Needed for his almost half A Billion Dollar civil fraud bond, despite approaching 30 companies asking for help. They have all said no. The deadline to post the bond is next week, if he fails too, Letitia James can seize his assets, unless a judge steps in. Joining us now, vaughn hillyard, and brooklyn prosecutor here in new york and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. Vaughn, this money stuff, you and i have been talking about it. Clearly its a major problem. Bring us up to speed. Right. This is an issue here. Well, youre looking at him campaigns in ohio over the weekend. Of course the state of arizona continues to be a focus point for their political operation. Donald trump and his family and the Family Business is wholly focused on the fact that they have got to somehow come up over the next seven days with 450 million. Even whether it be in cash or whether it be in the form of an appeal bond, but what this motion here from Donald Trumps lawyer this morning, to the Appellate Court in new york seeks to do is put a stay on him having to execute on paying and putting forward that appeal bond for the damages. The difficult reality is that donald trump is having to come to terms with the fact that they have gone to surety bond companies, seeking help, and according to Donald Trumps lawyer, none of them have been able to come through. Coming up with a 93 million bond is tough enough with the e. Jean carroll damages suit. This is a whole other level, youre getting to the conversation of selling a stake in the Trump Organization or finding somebody to invest and put up the cash on behalf of donald trump. As trumps attorneys suggested, theres nobody in the United States of america that has 500 million in equity, cash, laying on their Kitchen Table ready to turn over and put forward to help out donald trump. And so this is a difficult reality at a time where his campaign is allowed to focus on the political. For him, hes focused on the future of not only his Family Company but finances. Not to mention, what National Security analysts and those in the Intelligence Community would say is a potentially dangerous thing to post bond for donald trump as hes running for president. Vaughn. Exactly. I mean, youre coming down to questions of whether he seeks to have support from somebody overseas, a foreign entity. Theres a lot of Question Marks that trumps campaign, his legal team have not provided clear insight to, and, so i mean, when youre coming down to the fact that on monday, Letitia James will begin going through the courts to seize his assets, youre talking about within seven days, donald trump losing Major Properties in manhattan. Theres a lot at stake. En they are doing Everything Possible to come up with a bond or cash for donald trump and his company, this is a matter of whatever it takes at this point. In order to get this bond, what these companies, the trump team says the companies are asking for is cash from donald trump or securities. They dont want real estate. Why might they not want real estate . Part of the reason for that, when youre talking about eal estate, you dont know what the mortgage is on those properties, so creating a Valuation System thats going to allow them to properly assess what the properties are worth is complicated and a complex process. They want stuff that they know is very marketable and immediately something they can liquidate if they need to. Ultimately, donald trump needing to find more or less half A Billion Dollars, if not closer to A Billion Dollars in order to satisfy this bond so that he can move forward with his appeal, and that doesnt look like its going to happen. So unless this judge decides to step in and somehow lower the bond, which would be pretty much outside of the guidelines in new york state, or do Something Else like grant them an additional stay to get the time, Letitia James is going to move forward in seizing his assets. These Surety Companies are not taking Real Property in lieu of actual hard cash. Tell me whats going on. He has to go to judge engoron directly. Judge engoron has been hard line on donald trump, really not budging a lot. Hes the one who initially or the one who set this judgment against trump. Hes the one whos asking for the bond. Whats the likelihood that he might wiggle . Not very likely, and i think if you recall, katy, we talked a little while ago about the genius and brilliance of judge engoron when he allowed donald trump to testify or go off the rails. What i mean when i talk about that is at this point, donald trump has literally made his bed and now has to lie in it. He did that by his own making and doing in court, literally out of his own mouth. I think that the trouble he walked himself into throughout the course of the trial is coming back to bite him. He is not able to make my sort of persuasive argument in front of the judge that issued this judgment and put it in a court order to go back on what he ultimately decided. I dont see it as being likely. Youre talking about a judge whos obviously extremely familiar with the facts, was literally there for everyof the trial and is the person who made the finding and the decision. He has no incentive to change his mind from what it is, he already decided given that when he decided it the first time, he had the information he has now, and theres nothing new that has come to pass that will make him change his mind. Donald trump was on camera in one of his depositions last year, saying that he had 400 million