hi, ari. >> thanks so much. welcome to the beat. we are living through this ongoing and intense backlash to that early supreme court decision you may remember early in the political calendar if you go back about two years to overturn roe v. wade. that was a 50-year precedent that had always provided women in the united states to right to choose. for the entire duration of those 50 years. it was the first time a supreme court ever retracted a human right in american history. >> in this historic decision, the supreme court has now overturned roe v. wade. >> this is a devastating day. >> the radical supreme court is eviscerating americans' rights. >> this is insane. >> i'm worried for the young women who are on opposition who don't understand how at risk their lives may be. >> my number one is pro-life and i'm going to vote pro-life. >> i'm absolutely concerned about voting for reproductive rights. >> the first ballot test for abortion rights and the answer was clear and decisive. >> i think this is a resounding message that when you put abortion on a ballot, it wins. >> the supreme court heard its first major abortion case since overturning roe v. wade in 2022. >> a woman who would want to get access to mifepristone even in states where abortion is legal. >> that is a road and context for what we are now. there was this earth shattering decision from the decision that overturned roe and since then, we have heard from people who supported that decision including justices themselves, that that was the end of it, nothing to worry about. they were wrong. we have to understand how so many people on the right then took the roe decision and went further. let me remind you a couple of the headlines you may remember and some you may not. idaho became under that new ability under overturning roe on the dobbs decision to be one of the most extreme anti abortion states. implementing laws restricts any travel meaning now it's not just restricting your body and your decision with your doctor, but whether a woman could travel for her own healthcare. texas. falling right in that same plan. clinics in 15 states. that were offering abortions had to stop. that year alone. because of the issues around what many feared would then be the next step of prosecution. republican lawmakers also flatly rejecting one of the compromises they used to promise that in the event, i'm going to say this quite literally tonight because this is the story hitting the high court. that in the event someone was criminally raped or criminally abused through incest, that they would have that right. that was also rejected by as you see republican lawmakers. that's an ap story. just a nonpartisan summary of that policy action. now recently, the implications of overturning roe have been wider than just so-called abortion issues. alabama's judges took the ball and ran way down the field. they ruled under a step that they say god quite literally required that there should no longer be ivf allowed because any frozen embryos should legally be treated as children. alabama's own republican governor then signed a bill protecting ivf treatments in that state, but that's again how far it went. republicans had buyer's remorse because cracking down on people attempting to have kids through modern science just like cracking down on actual abortion itself proved to be something that was extremely unpopular even in red states. now then there's the talk about contraception. today's supreme court hearing was regarding the abortion pill. so everything i'm showing you is the lead up to the top news today. as the justices have to decide whether this is the policy bed they want to actually sleep in and whether access to abortion pills which is one of the ways that most women exercise early term abortions is something that should also be cut off or nationally restricted. not just at the state level. now it may be a long time until we get the decision but i can report for you tonight that with the context of everything going out suddenly now the justices are skeptical about taking another step to further limit access to this healthcare decision by women. indeed, it was unusual to see unity on this kind of social issue but conservatives like gorsuch, barrett, and kavanaugh, were at least in the questioning, joining other more liberal more democratic appointees on the court as they expressed what could only be called doubts about taking another step to try to have the government, that's what this is. that's why it's not very traditionally conservative, have the government prevent women from making these choices themselves. >> i had understood the conscious harm as justice barrett does but you suggest there's a broader one. >> under federal law, no doctors can be forced against their conscious to perform an abortion, correct? >> we've had one might call a rash of universal injunctions. >> is it the first time, is it the only time any court has restricted access to an fda approved drug by second guessing their judgment. >> justice jackson also discussed one of the issues at the center of this. whether the claims here which are by a group of people who are antiabortion who also have medical degrees, so they're basically antiabortion doctors, whether that group filing this challenge should be able to somehow push along a debate that otherwise wasn't happening. that they should get to this to the