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With each new one of these, the judges issuing these rulings learn from the way he has treated all the previous gag orders i think they are getting a little stealing their spine in terms of what its going to take to enforce these things. Yes, the District Attorney and the judge both aligned on the washington d. C. Gag order. Thanks, lawrence. The Breaking News of the night is that donald trump has been gagged, again, after a flurry of new findings at the end of the day. Asking the judge to expand his gag order and Donald TrumpsDefense Lawyers filing their objections to expanding the gag order claiming that donald trump did nothing wrong by attacking the judges this the judges daughter. It now for bids donald trump from commenting on the judges family or the District Attorneys family. Their families were not previously covered by the gag order. The judge also warned donald trump, as requested by the District Attorney, that if he continues to disrupt the case, donald trump will lose his legal rights, as a defendant, to even know the names of his jurors in the case. The first line of the District Attorneys filing in the case tonight says, defendants dangerous, violent, and reprehensible rhetoric fundamentally threatens the integrity of these proceedings is and is intended to intimidate witnesses and trial does likeincluding this court. The District Attorney is asking the judge to clarify or confirm his previous gag order on donald trump that protects Family Members of the court, the District Attorney and all other individuals mentioned in the order the District Attorney pointed out that a social media account that donald trump publicly ascribed to the judges daughter was, a fraudulent impersonation. The District Attorney added, there is no constitutional right to target the family of this court, let alone on the blatant falsehoods that have served as the flimsiest pretexts for defendants attacks. Defendant knows what he is doing, and everyone else does, too. The harm to the orderly administration of this proceeding is magnified by the high likelihood that potential witnesses, prospective jurors, and other Trial Participants will observe defendants attacks and understand that, if this courts family is fair game, then so are theirs. This issue is not complicated. Family members of Trial Participants must be strictly offlimits. Defendants insistence to the contrary bespeaks a dangerous sense of entitlement to instigate fear and even physical harm to the loved ones of those he sees in the courtroom. Donald trumps attorneys brief points out that the gag order does not apply to Family Members of the court in the District Attorney and that of course is why the District Attorney was asking the court to expand the gag order. So, that is what the court decided to do. Trumps criminal Defense Orders argued in their filing that Donald Trumps comments about the judges daughter officially became part of the case, when the Trump Lawyers use that as a reason for the judge to recuse himself. The judge denied that. The Trump Lawyers argued, trumps comments concerning your honors daughter are properly understood a criticism of the courts prior decision not to recuse itself, the challenge to social media pro posts reflect president trumps exercise of core Constitutional Rights under the first and sixth amendment. The advocacy was also necessary and appropriate. At 7 50 8 pm tonight, the judge issued his decision and order. He quoted the trumps lawyers defense that trumps statements plainly constitute Core Political Speech On Matters Of Great Public concern and criticism of major public figures to which the judge said, attacking Family Members of presiding jurists and attorneys assigned to his cases serves no legitimate purpose. It merely injects fears in those assigned or called to participate in the proceedings, that not only they but their Family Members, as well, are fair game for defendants vitriol. The judge quoted the District Attorney saying, multiple potential witnesses have already expressed grave concerns about their own safety and that of their Family Members, should they appear as witnesses against defendant. That led the judge to this conclusion. It is no longer just a mere possibility or a reasonable likelihood that there exists a threat to the integrity of the judicial proceedings. The threat is very real. Admonitions are not enough, nor is reliance on selfrestraint the average observer, must now come after hearing the recent attacks draw conclusion that if they become involved in these proceedings, even tangentially, they should worry not only for themselves, but for their loved ones, as well. Such concerns will undoubtedly interfere with the Fair Administration of justice and constitutes a direct attack on the rule of law itself. Again, all citizens, called upon to participate in these seatings, whether as a juror, a witness, or in some other capacity must now concern themselves not only with their own personal safety, but with the safety and the potential for personal attacks upon their loved ones. That reality cannot be overstated. The judge accused trumps lawyers of baseless misrepresentations that result in accusations that are disingenuous and not rational. To argue that the most recent attacks which included photographs, were necessary and appropriate in the current environment is farcical. The judge found that there exists no less restrictive means to prevent such risk to the proceedings. The judge gave donald trump this morning, defendant is hereby put on notice that he will forfeit any statutory right he may have two axis juror names if he engages in any conduct that threatens the safety and integrity of the jury or the jury selection process. Leading off our discussion tonight, u. S. Attorney and professor of the Alabama School of law. And, cohost of the podcast sistersinlaw. Also harry litman former u. S. Attorney and Deputy Assistant attorney general. Joyce, let me get your reaction to what you read in the order tonight. You know, this is very serious, lawrence we see these orders from judges day in and day out every once in a while you read an order and the language stops you cold. This is a judge who has had enough. He is not reacting in an emotional way. It is measured, well grounded in the law. As you pointed out, he lays it out stepbystep and then he concludes that there is nothing less restrictive he can do. He, in essence, Admonishes Trump that if he crosses the line again, he will face Criminal Contempt. He cites to the statutory provisions in new york law that Permit Judges to invoke Criminal Contempt and there are two possible penalties. One is the fine, and the amount is so de minimis that if we get to that point the District Attorneys office will say this Dollar Amount will not do anything to deter trump. The other option is custody. The judge can punt a defendant in jail for up to 30 days. Look, this is an extraordinary step. I am still not certain we imagine that the former president will be jailed pending trial. But, the judge has laid it out clearly and said that donald trump is attacking the heart of the rule of law with deliberate conduct. So, if he continues to do it, if the judge finds that he does it with the intent to material, influence or impede the trial, the judge has told donald trump what comes next. Harry, when i was reading the