in cash on hand. It does definitely cut against that claim that he made only last year. This is the trump campaigns responses from steven chung. This is a motion to stay the unjust, unconstitutional, unamerican judgment from new york judge engoron in a political witch hunt brought by a corrupt attorney general. A bond of this size would be an abuse of the law, contradict bedrock principles of our republic, and fundamentally undermine the rule of law in new york. President trump will continue fighting and beating all of these crooked blah blah blah, et cetera, et cetera, i should say. If james comes out and tries to seize assets, charles, how does that work . Its a long process. It basically is essentially what would happen if you were trying to collect something from another individual and so theres going to be an assessment of his actual properties, of their values and basically trying to put on them, at a minimum to prevent them from doing anything with them. Its going to be a difficult process. Were obviously focusing on his Real Property assets that he has, but any sort of liquid, Letitia James will be looking to take advantage of. There will be an assessment of priority around the assets that he has and looking to seize them, visavis, Court Enforcement and ultimately the Sheriffs Office in the state of new york. This is a really big deal, and again, chubb was the one who came to his aid for the e. Jean carroll judgment it was about 100 million. We will see what happens with this, seven days to go before he has to post the bond. Charles, thank you very much, vaughn, dont go anywhere. Donald trumps comments over the weekend, it has been his gotwo campaign pitch. Elect me and i will protect you, the american voter, the American Public, from the flood of dangerous immigrants coming over the southern border. Migrants he calls rapists and criminals, terrorists and killers, and now less than human. I would do the same thing if i had prisons that were teaming with ms13 and all sort of people that theyve got to take care of for the next 50 years. Young people, theyre in jails, if you call them people. I dont know if you call them people. In some cases, theyre not people, in my opinion. These are animals. That was trump at a Campaign Speech in ohio over the weekend, three months after he repeated language used by hitler and mussolini to dehumanize jews 100 years ago. Theyre poisoning the country. Mental institutions and prisons all over the world. Not just south america, not just the three or four countries we think about. All over the world theyre coming to our country from africa, from asia, all over the world, theyre pouring into our country. When you talk about Illegal Migrants and its a huge crisis at the border, and after three years, obviously the democrats bear the primary responsibility, why do you use words like vermin and poisoning of the blood. The press reacts to say thats the language that hitler and mussolini used. I didnt know that, but thats what they say, because our country is being poisoned. That was how he asked why he uses that language. Why he gets cheered for. Donald trump has been using this language since 2015 when he came down the escalators and called some immigrants rapists and some are good people, as he said. Initially, the feeling was obviously this was going to be unacceptable to the American Public. No way this guy can get elected if hes saying these sorts of things. He did get elected. Hes more extreme in the rhetoric, parroting things that hitler and mussolini said. If you get called out on that, hitler used that language, gosh, i dont want to use that language anymore. He doesnt do that. Why . Reporter he has used it since the first rally in july of 2015, in phoenix, that you and i were at. He was there with families of individuals who had been killed by undocumented immigrants. Donald trump recognizes that polling data has consistently shown that immigration is a hot bed issue on the minds of voters, from both political voters across the country. Donald trump has taken a tact that is a hard line approach. He has called for the states, including texas and arizona, to be able to use their own Law Enforcement, local Law Enforcement, to crack down on illegal immigration, and arrest undocumented immigrants. He has suggested that he would institute the largest deportation program, deporting millions of undocumented immigrants. The largest since dwight d. Eisenhower, referring this weekend to migrants as animal, not even people. Theres a different political reality to this as well, the great share of the American Population will understand that the Migrant Crisis has put a strain on resources in cities around the country. At the same time, communities in Maricopa County understand how fundamental the Immigrant Community has been to the functioning of these communities, here in phoenix and atlanta. For donald trump he has made a calculation over the last nine years that he is going to use immigration and the fear of, you know, if you go back to 2018 and the week before the election, he was talking about the migrants that were coming across the border. Of course in multiple states, including here in arizona, the senate candidate, martha mcsally, she lost her race as she tried to echo fears. This is a difficult conversation. Donald trump has chosen to use Dehumanizing Verbiage to describe migrants, the great many who are coming here to seek frankly a better life. I understand. Im not talking about policies so much. There