court and dictate a new restriction and prevent every woman from being able to access this medical choice. >> what they're asking for here is that in order to prevent them from possibly ever having to do these kinds of procedures, everyone else should be prevented from getting access to this medication. so why isn't that plainly overbroad scope of the remedy the end of this case? >> good question, right? ultimately, this case like the case that overturned roe, circles back to the same understood lying questions even though this time, the court and the republican appointees may be afraid for various reasons to go further, but it's about freedom. freedom for women to make these choices or not and whether the government will restrict that freedom. let's be clear. i've mentioned this before. there are strong religious objections to abortion. people who feel this is a life and death issue but when it comes to how we have generally tried to address those type of religious debates in our country, we have freedom of religion and freedom of choice and action. so people who want to tell their peers, their fellow citizens about their religious views or urge them to do or not do something are free to speak that. we have great, robust protections for freedom of worship and religious speech. the question was, again today, whether that kind of view which can only really be called a theocracy where that kind of view should then govern other people's lives. that the government should say if you don't go to church or observe shabat or you name it, follow someone else's religious views on pregnancy, then you should be legally restricted. and that means as we've seen in some of these states, doesn't stop with the restriction. there becomes other restrictions like freedom of movement and travel. women being told like some hand maid's tale that they can't travel. they can't move around in their state or go to another state or that not only are they restricting what they do with their healthcare, but they might be punished for it. i showed you last night then candidate trump women and doctors who exercise this medical choice should be punished or imprisoned. this is not overreach. this is what the debate is right now. now, in the roe majority, i mentioned earlier i was going to show you this, and now i am. we were told women would keep their power and the issue would be returned to the states. this is judicial speech for no biggie. justice alito writing women are not without electoral or political power and they could then go to the states and get this all worked out. of course, if there's a national ban or if judges take it further as they did in alabama, then the fact women are allowed to vote doesn't override what the judges do. now, there are other cases where abortion rights within the supreme court are still front and center because you have the contraception, ivf, marriage equality is now on the chopping block. and the question when you limit the power of women and minorities or have these kind of crackdowns of democracy, why should women have to mobilize for years just to undo what a couple of unelected judges did? in other words, alito, if you feel strongly, go vote. although there are problems with that logic, women are going to vote. they're demonstrating this power again and again. everywhere there's been a vote since roe was overturned, people, red, blue, purple states, have come out and expanded abortion access. when you look at what women think, the vast majority over eight out of ten think at least some abortion should be legal and they have the opportunity of course to advocate for these rights this november because take a look. this might be bad news for trump and the republicans, but this is what i told you has been happening since they overturned roe. here we are going into november '24 and these are the places where abortion is on the ballot which may mobilize more people to treat this as the big issue. i played what we heard in the supreme court today. that they may not go as far as the right wingers want and i have some special guests to explain maybe why that is. we're in a very busy time, we cover so many issues. we have these fraud rulings, trump on trial, the economy, people asking questions about biden and whether he's fit for another term. all of that is supposed to be part of the democracy debate. but we are going to get into this tonight looking at the past two years and how women and women's rights experts have spoken again and again on whether this might be the issue that 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healthy joints. this is insane. and going over to the other side, especially. i wanted to yell at the people there just how. >> one of the many protestors that was on the day that the roe decision came out gutting roe v. wade. obviously emotional for so many. as promised, we turn to two experts on this. planned parent hood alexis and nina. alexis, i put the to you i raised in the intro. is this a year where women's rights and women's fight might be decisive? >> without question, ari. i think we have seen it since the dobbs decision, right? we have seen every time reproductive freedom has been on the ballot, we have shown up. women have shown up. young people have shown up. men have shown up. it's across states you wouldn't expect to mobilize around reproductive rights and freedom. to the protester