Than 20 people dead. Most of them children. Here at home, texas controversial Immigration Law equated with stop and frisk. Its spreading to other states. Im Ayman Mohyeldin, lets do it. Interest among American Voters in this years upcoming president ial election has hit a near 20year low. According it an nbc news poll, 64 of registered voters say they have a high level of interest in the november election. Now on a night that might not sound alarming until you realize it is actually lower than what nbc news found at this same point in time four years ago and during every Election Cycle before it going all the way back to 2008. Interest in our president ial election comes as America Juggles multiple crisis both here and abroad. U. S. Is currently risking involvement in a growing war in the middle east as tensions over the israeli hamas war reverberate throughout the region. Contributing to rising inflation and gas prices for americans. Meanwhile donald trump has reported to a manhattan courthouse four times this week at the start of the first Ever Kim Trial of a former u. S. President. Come november he could also become the first to be convicted of a crime. And that conviction wouldnt bar him from running to become our president a second time. But no matter your stance on any of the above, we can agree on two things. This is an unprecedented moment in our countrys history. Americans arent interested in who wins the next election. Tonight the question is why . Is part of it the Trump Saturation Factor given the historic nature of his trial, the average american wont be able to escape seeing this guy on their screen for what is expected to be at least six weeks of trial. Or is it the fact that were gearing up for the president ial rematch that absolutely no one really wanted . As one poll told nwc news, i dont think biden has done much as president. If trump gets elected, i just feel it will be the same thing as it was before biden got elected. And to that point is this low level interest in this years election due to a broader sense that our political system is broken and that our government isnt representing us. No matter where you fit on the political spectrum. To answer all those questions, Life Questions i would say, lets bring in the former senior aid for the bidenharris campaign. Matthew doughty analyst, and also with us Jonathan Alter and msnbc contributor. Adrian, ill start with you. Just to be clear, i disagree with that assessment. I dont think joe biden and donald trump are the same for this country. I know that was a quote we shared from one person who participated in the poll. But what do you make of this phenomenon, adrian, that were seeing out there this low level interest around the same time, so it is usually the survey or the polls taken around the same time every time before the election, but that people are beginning to lose their faith in our political system and not as excited about the election as normal . Yeah, ayman, i would love to dig into it. I think a lot of it probably has to do, my guess, is that there is a lot of trump fatigue out there. This is somebody as you just mentioned, were going to see were in the very beginning of the trial. Were going to see him in the courtroom every single day for the next six weeks. This is also just the first trial of what will likely be several more. You know, during this Election Cycle, i think theres certainly Voter Fatigue going on. Look, when it comes to President Biden, the campaign is still very early, seven months away. There is still a lot. A lot of voters who are not tuned in to the election and who are not focused on whats going on. And i think once you get more paid media out from bidens campaign, focusing on his accomplishments. Focusing on not only the job creation, but the successes as president that he has achieved so far. Youll get what i call the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, the governor. We have a strong bench of really topnotch surrogates out there. Once you see the campaign heat up, i think it will be a lot of excitement and a lot of enthusiasm, and that will make a big difference and reflect in similar polls like this. This is the first time matthew, certainly in my lifetime that were seeing a rematch of two former president s. Its been a minute. Its safe to say weve seen this. How much of that is a factor that this is a matchup that people are not necessarily excited about from the get go . And in respective of who these two men and how different they are by the mere fact its kind of a replay of two individuals. America is really about politically speaking at least either rebirth or new candidates or new blood in the system . I think its a big part of that and a combination of things that we have two candidates that are both unpopular. Unpopular among their partisan and unpopular among the broad electorate in the course of this. We have 70 of the country that says we are off on the wrong track and we have two former president s running simultaneously in an immediate environment that people are constantly bombarded with information about each of them in the course of this. So i think all of those factors, i think lead to this moment in april, which were six and a half months away from election day, where people are kind of exhausted by it. I do agree with adrienne that probably come labor day when the argument is presented to the American Public about what this election is about and how much it matters in the course of this and the meaning that it will have. At that point people are going to be not focused on like oh, i dont like him and i dont like him. But focused on what it means to the country. One of the things that are showing us that way is that the number one issue in the new nbc poll i think as you know was not inflation, was not the border. The number one issue was protecting american democracy. That was the number one issue in the poll. So as that conversation happens, as we get closer to election day that we will set a new record. Jonathan, how do you think this will come from the general election . Is that enough time for both parties to be able to generate Voter Enthusiasm for their candidate . That is plenty of time. To meet these expectations that we have had in the last few cycles are kind of unrealistic as you mentioned the newsletter, im an old goat covering politics since the 1980 election and to the 