issue a Jail Sentence now but to suspend and say to trump look, you flagrantly violated this, every other person would go to jail. For you, wait until the end of the criminal trial, and if at the criminal trial you behave and dont act like a toddler and comply with the gag order, then i will consider not having you have to serve this sentence. I think thats a way to straddle all these competing concerns. What i dont think should be done is give 1000 penalty to donald trump for such flagrant violations. It might be a lot to him, i dont know that he has any money, but its still a slap on the wrist compared to the kind of contact conduct. In jail is where they spend the night awaiting trial, so theres no logistical struggle with that in theory. But, the judge knows that anything he would issue there would be appealed. How does that appeal process interact with the trial process . It should not affect it at all. I think neils idea is a good one and has this effect of this damacles hanging over your head. Even though there is truth social indirect media he could say with respect to truth social there will be a monitor, you wont have access. He could say susan necklace you are now responsible for it, so there are internal steps he can take short of just saying here is a 1000 fine, which isnt going to really do enough. He really has to do something. On the other hand donald trump desperately wants this story to be heat was jailed, because what happened today was david revealed that this was an entire fake news, just to the heart of everything he was saying is really with him, so he does not want this story in the trial to be the facts coming out, so it is a difficult issue. We are coming right back to those facts after we squeeze in a break here. Everyone is going to stay with us. We will get back to the case evidence. Evidence. Type 2 diabetes . Discover the ozempic® trizone. I got the power of 3. I lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. In studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. Im under 7. Ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. Im lowering my risk. Adults lost up to 14 pounds. I lost some weight. Ozempic® isnt for people with type 1 diabetes. Dont share needles or pens, or reuse needles. 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