who was there that you just aired, it is exactly that level of kind of personal connection to what it means to take these rights and freedoms away that is continuing to drive the politics that we are seeing right now. so without question, reproductive freedom is on the ballot and we will continue to be mobilizing around it. >> nina, let me play a little bit of justice sotomayor today. take a listen. >> the problem with all drugs is there are complications in virtually all of them. >> yes. >> at what level the cost benefit analysis tells you to stop prescribing something is a very difficult question, isn't it? >> and that's a question congress has entrusted to fda. >> what did you hear coming out of the oral arguments today? >> well, you know, i was very fascinating, actually, by this argument because all four of the female justices including justice barrett, who has a long record as a private citizen of having been antiabortion and who has seven children and has had miscarriages and led really by her, those four women all asked fairly detailed medical questions about this decision and who should make it. the fda or somebody else. some, you know, some undetermined person. and it was very interesting to me that they, this was not a conversation that you would have had at the supreme court before 1981 when justice o'connor became the first woman on the court. some of those questions simply would not have occurred to people on the bench. who knows, they might not have occurred to me because it was such a different and male dominated era, but this is a five-four court when it comes to gender. and it really did reek of a difference. i thought. so i thought that was very interesting. and i thought it was pretty clear from the get go. of course, you can always be proven wrong in this stuff, but nobody except perhaps justice alito and to a lesser extent, thomas, was even interested in exploring in how the fda did its job. they all seemed to sort of take as a given that god knows we don't want to have to do that. we're not scientists. we shouldn't be deciding that then justice alito saying you know, is the fda infallible? won't somebody essentially, can't somebody sue the fda and say you're worng. that's sort of the point the advocates were making on the fda side. this is a scientific enterprise and the whole point of the fda law is that they're supposed to be monitored and then they're actually supposed to take them, take restrictions off when they're no longer necessary. when they've been proven no longer necessary. so that was the point that they were making. i thought that erin hawley, who represented the alliance for hippocratic oath, really struggled to make a different point because every time she was asked for examples, she had a hard time coming up with them and you know, really, the alliance brought this lawsuit. it's a group of antiabortion doctors. they have to prove that they're harm. except they don't prescribe mifepristone. so how do you do that? well, they said we sometimes have to clean up a failed abortion. and that's when barrett said but you don't know necessarily that there's a living embryo there at all. it's a miscarriage. >> yeah, it's a serious topic. i'm only smiling at the altitude of the logical problems there, right? standing means you have skin in the game. and the fact that you want to prevent someone else from doing something that you have nothing to do with may not be enough skin in the game legally. alexis, nina also raised the point that have been women jurists involved is a positive as opposed to having nine men make decisions that affect the other half of the population. you almost get the impression that diversity, equity, inclusion, can improve a group process, but you know, that's a debate for another day, right? >> different subject. >> exactly. dei. >> there's real science behind diversity. >> coming to an organization near you. i want to play something for you, alexis. maybe i'll have you both back to talk about that. but i did want to play the second point nina raised. we know what it's really about. but then anyone who's ever been in a meeting or a debate or argument where more than one thing comes in and you kind of know you're fighting about this, but then the other stuff comes in. this who decides thing and government thing fta was a whole issue. take a listen to the back and forth alito and jackson. >> do you think the fda is infallible? >> no, your honor. we don't think that and we don't think that question is really teed up in in way in this case. >> you were asked if the agency is infallible. i guess i'm wondering about the flip side, which is do you think that courts have specialized scientific knowledge with respect to pharmaceuticals and as a company that has pharmaceuticals, do you have concerns about judges parsing medical and scientific studies? >> yes, your honor. i think we have significant concerns about that. >> so nina mentioned this. can you put it in plain english what's going on there? >> yeah. i mean, essentially the fact that this case was being brought not just without a perceivable lack of standing, right. you're also seeing the questioning of the fda's ability to understand and process its own data and the studies that have been done on the 5 million patients who have used mifepristone in the u.s. in the last 20 years. and i think there is a preponderance