80s, the 90s, in the early part, turnout was much lower than what it has been in the last three cycles. So we actually might see that reversion to the mean and go back to the period when, you know, just not too many people are interested. However, the other factor that we havent talked about beyond this being the first rematch since 1956 when stevenson and eisenhower squared off and he won for the second time. Before that youll need to go back to 1888. So the rematches are extremely uncommon and people dont like them. They want something new and especially when they would have two candidates of the record age. You have a rematch and you have two old guys, neither of which are recipes for the high turnout. And thousands of voters across the country have showed their frustration with the Biden Administrations handling of the israel, gaza war through their uncommitted votes and unrestricted votes. How much do you think that might be a factor into the early poll numbers about the low Voter Turnout . Reporter look, i mean ayman, this is the beauty of democracy, right . Where you have a chance in a primary to say to express your frustration and express your concern, and vote uncommitted such as allowing the voters and the democratic primary in michigan. There is a strong belief on the Biden Campaign that is reflected it in the polls this a lot of these voters will come home when it comes to the election. They just laid this out perfectly. There is a giant concern about protecting democracy. And that concern is not because donald trump, that the captain of protecting democracy. Its because hes not. Hell want to govern like the authoritarian. We have heard the words come out of his own mouth that we have seen what he has written on truth social. So thats where a lot of the concern is. I think when it comes down to it, yes, after labor day as they said when they are tuned in when they are really looking at what is at stake and the strong choice they have in this election, it will become more and more clear what independent voters and those swing voters that ultimately decide the smallest part of the electorate is pretty clear what they are end up doing and they will vote for biden. Yeah, congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez had a good point when she said at the end of the day, i would prefer organizing under a Biden Administration on Foreign Policy than i would trying to organize under a trump administration. Given what trump has said, we may not be able to organize against anything if trump becomes president in this country. Again, Freedom Of Expression would certainly be on the table for him if he invokes the Insurrection Act as he wants to. Jonathan, i wanted to turn to trump here in a moment during the hush money trial as we did see the former president in a new light. This is someone who was reportedly falling asleep. Somebody who did not have the stamina or the strength if you will to realize the moment he was in. Could his image actually take a hit during the next couple of weeks on trial in a way that actually dents him . Reporter i think it very much could. I was in the courtroom, and i saw him falling asleep. This is in the reportedly it, but this happened. On more than one occasion, by the way, on monday and then again on thursday and friday. He was nodding off. Thats not a good look. It will make it hard for him to call joe biden sleepy joe. That nickname is out the window. Think about the contrast. Joe biden has with what they call Kitchen Table conversations going on all across the country where he gets to highlight it all. Donald trump is having Defense Table Whisper Conversations with his attorneys. And that is not a good look. You cant get out there on the trail and the split screen of Biden Campaigning and trump in a criminal trial where he very easily could face convictions. We dont know. Hes in some deep legal trouble right now. Thats not a good look for trump. Matthew, is there a moment in this process or trial over the next several months where the Biden Administration has to comment, has to talk about whats going on without interfering in the trial without appearing to interfere with the trial . But really using it to crystallize whats at stake for the American Voters who may right now be as a result of fatigue for whatever reason tuning some of this out . First ill say i totally agree with jonathan on this. I think the falling asleep is the worst thing so far this year to happen to donald trump. Because it is a core thing that he constantly talks about his vigor and stamina and all the supporters draw these crazy pictures of him, whatever hes doing, crazy stuff that they do. And that falling asleep goes straight to that. That takes a strength he thought he had into a weakness. On the other part of this, the Biden Campaign has been very smart. They shouldnt say a word about this until the point hes convicted. Once hes convicted, then they should just go all in on it and basically say do you really want to elect a president that has been convicted of a felony in the course of this . I would not say a word until that moment happens. Adrienne, final word to you. Do you agree with that as well as a strategist . Yeah, look, Donald Trump Being On Trial speaks for itself. Why get into the politics of this . Why try to politicize it . 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The mother who was seven months pregnant, her husband and their 3yearold toddler were all killed in an israeli air strike that also killed 22 people. 18 of them children according to the Health Officials in gaza. Child born into a world surrounded by death, now already an orphan. And while the theater of horror that has become gaza is live streamed on our screens nonstop, 24 7, this is what our congress thinks is the best move. On the vote the bill has passed. Without objection, the motion to reconsider has been laid on the table. That was the House Of Representatives on capitol hill yesterday after passing a 95 billion aid package with no restrictions for ukraine, israel, and taiwan. The long awaited bill, which saw broad bipartisan support is now headed to the senate for a vote. Roughly 26 billion is allocated for israel. That includes money for the Israeli Military and all its advanced Weapons Systems despite the growing horrors that the world is witnessing. 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