vossoughian. hi, everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing live here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. a luxury golf course, a multimillion dollar estate, a skyscraper bearing his name all part of donald trump's empire and all are now potentially at risk of falling into the hands of new york's attorney general, with the pressure mounting and the deadline to pay that multimillion dollar appeal bond just days away, what's trump going to do now? after vetoing multicease fire plans in the past, the u.s. puts forward its own proposal to stop the fighting in gaza. what are the chances this one's actually going to succeed? we're going to explain the critical details of how it could all work. and the apple iphone at the heart of a new heavy weight legal fight. why the justice department is setting its sights on one of the largest companies in the world. i want to start with that time running out for donald trump, who now has just four days to figure out how to cover that roughly half a billion dollar bond if he wants to appeal the fraud judgment against him and his co-defendants. nbc news has learned he's growing increasingly frustrated. no one seems willing to help him out. a source telling nbc news the trump team is gaming out their options including ways trump can appeal the ruling without having to put the bond up, and what would happen if they can't secure the required sum. that amount, approximately $550 million and increasing every single day, is fueling this speculation that trump may be forced to unload some of his prized properties to cover the tab. >> our argument in front of the appellate division is that forcing him to sell prized properties such as trump tower, iconic properties like 40 wall street to pursue his appeal is manifest of justice and it deprives him of that due process we are all entitled to. so imagine you can't reverse selling off trump tower on a fire sale at a discounted price. we can't fix that if we win on appeal, so it's complete injustice. >> and then we got this new reporting from bloomberg, may give us a clue as to what properties the new york attorney general may go after pointing out that she registered the judgment in westchester county. that would make it easier for her to seize trump assets there, which include his golf club and the 212 acre estate known as 7 springs. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake, barbara mcquade, university of michigan law professor and an msnbc legal analyst, and nbc investigations correspondent tom winter is also with me as well. garrett, if you will, talk about the options here for trump and his team and the frustration that we're hearing. >> yeah, this frustration and concern from trump and his inner circle appears to be only growing, certainly from the side of the candidate who continues to post periodically on his social media platform his innermost angry thoughts about the spot that he's in right now. where basically all of his options to come up with this money are bad. the idea of selling his properties at some kind of fire sale rate is certainly not something that appeals to him. declaring bankruptcy would come with a host of other problems. we know that he or those allied with him have talked to some major donors to try to see if they could put a group together who might guarantee his bond, perhaps that would work, and of course they've got that emergency filing that's still pending before an appeals court in new york that they hope might either get the amount of money he owes in this bond reduced or perhaps delayed altogether to just buy them more time. so a bunch of bad options. it's unclear if they're seriously considering the offer by the a.g., that perhaps some of these real estate properties could be held by the court in what amounts to an escrow while these -- while his appeals proceed. so a bunch of bad options and very little time left to solve them unless the appeals court decides to intervene. >> let's talk through some of these options and what could possibly come next here. first i kind of want you to react to the sound that we heard from alina habba. does she have a point here that let's say for instance, donald trump were to win his appeal and then look back on this kind of quote, unquote fire sale because he needed to meet his appeals bond. >> well, yeah, that could happen, and there's nothing that precludes him from appealing. this is just allowing the state of new york through the attorney general to seize what is at this moment rightfully theirs. they've won the judgment, and so there is a right to appeal, but until there's a reversal, the presumption is that the court got it right and that donald trump owes the state of new york 440 some million dollars, and so at some point they get to collect on that, so i think where we might land is this actually very generous proposal by the attorney general, which is rather than start seizing the things that she has a right to seize now on behalf of the people that the court could seize them and hold a security interest on some of these properties as a sort of escrow because the idea is if there's an appeal and as happens in something like 80% of the cases, the judgment is affirmed on appeal, the people of new york don't want to then go to collect and find out he sold them all off and all of the assets are gone. they have a right to secure their interests at this point. if he can't do it, then perhaps generously, the court could do it. >> so help us also kind of making this argument, barbara, that it's excessive, right? but the new york a.g. has said that this has happened many times in which people have secured upwards of $1 billion in appeals bonds. we have some examples of that that we can put up on this screen. is this excessive, this type of judgment to secure this much in an appeals bond? >> well, you know, it's a lot of money, it's because donald trump stole a lot of money, and that's why the number's so high. he's being disgorged from his ill-gotten gains. the biggest case i can remember involving this sort of situation was texaco in the 1980s that lost a $10 billion judgment. and they were required to put up a bond and they said we just don't have that kind of money. it's impossible. and so a federal court proceeding was used to intervene. that case went all the way to the supreme court, and the court held that these appeal bonds are appropriate. it's not a violation of due process to secure a debt that has now been adjudicated by a judge. >> what happens if he can't come up with this money by monday, barbara? >> i think then unless the judge comes up with some sort of escrow agreement as attorney general james has suggested, i think that she will begin putting attachments, liens, interests on these properties. that doesn't mean that she's going to sell them off at a fire sale, but she's going to put a security interest on them so that donald trump can't sell them off so that if and when the judgment is affirmed, she will be able to collect every penny she's entitled to. >> i can't remember what donald trump said about his own wealth under oath. he said he could pay a million dollars a day and still have money in the bank. he's also said this in a deposition talking about his net worth. >> i don't need the money. you probably see the cash. we have a lot of cash. i believe we have substantially in excess of 400 million cash, which is a lot for a developer. developers usually don't have cash. they have assets, not cash. but we have i believe 400 plus, and going up very substantially every month. >> and yet, garrett, he doesn't seem to have it. >> yeah, it appears that statement was untrue or at least is inaccurate as we stand here now. it's worth pointing out, even if he paid a million dollars for one year, that wouldn't cover the amount of money he owes. this also is a good reminder of how donald trump thinks about his wealth. he has said in other formats, in books, in interviews that he thinks much of his net worth, his value is tied up in his brand and that it's conceptual. it can rise and fall based on how the brand is doing on any given day. i don't know that that holds up in a court of law, and i don't think you can put your brand up as surety for a bond, but i think that gives you kind of a -- maybe a little bit of insight into the way he thinks about this. the bottom line, whatever else he said in that deposition, his attorneys have attested in a filing to the court in new york that that money does not exist in any way that he could use it to pay this bond. >> is it at all required for donald trump to report how much he does have in cash for the court to understand the position that he is in, or is that not required? >> at this point, it's not. you know, sometimes a judge will order a creditor's exam to find out where their assets are located, but donald trump really has every incentive in the world right now to come up with this money, so i don't know that we'll go down that path. i think if there's any way he can shake it loose, he will. i think he's trying every stall tactic in the book, but i think by monday the mere fact that he has to put up this sort of bond is an incentive enough for him to find the money if he can. >> tom, i want to turn to you, i want to talk about hush money, right? the trial was supposed to start on monday. it is not starting on monday. >> that's correct. >> instead there is going to be a hearing on monday over these pages, thousands of pages of discovery, thousands of pages of discovery that were handed over to trump's attorneys. what are we learning about that? >> right, so it's over 170,000 pages of discovery and it all centers on one key figure here, prosecutors will say their documents are the star witness, others have said michael cohen is the star witness. as it pertains to michael cohen, this has to do with the federal investigation into michael cohen and campaign finance violations, campaign finance violations he pleaded guilty to in connection with those hush money payments. what happened is approximately a year ago from january through march of last year, the manhattan d.a.'s office said hey, we have discovery requirements. we have to give donald trump's attorneys a whole slew of documents, including documents, u.s. attorney's office, which you may have that may be helpful to the defense. that's something we have to do. they requested a number of different things. subsequently, donald trump's attorneys in january of this year asked for is and received a subpoena for more information from the u.s. attorney's office. as a result of that subpoena, a ton more documents were handed over, 170,000 plus pages. folks last week had a lot of questions, why is the southern district of new york, the prosecutors why are they handing this over now? the manhattan d.a.'s office said they requested this information. more details in the filing. according to the d.a.'s office, they say 270 pages of this 170,000 are actually material and relevant to the case, and of those 270 -- >> but just 270. >> just 270 they say, and of those 270, 172 pages have to deal with fbi 302 form reports. those are the notes that fbi agents make after they interview somebody that it's those notes pertaining to the special counsel's investigation into russian interference, not the campaign finance violations that southern district turned over. they had previously asked for those. they're accurate in that, but at the time they asked for it, the southern district didn't have those documents. it wasn't until they god involved in a foia issue going between departments that the southern district had it. they turned those over. in addition there were five iphones, copies, images they call them of michael cohen's phones. the u.s. attorney's office said, look, you want us to comb through five phones of information to find something that's relevant to the d.a.'s case. they said, wait, you guys have the phones anyway, we're not going to respond to it. they said, look, given the nature of this case, yes, we have five images of michael cohen's phones tied to the federal investigation, so the federal prosecutors from the southern district of new york said, look, we'll turn those over. obviously that's another