of evidence as one might say, mifepristone is very safe. very effective and the idea that the courts should be the ones to decide this. much less the fact that one judge, remember this came before the judge in texas can single handedly undermine the approval process. to further extend that line of questioning going into the impact that challenging and undermining the fda could have on you know, on innovation in medicine. there's a reason why the form pharmaceutical industry was in the same conversation with the fda on the same side and we have to consider this. >> really important. we want to come at this on multiple angles because there's law and the raw democracy part of it which is really interesting. i want to thank you both. love to have you both on together. that is the end of the supreme court coverage tonight. want to turn now to an update from nbc news. nbc news leadership has announced that former rnc chair ronna mcdaniel will not be an nbc news contributor. we have a new e-mail and update that's come out within this hour. so this is sort of breaking news here within our organization on a story that has garnered significant attention and criticism. what i'm going to do now is read the entire update from nbc universal news group chairman. he has written quote, there's no doubt that the last several days have been difficult for the news group. after listening to the concerns of many of you, i have decided that mcdaniel will not be an nbc news contributor. he goes on to write that no organization particularly a news room can succeed unless it is cohesive and aligned. over the last few days, it has become clear the disappointment undermines that goal. he continues to say, quote, i want to personally apologize to our team members who felt we left them down. while this was a collective recommendation by some members of our leadership team, i approved it and take full responsibility for it says the chairman. he explains quote, our initial decision was made because of our deep commitment to presenting our audiences with a widely diverse set of viewpoints and experiences, particularly during these consequence shl times then in closing, this message which again is brand-new. we're airing it for the first time here on msnbc having come out this hour. quote, we continue to be committed to the principle that we must have diverse viewpoints on our programs and to that end, we will redouble our efforts to seek voices that represent different parts of the political spectrum, end quote. if you watch msnbc as you probably do if you're listening now or you follow news media and politics, this has been a royaling debate since that initial announcement was made on friday. many people have weighed in and now the news 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redistricting or gerrymandering. of all the things you could do and we just showed some of your level, this is what you're focused on right now. why and what are you doing? >> one of this things i really focused on when i was attorney general was protection of voting rights and i made the determination that i wanted to continue that work and wanted to look at that which was most pernicious. i determined it was the problem of gerrymandering. the packing of people into districts. the cracking of people from districts such that can dilute the power of the american people and you have politicians picking their voters instead of voters choosing their representatives. >> how you put it there, in the world of culture and comedy, trevor noah put it similarly. take a look. >> with gerrymandering, the politicians choose their voters. the voters don't choose them. it's weird. like getting to your uber and your driver is in the backseat and he's like start driving [ bleep ] late. >> that idea that this is backwards, have you been able to get that across to the public when there are so many other things people are concerned about? >> we've raised the consciousness of people about the importance of gerrymandering. we have a component called all on the line which is focused on mobilizing people at the grass roots level to care about this issue. we brought lawsuits we had won in state courts and the united states supreme court. >> when you talk about the different states, on the one hand, you're oning some of these. georgia, louisiana, new york, south carolina, florida. utah, kentucky. north carolina. it's a whole bunch of places where this is going on. is there any wider solution than the whack a mole? >> i think under the present system that we have, it's going to be incumbent upon us to continue to bring these lawsuits. we're in an era of perpetual redistricting. doesn't happen on just an every ten year basis. we're still in the process of doing what should be the 2021 redistricting so we bring lawsuits. we also are supporting candidates who are important in the redistricting process. and yeah, but there is a solution. that was the john lewis bill that was before the last congress that would have banned partisan and racial gerrymandering as a result of the filibuster however, it could not get past the senate. president biden said he would have signed it. couldn't get a sufficient number of people, including democrats, to have a carve out to the filibuster. >> do you need a mass people's movement to get to the level where there's a pressure t do a carve out? is that what you need? what's