judges order, it made me kind of work back through what led to this. It reads as if this really might not have been possible until tonight. Like the judge was waiting, if he was going to do this, he was going to need more, he was going to have to see the threat develop so that he could get to the point of Writing Credibly in his order, the threat is very real. That is exactly right. He wants to try to be dispassionate because he does not want to look as if he is perfectly personally exercise because it involves his daughter. Trump administration 70 some tweets or social media over the weekend including pictures of the daughter. But it is both that and what has happened recently, the judge has a new arrow in his quiver that they did not have in d. C. And that is really everywhere in the order. That is the upcoming trial. Two weeks from today. All the points he makes about people being cowed and participating in proceedings have real bite and constitutional force because he can say, there is a trial in front of us that you are threatening to prejudice and undo and frighten the participants of. That gives him the extra leverage that say another judge would not have had yet. I think it is a game changer, basically, for the rationale that permits him to do this very thing. One thing to add to what joyce said, it is always tricky with trump. You dont want to put him in jail, but the judge puts in his order, this a very interesting point, maybe you lose your statutory, that is the right to know the names. You learn a lot about individual jurors and that is a creative kind of threat that isnt Down The Line of we are going to put you in jail which pretty much Everyone Wants to avoid if possible. We had plenty to talk about just on the filings we got at the end of the day from the District Attorney and the Trump Defense lawyers. What happened with the judges order, he basically adopted all these arguments being made by the District Attorney that i was going to be asking you about, especially the argument that this is not just about the judges daughter. This is about every potential juror who comes into the courtroom. Every potential witness who might be called who is out there thinking, if this guy can attack the judges daughter, imagine what he can do to me, imagine what he can do to my family and that was the real threatening aspect of what trump was doing that the District Attorney persuaded the judge he had to take action against. Yes, that is exactly right. Jurors do not have longterm protection like judges daughters probably will be able to access this is a very real threat. The da pointed out in their briefing that they have had witnesses tell them they are getting concerned. Potential jurors are often concerned. We have both dealt with situations like this but no one with as public a megaphone as trump, who has a demonstrable impact on his followers. Jurors would literally have to be looking over their shoulder in your. This goes beyond whats happening in this trial. This ties back in to the targeting that donald trump is doing on social media of people up to and including the president. We are at the point where a judge simply has to say, enough is enough, i will find a way to hold this man accountable or we cant, in good faith, ask jurors and witnesses to go in and play their roles in this trial. The Trump Lawyers filing to this judge tonight, arguing that our client has a perfect right to attack your daughter whenever he wants to, that is legitimately part of this case. That did not get anywhere with this judge. Farcical, he called it. There is no legitimate purpose, he called it. The notion, and he gave a lot of peons in the opinion to trumps right to have First Amendment criticism, et cetera, et cetera. This sort of vilification about the judges daughter has zero First Amendment value and true risk as joyce was just detailing to a trial that is about to begin. He swatted it away. But, i think he did it in a way that he wants to not open himself up to any accusation that he is getting personally engaged in it and he did not. It is grounded in the law and says there is nothing on your side really, it is contemptuous of trumps suggestions that this is core political speech and, that there is something really big on the other side. Thank you very much for starting off our discussions tonight. More Breaking News, donald trump managed to post the 175 million bond in his new york civil fraud judgment against him for the 464 million judgment he is appealing. Joining us now is Dan Alexander. Dan, how did donald trump do it . Who gave him the money . He did it with the help of a Company Called night specialty insurance company. They fall under an umbrella of companies. Owned by don hankey. He made his fortune originally offering Subprime Auto loans. He is comfortable with looking at people who have marked out for the histories and saying, they have the collateral we can afford to do this and we are going to make money on it. Apparently, that is what happened in this case. Going forward, donald trump has now the money to cover that bond so his assets will be protected. During the appeal, what do we expect donald trump had to put up in order to get this backing to do this . One of my colleagues just got off the phone with don hankey who said that the collateral for this was a combination of cash and Investment Grade bonds. We knew he had a substantial amount of cash, we estimate his liquid assets at roughly 400 million right now. What is interesting here is that he has tied up a chunk of that both as collateral on this judgment and also with collateral in a bond in the E Jean Carroll case. Forget building massive New Buildings were propping up truth social with a big injection of cash, those things will be very difficult for him to do at this point. How does this affect any other aspect of his legal predicaments. When you are evaluating the risk with a borrower, would you want to consider he is a criminal defendant in four Different Cases . Certainly you would, but that being said, lenders and insurance companies, the sorts of people who will enter Financial Arrangements with donald trump, they are people who want to make money. Time and time again, despite the fact that trump has been accused of fraud, found liable for fraud and charged with criminal counts, there have been people willing to do business with him. They might not be the alist banks that, they might be demanding higher interest rates, but there is going to be somebody out there willing to put up money. You saw that in this case and my suspicion is that you will continue to see that in the future should he need more. Thank you very much for joining us. Coming up, today the Florida StateSupreme Court decided to give voters the chance to overrule the abortion ban enacted by the florida legislature. That has given democrats new hope in florida in the november election. We have two who will join us next. Next. And wakes up feeling like himself. Get the rest to be your best with nonhabit forming zzzquil. Life, diabetes, theres no slowing down. Each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. Thats why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response. Uniquely designed with carbsteady. Glucerna. Bring on the day. Were still going for that nice catch. Were still going for that perfect pizza. 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