significant component of these documents as well as bank records, if you look at the subpoena from trump, trump's attorneys. bank records, it's been a long time since i've printed out my bank records. most of us look at them online. remember how long those used to be, and when you consider the amount of bank accounts and banks that michael cohen did business with, obviously those would be voluminous. so that's where we are today. we'll wait and see what trump's side says. this is the central and core issue. who asked for what and when, what was produced and when that we're going to talk about on monday. i won't be able to tell you, though, what both sides are saying about this likely on monday because of a rule the judge imposed, none of the press organizations are allowed to see filings until 48 hours afterwards, give both sides a chance to redact. we're flying a little bit blind potentially into that hearing on monday. >> i'll be outside the courtroom wondering what's going on. >> barbara, is this going to further delay this case at this point? we were looking at a possible trial date start now of mid-april? >> yeah, i don't know. as tom said, there's a lot of material here that is not really pertinent to this case, and so i think if the prosecutor had come to this with unclean hands, that they had been stalling or dragging their feet in some way, that might be a reason, or if there's a genuine need for more time to review the material, that might be a basis for more time. so practically, i think the answer is no. sometimes when a defendant kicks and screams enough, a judge will out of an abundance of caution and avoiding any issue or reversal on appeal will give additional time. they've already given 30 days in this instance, so i guess i can't say i know for sure, but i don't think so. >> we will see, barbara mcquade, you're going to stick with me. thank you. tom winter, garrett haake, thank you as well. coming up, everybody, u.s. now calling for an immediate cease fire in gaza as political tensions between washington and israel reach a new boiling point. that's all in just 60 seconds. that's all in just 60 seconds. this is our future, ma. godaddy airo. creates a logo, website, even social posts... in minutes! -how? -a.i. 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it could be put up for a vote. >> it could actually be put up for a vote very quickly, i believe in 24 hours. it's now so-called in blue, so it is ready to go, maybe even sooner. the biggest difference is they even made some last minute changes. it now calls for an immediate and sustained cease fire, and that is a longer cease fire and the language is a little bit modified so that the hostage release is no longer in coordination with continuing talks for the hostage release, so it doesn't have to be preceded by the hostage release, it's the cease fire in order to get aid in. it's because of the starvation, this u.n. report that starvation is now rampant or, you know, huge proportions of the population there, children are starving, and it's at a critical stage. the u.s. by the way, does believe that israel has been blocking sustained delivery, truckloads of delivery that could go in in land roots that these parachute drops, the air drops, as well as the ship deliveries to a temporary port are not even a drop in the bucket really to what is really needed, which is hundreds, hundreds of truckloads, so that is the real problem. it is increasing pressure, yes, on both parties, but more on israel now because this is the first time that it is a sustained cease fire, meaning not just a pause, and they also objected to the cease fire language because that was becoming merged in people's identification with the permanent cease fire that the rest of the world was calling for in those previous resolutions. one other quick thing, now it is confirmed by both israel and the u.s. that all the parties are going tomorrow to doha to continue these hostage negotiations and cease fire negotiations at the top level, they've been at the technical level, the leaders of the spy agencies are now already on their way to get to doha. >> and previously they had been calling for a temporary cease fire, certainly that terminology quite different asking for a sustained cease fire. andrea mitchell for us, thank you, andrea, appreciate it. then we go to capitol hill, house speaker mike johnson saying he plans to invite bibi netanyahu to address congress. speaking on our sister network, cnbc, johnson blasted senator majority leader chuck schumer's senate floor speech on israel and netanyahu in which he called for new elections. >> what chuck schumer did was just almost staggering, just unbelievable, to suggest to our strongest ally in the middle east, the only stable democracy that he knows better how to run their democracy is patently absurd. imagine if i came on your show and called for a regime change in ukraine in the middle of a crisis fighting for their survival. that's what israel is facing right now, and for the leader of the senate to say such a thing was just outrageous. >> i want to bring in nbc's ryan nobles reporting from capitol hill, also with us peter baker an msnbc political analyst. ryan, start things off for us. i know netanyahu privately spoke with senate republicans. we understand he reached out to leader schumer as well and in fact he rejected a similar proposal in speaking with democrats. walk us through this partisan divide getting even larger over israel. >> reporter: just to explain what's happening with the leader schumer aspect of all this. the stance that chuck schumer has is he's not opposed to bibi netanyahu addressing congress, but he wants it happening in a bipartisan way. not these individual briefings for republicans and then individual briefings for democrats. it's not clear whether or not that means he would be in favor of a joint session of congress which is something the house speaker is proposing. at the very least, it does seem there is somewhat of an openness by chuck schumer to do that. he said in a statement, israel has no stronger ally than the united states and our