are a lot of americans out there who want there to be much stricter immigration rules, democrats as well. There was that compromise in the senate on the border, even probably more conservative that democratic compromise that was sent to the house, didnt go anywhere. Wasnt even sent to the house. Didnt even go anywhere in the senate because former President Trump didnt want it. Its the language that im curious about. And i can put up on the screen language that he used reportedly in private back when he was in the white house talking about migrants from shole countries as he had said or haiti immigrants having aids. He said some really extreme and dehumanizing things about immigrants. You might want a stricter policy. Why does he get cheered for that sort of language . Reporter because thats the sort of language that people invoke themselves. There are folks that make the case that somehow the undocumented immigrant population has had a negative Economic Impact on them. Theres a great number of people who dont like to hear spanish being spoken in their communities, and donald trump looked at folks like joe arpaio who reigned for decades as the Maricopa County sheriff. He had crime suppression sweeps. What they were were his Law Enforcement agents that would go and pull people over for a broken light or that were working at the local laundromat and were undocumented. He would arrest them, separate them from families, and he consistently won election over and over again. Those are the folks that donald trump saw, and frankly theres a great share of the American Population, including here in arizona that wants that type of a republican, that type of leader when they talk about immigration and the hard line stances. Vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. Were going to talk about this more but were going to break. Mike pence says he cant in good faith support donald trump. What donald trump said over the weekend, not about migrants but Something Else that sent pence over the edge. Plus, what does the Supreme Court think about free speech in the internet age. What the justices asked this morning in what will be a significant ruling. And later, biden and bibi are talking again. What they said today on the phone, and what will change in gaza. Were back in 60 seconds. Wanna know a secret . More than just my armpits stink. Thats why i use secret whole body deodorant. Everywhere were all human, its okay to smell like one. sniffs i smell very human right now. Which is totally normal. Girl preach. But if it bothers you, 4 5 gynecologists would recommend whole body deodorant. Which gives you 72 hour odor protection. From your pits to your bits. So you can use it on your. spraying secret whole body deodorant. What happened to those people, come to think of it. Theyre not in jail with the j6. I dont call them prisoners. Theyre hostages. I think its unfortunate at a time that there are american hostages being held in gaza that the president or any other leaders would refer to people that are moving through Justice System as hostages, and its just unacceptable. We showed you a clip of donald trump calling the january 6th hostages in december, he said it again over the weekend, and that was what pence was reacting to in that interview he just did with cbs. He says he will not endorse his former running mate. He cant in good conscience help him get elected again. Joining us Meet The Press political analyst, marc short. Congratulations on the new position with Meet The Press. We appreciate you coming on today. Explain Vice President pences thinking here, and why hes saying it now. Actually, i think hes been saying it. If you go back to the opening speech he gave when he announced his candidacy for president , he laid out clearly his concerns about President Trumps fidelity of the constitution and the lack thereof and the disagreement it created between the two of them. He went on to say, i feel that donald trump is walking away from much of our conservative agenda, whether or not that is his reluctance to, again, embrace the value of life and to condemn pro lifers for the loss in the 2022 midterm elections or walk away from our International Commitments where our administration, i think, was very successful in providing javelin missiles to ukraine, and now its actually the Biden Administration that is standing up to russian aggression, and i think theres a series of issues from avoiding and addressing Entitlement Spending to frankly trade issues. I think theres still a lot of concern about the fact that actually donald trump is walking away from the record of the four years that gave him concern. But then the second point you made regarding the comments from the rally about the hostages, the reality is that, you know, as someone who was evacuated on that day on january 6th, i recall that the president s first remarks were that that must be antifa because he was ashamed of the way they were assaulting police and ransacking the capitol, and yet today refers to them somehow as patriots or hostages. I dont think it takes much to remember because of how embarrassing that situation was, he frankly assumed or tried to pretend they were antifa. You were with the Vice President , you know the chants being made against the Vice President that day, the threats to his life. He clearly feels very strongly about this particular moment that what happened that day and Donald Trumps embrace of trying to make them into patriots, as you said, should we expect to see Vi