now. thank you for joining us. i'm ana cabrera in for chris jansing. disciplined but not disqualified. a judge issuing a highly anticipated decision over misconduct allegations against fani willis. she can remain on the election interference case against former president trump, but under one major condition. we'll break it all down. plus donald trump is on the offensive. his legal team vowing to fight to end the georgia case, how his campaign plans to use his court dates for political gain. and the big question hanging over it all is when will the trials actually take place. the one we thought was set to begin here in manhattan could now be delayed. and this as special counsel jack smith battles to keep his two federal cases on track. this hour we have a team of corespondents and legal experts set to explain where the time line stands for each of these trials. but let's begin with the breaking news out of georgia, judge scott mcafee ruling that fani willis should not be disqualified from prosecuting the election interference case against former president trump and his 15 remaining co-defendants. but there is one major condition. willis, or the special prosecutor she had a relationship with, nathan wade, must step down from the case. in his ruling the judge writes there are reasonable questions about whether willis and wade testified truthfully at last month's evidentiary hearing. and he says those questions further underpin the finding of an appearance of impropriety and the need to make proportional al efforts to cure it. but the judge made clear in his ruling that the evidence demonstrated that the financial gain flowing from willis' relationship with wade was not a motivating factor on the part of the district attorney to indict and prosecute this case. today's ruling comes days after some of the charges against trump and his co-defendants were dismissed. lots to discuss with katie phang who is following this closely and also christy greenburg and lisa rubin. katie, what else can you tell us about the reaction from those directly impacted? >> sure. so what is notable about this ruling from judge mcafee is the absence of a deadline. meaning he did not tell fani willis as the fulton county district attorney you have to make your decision by a date certain. so we don't really know when and how fani willis will decide. we did even radio out to her office for comment, have not heard back. but to your second question about what has been the response, well, there has been two comments that we've received, one from the lawyer for trump that was particularly strong about the disappointment that they had in this ruling and they will chase down any and all available remedies on appeal for his client donald trump. but ashley merchant responded to us, and she is the lawyer representing michael roman, a known gop off difference, ashley merchant filed the original motion to disqualify and dismiss. and she said while we believe the court should have disqualified willis' office entirely, this opinion is a vindication that everything put forth by the defense was true, accurate and relevant to the issues surrounding the trial. and the judge clearly agreed it was a result of her poor judgment and there is a risk to the future of this case. while we do not agree that the courts suggested cure is inadequate, we look forward to the district attorney's response to the demands by the court. we'll continue to fight for our client. now, ashley merchant making this statement in response the judge's ruling you but clearly noticing that there is now in front of fani willis a choice, to either step aside with the entirety of her office or allow nathan wade to withdraw. and there is a possibility that fani willis herself could step away from the prosecution of this case. that move actually would not disqualify or remove her entire office. somebody else including the two special prosecutors that have already been appointed in this case, they could continue on that prosecution team. so i would make note that is a possibility, but of course as you all know, this has been a very long investigation. it was a very long time to get the indictment in this case. and so we not only want to see a trial date to see if it is before november or what will be the next steps and who will be at the helm. >> so christy, katie did a great job of laying out the choice here. is it an obvious choice? >> i think fani willis will ask nathan wade to step down, but i don't think that it will end the inquiry. it may end it for judge mcafee, but the judge has very strong language here about how fani willis handled this, saying she had tremendous lapses in judgment and he questions whether she in addition to nathan wade were truthful on the stand. and he all but invites and he lists a number of different entities, the general assembly, the georgia state either things commission, georgia state bar association, the fulton county board of commissioners and voters of fulton county and says these unanswered questions about whether or not she testified truthfully can be taken up by the other entities. so this is not over. whether or not we see nathan wade resign, this is not over for fani willis. she will likely have to answer to a number of other commissions. and there is a commission recently created by legislation in georgia to be able to discipline and remove district attorneys in georgia. and it seems like that legislation was motivated by wanting to get rid of fani willis. and now they have an opinion which says that there are questions about her credibility and that it was legally improper for her to make these comments about criticisms of her decision to hire nathan wade and whether or not that was playing the race card. he says here that was legally improper and that there could be a gag order on the district attorney as a result of that. so again, it is a choice she has to make. i think she will stay on, but it is not over for her. >> do you think the judge made the right decision? >> i think the judge felt that he had to look not just at whether there was an actual conflict of interest. he interpreted the law as saying he had to also look at an appearance of impropriety. and he said look, i can't really say whether either side was telling the truth about when this relationship started. it started about looking at just financial -- you know, whether or not there was a financial benefit. and then it morphed into wait a minute, are they really telling truth on the stand. there were questions about whether nathan wade lied. he said things in his divorce papers. he omitted information that was clearly responsive about when he was in a relationship with fani willis. and she stood by him on making those statements under oath when he doubled down the judge clearly had a problem with that and had to address it. >> this case was complicated enough to begin with. now this major istraction which i think safe to say has delayed prosecuing the case on the time line fani willis would have liked. are