relationship transcends any one president or any one prime minister. i will always welcome the opportunity for the prime minister of israel to speak to congress in a bipartisan way. but what we are seeing, you know, in the wake of this very kind of explosive speech that chuck schumer gave on the floor of the united states senate where he called for elections in israel, which is a very kind of bold move for a sitting senate majority leader. we're seeing republicans rally around bibi netanyahu and suggest that that was inappropriate. it comes at a time where future funding for israel is certainly in the balance, that hasn't been voted on. a supplemental package hasn't been voted on in congress, and of course there's the white house end of it all concerned about the level of aggression israel has towards gaza at this stage of the conflict. there's a lot up in the air right now as it relates to the future of u.s. support for israel during this period of time and this interface with netanyahu was a big part of that. >> peter, is there any possibility as we talk about what chuck schumer asked for that the president would get behind a call for new elections in israel? what is the thinking inside the white house right now, especially considering that the prime minister has not gotten an invitation yet to the white house as normally israeli leaders do? >> yeah, i mean, look, the white house is saying that they're not going to take a position on whether there should be new elections or not. it's not for them to do that. at the same time, they're not really distancing themselves from senator schumer's speech. the president said it was a good speech. he said it raised a lot of concerns a lot of americans have. so that general embrace was enough, of course, to, you know, create kind of a furor in israel where it's seen as senator schumer, leader schumer, in effect, speaking to some extent or president biden. now, he doesn't believe -- the president doesn't believe he should be calling for a new election, but there's no question that he's frustrated by prime minister netanyahu. i think part of the issue is it's not just prime minister netanyahu, and there's a consensus in the israeli political establishment that crosses ideological lines that favors a continued military operation in gaza until hamas is either destroyed or at least certainly more thoroughly, you know, damaged, and that's not just prime minister netanyahu. while it's personalized and obviously netanyahu is a radioactive figure, especially democrats in the united states, the challenge for president biden is a little more significant than that. >> how is the structure of the diplomacy of israel, peter, changing now between the white house? because we know that the president has kind of gone with this more bear hug diplomatic approach when it has come to israel up until this moment. we're also looking at this u.n. resolution in which the verbiage has changed. they're using now sustained cease fire versus temporary cease fire, which is very significant to know. >> yeah, that's right. the president as you rightly say, started off with a bear hug, and now i think it's becoming much more of a scratchy situation between the two of them, right? that he has been more vocal in recent weeks about his displeasure about how israel is handling the operation, how it's handling aid into gaza. he's not willing to do the things that some democrats on the left want him to do, which is to say either condition or cut off arms supplies to israel, for instance, or take even more further, you know, action in terms of international condemnation. now, this language that you're hearing about today suggests, a further step toward, you know, a more vocal, a more, you know, assertive position by the president, but i think if you look inside his administration, he is the one person who is standing by israel the most, even as his own staff and his own advisers are nervous and would rather they be a little bit tougher about how israel is handling these things. i'm not sure whether or not israel or prime minister netanyahu realizes quite how much president biden has been the one person holding back, you know, a much tougher stance against his government at this point, and i think that's -- you know, they had a conversation the other day, the two of them, the first one i think in a month, but there's a lot of obviously friction there. >> peter baker, thank you. ryan nobles, thank you as well. for the first time in 44 days, russia fired a barrage of missiles at kyiv, the capital of ukraine. ukrainian officials say their air defenses intercepted ballistic and cruise missiles but 13 people were injured by fallen debris. it is the latest including an attack on a kharkiv yesterday that killed five people and a strike on odesa last week that killed 21. still to come, the feds taking a big bite out of apple. the details of the new antitrust lawsuit accusing the company of monopolizing the smartphone industry, we're live with the doj after this, you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back. ing msnbc. we'll be right back. 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>> yeah, well, of course the evidence will matter, but as attorney general -- deputy attorney general lisa monaco said, it doesn't matter how popular a company is, if they violate antitrust laws we will go after them. i think there are some things we can see with our own eyes that apple that is doing that is anticompetitive. the phrase is they're acting in exclusionary behavior. because you have to use certain apple products with an iphone, then it will encourage people to buy only apple products and not other products, and so, for example, have you ever been in part of a group text where somebody who's on -- uses some other kind of phone can't do instant messaging and be part of that group. you can't name the group. the text comes in as green and not blue. >> maybe this is naive of me, barbara to ask, okay, and that's fair if it is, but why would apple create a product to accommodate other smartphones, to accommodate other technology when they're about building