the alternative? >> the carve out would be the ultimate thing but we've got to continue to do this things we have done. that is to bring lawsuits. to support candidates who will stand for fairness. >> we talk to people at the summit and you are at the summit of law. only two summits. there's the supreme court and there's being the top attorney around law enforcement official of the united states federal government. that's what you were. but the big issues go back to the supreme court. so what do you see today in the summit of the supreme court? does it have a bigger problem? >> i think the court has a legitimacy problem both in the way it was constructed, the things senate republicans did to hold open a seat then to rush through the nomination of another justice. and also the way in which the court has ruled. you know, the law is governed by a number of things. precedent being maybe chief among them. this court has ignored precedent, overturned decisions, the roe decision being maybe the most prominent and taken away rights from the people of the united states, which is a first. we are always trying to come up with ways in which we identify and grant rights to american citizens. this court took a substantial right away from people of this, of people in this country. >> so that's a little bit of what you're doing now having been at the summit of american law. we also want to look at the other sides of you because that's all very serious and how many people know you. >> too many people think i'm a stiff. what strikes me is that i interact with people and they say you're pretty funny. i think i'm a pretty humorous guy. their only. >> sean: sense of me is what they saw at congressional hearings. there's a whole other dimension to me. >> let's get into it. here on the summit series, maybe dusk, but we're going to go late night and remind people there's this other holder. this is when you were hanging out on those shows. >> criticism of me? >> yes. i'm sure i'm 100% wrong. there were not -- >> i'm supposed to be your guest. >> that's why i was really nice to you up until now. >> there are these things called facts and then this other stuff. >> i got to write that down. facts. >> they still exist. >> okay. >> we found one peek of this in public that we wonder what it's really like in private which is you giving your boss, president obama, a hard time about what else, basketball. so we wondered what else happens when the cameras are off. >> from new york city. the home of basketball players like tiny archibald, kareem abdul-jabbar. president's from hawaii. now, i'm just saying that is background. he's a good ballplayer. he's still my boss. when i become a civilian, he will still have access to all things about me that you know, as a, that you're worried about that i will now be worried a bt. >> what's the hardest time you've given him when you guys are alone? prove you're not a stiff. >> probably about chicago sports opposed to new york sports. he's got this mistaken belief that michael jordan is the man. that the bulls were better than the knicks were. a whole range of chicago athletics. >> the president got a big boost from jay-z then paid it back. president obama helped induct him into the hall of fame. and this is about leadership but it's also about race. but it's in his words. do you know the song murder to excellence? jay-z says black excellence, opulence, decadence, tux is next to the president. success never smelled so sweet. i stink of success, the new black elite. they say my black card is -- my verse is like church, my jesus piece. now please domino domino only spot a few blacks the higher i go. what up to will, shout out to o, i think that could be obama or oprah. but then he says, quote, that ain't enough. we're going to need a million more kicking the door biggie flow i'm all dressed up with nowhere to go. i'm curious just your reflection on that artistic reading of you there being with some of the other people but is it not enough people in the room? >> i was the first this, the first that. i always wonder where are the other folks who look like me. and we need to focus on that. i mean, this is ultimately the thing that i think will put this nation in a better place. when we value diversity, when we value differences as opposed to using those implicit biases to look at somebody and to assume well, he or she doesn't really deserve to be in the room, they're here for some reason other than the abilities that they have. >> right. before i let you go, we got a lightning round. everybody does this. the worst thing about being attorney general is? >> irrational, stupid, idiotic, political opposition. >> best thing. >> working with the people. working with the policies. and having your own plane. >> what you'd say to someone who's young and looks at the system and says, i don't need to vote. >> people died so that you would have the ability to vote. >> bill barr. >> a disaster, an abomination, an embarrassment. >> merrick garland. >> a good guy, good attorney general. >> president obama. >> the man. >> president biden. >> good guy, good president. history is going to be kind to him, but he's got some really difficult things to do in the next few years. >> president trump. >> a real danger to our democracy. person who can't become president again. >> final three. 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