we looking at a different case we may have seen three months ago? >> let's start with the fact that ashley merchant filed this motion leading to today's decision on january 8. so we have lost two plus months in the prosecution of this case doing nothing other than addressing the underlying motion and the way as christy described it sort of morphed into ever different inquiries about the veracity of nathan wade and fani willis as opposed to whether or not their romantic relationship and related financial entanglement presented disqualifying conflicts of interest. in terms of the substance of the case, the decision that the judge entered yesterday dismissing those six counts doesn't meaningfully change what the case looks like going forward. however as somebody else noted earlier today, it does change the incentives for certain of the defendants to plead out. particularly for someone for example like mark meadows who is now only facing the rico count. he is one of the five most important defendants here. it may be that he will never be given an opportunity to plead out. but for some of the others, it may change how they look at this particularly if the eight who brought this motion plan to appeal judge mcafee's ruling with respect to fani willis stay on the case. >> melissa redman is also with us. she is a former fulton county deputy district attorney. i'm curious if fani willis were to say nathan wade, step aside, how long could that take to replace him and what do you see as the broader impact? >> we know nathan wade has been on the case since the beginning, since it was being presented to the special purpose grand jury. we also know that this is a very broad team, a deep bench. so she has different special prosecutors already available who could take over as well as prosecutors employed within the office already assigned to this case. it appears mr. wade was more of the strategist and the coach so to speak of the team. so i don't think that it would be that difficult for one of those other members of the team to step up and play that role as strategist, as the one who is kind of determining the theory of the case, how the case is going to proceed and those strategic decisions that have to be made as far as the plea recommendations and the responses to the motion. so i think because this is such a deep team, i believe that his removal of the case will not further delay it from the prosecution's standpoint in getting the case ready. i don't think that it will cause them any reason to not stick with the district attorney's initial statement that whenever the judge wants to try the case within 30 days, they will be able to start picking a jury. i don't think that that will change based on mr. wade's removal. >> this is your former office, so what is your sense of how all of this has affected the reputation of that office and fani willis personally? >> well, i believe that since these allegations were so intertwined with the personal lives of prosecutors, so i don't think that there is -- and the judge even indicated there is no evidence that has been presented. and he further mentioned that the defendants had every opportunity to present whatever evidence they had to show that she had a personal interest in this case, that she was doing anything other than what was in the best interests of the public in pursuing these particular offenses. so although her reputation as far as how she made this decision to hire who she had or why she made the decision to hire someone she had a personal relationship with, ultimately as far as how she was doing the job of district attorney in the county of fulton i believe the members, the residents of fulton county, are not going to use this as any means or anyway of believing that she's doing anything less than they expect of her in carrying out the duties. i think this is kind of an unforced error absolutely in hiring someone you are in a personal relationship with or maintaining that relationship after you've hired them, but as far as how she's doing her job, the cases she's prosecuting, how she's prosecuting those cases in the courtroom, i think that is what most residents of the county will be concerned with. >> lisa, if the case doesn't go to trial before the election, which is seeming more and more likely that that is the case, this would still be a legal cloud hanging over donald trump's head even if he is reelected to the white house. right? it wouldn't go away. he doesn't have power over a state case, right? >> he doesn't have power over state case nor can he pardon himself. however, i think that in the event fulton county were to continue to prosecute someone who became a sitting president, we would see litigation all the way up to the supreme court. remember the question is whether and if so to what extent a former president is entitled to immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to have been official. that is with respect to a former president. but it is not narrowed to state versus federal prosecution. in fact it is left open-ended. so if donald trump were to be president again and if fulton county would still have this case ready to be tried, i suspect that discreet evidence, can a state prosecute a sitting president would be litigated all the way up to the supreme court. >> so again just one of four criminal cases right now facing donald trump. and we'll discuss some of the others as we move forward this hour. thank you all. tonight watch the trump indictments, an msnbc special, they will break down the cases against the former president, discuss precedent for criminal charges against a former political leader and share time line of the critical events that led to the four indictments. watch the trump indictments, it is tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. in 60 seconds, the trump campaign on the offensive, how the former president plans to use his legal troubles and trials for political gain, next. . 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. book with new reaction from donald trump's legal team. in a statement posted to the trump campaign website, the lead defense counsel argues they did not afford the proper significance including the financial benefits. and he promises the team will, quote, use all legal options available and continue to fight to end this case. this comes as nbc news has new reporting on how the trump campaign plans to use his court dates for political gain by attacking president biden to muddy the water with voters and in the process make the legal issues a less significant issue. let's bring in one of the authors of that nbc news report, jonathan allen. and also along with sam stein, politico deputy managing editor for politics. also with us white house chief of staff under president obama. thank you all for joining us this afternoon. so sam, give me your assessment of how this fulton county decision affects the 2024 race. trump obviously spent a lot of time attacking fani willis. what does it mean for him politically? >> they