profits for themselves? >> because that's anticompetitive behavior that violates the law. one of the provisions is something that's known as illegal tieing agreements. in order to buy one product, you must also buy several other products, and the reason for that is it stifles innovation. you may have all kinds of companies out there who would be inclined to create apps and other things that could become smart phones, but if they can't enter the market because apple has a monopoly and they're not going to use it on an iphone anyway, they don't try. the end result is the products are less good for the public and they cost more. >> we know apple's going to fight this thing tooth and nail, barbara. let's say they lose. at what point will the consumer see the results of that? at what point do you no longer have to stand in line and pay over a thousand dollars for a new apple iphone. >> it depends on how the judgment is executed. this reminds me of the microsoft case decided in the early 2000s where microsoft was doing something similar. you had to buy its software to work on its hardware. so ultimately there's a suggestion that you could bust up apple. what seems more likely is they will have to allow other products to be used on its platforms. it probably won't happen overnight, but a judgment could be that they have to work toward these sort of innovations, and sometimes it involves hiring of a corporate monitor to be on premise to make sure that they are moving toward a resolution and complying with whatever order comes as a result of the litigation. >> we have about 30 seconds left, but what can you kind of tell me, barbara, this you're seeing with this new landscape of lawsuits going after these major tech companies now, right? apple, we've got amazon, we've got google as well. what is that telling you? >> i think it's that the justice department is committed to ensuring competition. one of the concerns with big tech companies as it used to be with big oil companies or other things is if you become a belee moth, you can own the whole space and have outsized power that can gouge consumers. this is an effort, it's a very pro-consumer philosophy, i think, that this justice department is engaging in. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. ken dilanian, thank you as well. coming up, everybody, house republicans are offering up a preview of their priority should they win big in november, a plan with major implications for millions of americans nearing retirement age. we're going to explain from the hill after this. the hill after this. 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>> reporter: yasmin, first and foremost, i want to point out that these budget proposals are almost always political documents rather than actually policy reality, and in this document that was unveiled by the republican study committee, which you pointed out 170 house members are a part of, including speaker johnson and top members of his leadership team, does outline bold visions for the future. they held a press conference this morning touting that a lot of these policies come under the foundation of former president trump. you see them there on your screen. in terms of the first two issues of social security and medicare, this is a problem because it will become insolvent in the next ten years that both sides, republicans and democrats haven't figured out how to address. the republican study committee is very careful to say this will not affect seniors near retirement or in retirement now, mainly because of that viral moment that president biden had at the state of the union last year when one republican suggested sun setting the provisions entirely. also, this proposal includes a vision for reproductive rights restrictions, the life at conception act is a proposal that they will champion. this will largely impose restrictions on abortion and could also jeopardize the future of ivf. i want you to take a listen to an exchange that happened first from the republican study committee chairman, kevin hern, and on the other side you'll hear from leader schumer. >> i think what you're hearing the president say, president trump say is exactly what we've been saying. we're not going to do anything to harm anybody that's near retirement or in retirement. when the president looks at this and his team, they understand that we've got to look at something to preserve this because otherwise we could do what joe biden is doing, which is nothing. >> the republican study committee's fiscal year '25 budget plan reads like a wish list for donald trump and the maga hard right. the republican study committee planned is cruel. it is fringe, way out of line with what most americans want, but unfortunately it's what the house republicans envision for our country. >> reporter: in fairness, president biden had said that to tackle the social security and medicare issue, he would just tax upper income earners more. that is something soundly rejected by republicans. we did get fresh reactionfrom the president this morning saying the republican study committee budget shows what republicans value. this extreme budget will cut medicare, social security, and the affordable care act, something republicans oppose and say that is not try. biden continues to say it endorses a national abortion ban, and it will shower giveaways on the wealthy and biggest corporations. let me be clear, i will stop them. certainly a glimpse into what we could see coming up in the november election, a critical election between president biden and former president trump. >> thank you, julie, appreciate it. want to get to a story involving a domestic delta airlines flight forced to turn around. a 26-year-old man was arrested after flight attendants discovered him hiding in the plane's bathroom moments before takeoff. the individual was able to board the flight after taking a picture of another passenger's boarding pass at the airport. when that passenger was not looking, something which was caught on surveillance footage. he faces a felony charge of being a stowaway. delta airlines says it is cooperating with the investigation. coming up, brand new primary exit poll data could spell trouble for donald trump come november. we're going to explain that next. and then in the next hour, a massive manhunt now underway for a dangerous idaho inmate and his alleged accomplice. the shocking details of their escape ahead. you're watching msnbc. you need verizon. get the new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. so you can take all the pics! 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>> absolutely. and we've already seen that on the part of the biden campaign. one of the first things joe biden did after super tuesday was welcome nikki haley voters over to them, whereas the donald trump campaign, well, trump himself, i'm sure his campaign operatives don't like this part because you need to expand your voter universe, not contract it, but donald trump has been hell bent on telling these people we don't want you in the maga republican party. they recognize, republican strategists recognize that this is a gettable, a large enough gettable group of voters that republicans need to be concerned about going into november with not only donald trump at the top of the ticket but down ballot as well this these biden districts where republicans are vulnerable in november. absolutely. these are the people that are uncomfortable with the direction the republican party is going, uncomfortable with donald trump's rhetoric, and some of the things he's planning to do if he were to be reelected, project 2025 and dictator on day one things, it makes people uncomfortable. you have millions of women who feel their rights are under assault by the republican party with their extremist views on abortion, now ivf and women's health care. absolutely these voters, 20% now, based on a lot of exit polls will be the difference in the elections in the five or six states that make the difference in november. >> i'm going to dig into the exit polling when it comes to abortion rights as well, but i want to kind of get your reaction to the split and kind of talking about what tara talked about which is this idea of defending democracy. is that really what president biden needs to focus in on when he's looking at these in particular voters? >> well, yes, absolutely because those voters, what attracted them to nikki haley were the more traditional republican stances she espoused, a strong muscular foreign policy, the u.s. leading the way on the world stage in terms of democracy, support for ukraine against russia's aggression as well. and so those voters are looking for that more traditional message that biden also espouses as well. to tara's point, that's about a 20 to 25% swath of the republican party according to strategists and to the point that you made earlier, in an election where both candidates have really high disapproval ratings, that's not insignificant for donald trump. >> i want to talk about abortion here. the polling here is significant, right, when you're asking about whether or not they support or oppose a federal law banning most or all abortions nationwide, 44% are in favor. 48% oppose it. of those 48%, tara, and this is something that you pointed out quite well, only 20% voted for donald trump, right? we have seen every single time abortion is on the ballot, abortion rights wins out. abortion was one of the number one issues in the midterm races. what do you take away from this and what democrats need to seize on here when it comes to abortion rights come november. >> yeah, i mean, it's obviously if you look at places like ruby residence red kansas, even ohio. some of the dynamics in the ohio senate race will be interesting. and what ohio did on their ballot, what initiative last summer. in support of protecting women's abortion rights, so this is something that republicans are scared to death of. they know that it's political kryptonite for them politically and when you garner women who are looking at their rights being set back 50, 60 years, that is a force to be reckoned with. and republicans are not doing themselves any favors by fielding some of these candidates who are against women's reproductive freedom. the democrats need to frame this as a freedom issue. take that away from republicans. that used to be what republicans talked about, that they didn't want the government coming in and telling you what to do. well, the same thing should apply to women and their health care and their rights and bodily autonomy. you know, the idea that young women and little girls are going to have less righting-- rights than their grandparents doesn't sit well. this is a salient issue. it's not just about abortion specifically, it's about the bigger issue of women's rights and trying to disempower them by republicans. >> tara setmayer, thank you, and katy tur picks it up right after this. up right after this 's my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. it wasn't always this calm uc went everywhere i did. wondering when it would pop up next was stressful doing a number on my insides. but then i found out about velsipity a new once-daily pill, not a steroid or biologic, for adults with moderate to severe uc. velsipity can help calm the chaos of uc — it quickly treats flares providing a chance for lasting steroid-free remission. don't take velsipity if you've had a heart attack, chest pain, stroke or ministroke, heart failure in the last 6 months, irregular or abnormal heartbeat. velsipity may cause serious side effects including infections that can be fatal, slow heart rate, liver problems, increased blood pressure, macular edema, certain types of skin cancer, swelling and narrowing of the brain's blood vessels or shortness of breath. tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to be. if conventional therapy like 5-asas or steroids aren't working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about velsipity. velsipity. help calm the chaos of uc. i have moderate to severe crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis, help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley. 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