obviously wanted the case dismissed. they didn't get that. probably muddied the waters enough that they will go to their corners and believe what they want to believe. but in the aggregate, their preferences don't have any of this going on at all. that is no longer likely to be the case. we most likely will still have a trial in new york. and yes, these were advantageous for trump in a primary campaign. it rallied the base and helped him statistically with fundraising. you saw a massive spike in fundraising for his political committees. but we haven't tested that proposition in the general election. and i think for better or worse, i would think they would rather not have the conversation of media coverage be on him in a courtroom. he will be in a courtroom potentially for six weeks when the new york trial begins. and that greatly prohibits the type of campaigning that he can do. so i don't know if this is a net benefit for him like it was during the primary. >> john, tell us more about how trump plans to use his court dates for political gain and could this fulton county decision play into their strategy. >> sam did a good job of explaining sort of the thinking inside trump world in terms of recognizing that this is not good for them and the best they can hope for in talking to people around him is to neutralize the issue and also a good point about how much this has benefited him with his base. he loves to go to court and then raise money off of it. i think what you will see is a little bifurcation of the strategy. trump will go to court and raise money and make the argument he is the victim of persecution by prosecution. and hoping that persuades some voters. and also we'll see him during these court appearances going out on the campaign trail, i think that there will be some events that are a little more focused on individual policies where he believes that joe biden has failed and that he has a prescription that will be good for the public. nobody has ever attempted a juggling act like this and certainly donald trump would prefer not to be threatened with the possibility of prison. >> so looking at the logistics of the campaign, jim, john also reports in really a fascinating article that the trump campaign strategy would essentially come down to spending four days a week in court especially if this hush money trial gets going, they would have one day a week fund raising assuming there is a pause in the court proceedings once a week, and then they would have campaign events on the weekends where they might talk about policy. you've run a presidential campaign before. can you imagine having to execute a strategy like this and how do you think it would affect fundraising? >> no, ana, for a campaign manager perspective, is this a nightmare. just don't want to have this. the one thing you can't make more of in a presidential campaign is time. and he will be spending day after day in a courtroom at the exact same time where they need him out there talking to voters and raising money. and so it is just a nightmare for the campaign. the other thing is he lost in 2020 because voters just got sick of the days on around him, they got sick of it always being about him. so he will be in a courtroom over and over as these voters are trying to make up their mind. and i think it is a real hurdle. i weirdly find himself agreeing with sam, which makes me nervous, but i don't think in the general election process with these voters, they don't think about this way. they look at this and say is this really what we want to do with the next four years of our lives. >> sam, can you explain the difference between why, you know, amplifying the legal woes of helping trump in a primary but could be a real vulnerability if he goes that route in the general? >> sure. i'll side step jim's slander and go to the question which is in the primary, obviously there is a ton of republican primary voters, maybe not totally engaged, but aware of what was going on who saw trump and said, you know, this is unfair, it is persecution by prosecution, this is biden trying to meddle in our primary. and they felt affinity for him. the other thing, this allowed for something that the other primary opponents couldn't do, which is direct online fundraising solicitations. if you look at the fund raising data, giving is relatively down on the grass roots level but for trump it persisted in large part because he would do things like sell t-shirts with his mug shot on it. so thereventable is limited. moderates and independents were not won over. and if anything, they will be as persuaded as trump voters to get involved. so the more days he is in the courtroom and the conversation is around his legal woes, it will activate both bases probably end up turning off those independent and moderate republican voters who like jim said are just so tired of it. >> and on dealing with legal woes, nbc news talked to a trump adviser who said we don't even need to win the argument, we just have to neutralize it. if we do, the decision making calculation favors us. so they are saying we don't need to necessarily get extra votes or energize more voters with the legal issues, if we could just kind of make it a neutral thing, that will work in our favor. is it possible for the trump campaign to actually neutralize his legal issues? >> i don't think so. maybe voters will say they both have legal issue, but that is playing checkers when we need to be playing chess. and sam and john have exactly right that he will spend day after day talking about himself being in court when voters are making up their minds. and so if he is in the courtroom, we'll see that it is always about him and there is something shady around him. and you can't spin that. it just doesn't help you make your case to these small amount of voters who are undecided in this election. >> john, final thought. >> i would just say it is interesting jim is sort of presenting this as a referendum on donald trump and donald trump being in court kind of plays into that. typically what you would see with a sitting president particularly one with such low approval ratings is that the republican, the other side, would be trying to paint this completely as a referendum on biden. instead what they have got is a split screen where they make an argument on policy about a referendum on biden who they say has failed. and at the same time donald trump will take all the attention away. it will be fascinating to see how it plays out. certainly an unusual and sort of mind exploding political season we're watching. >> our minds are exploding already and we're just getting going. john, sam, jim, happy friday, guys. thanks so much. coming up, a ship carrying desperately needed food arrives in gaza as more than 2 million people there are fighting to survive. plus inside today's russian election. that is almost certain to hand vladimir putin a fifth term. ced vladimir putin a fifth term. a p? 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. it is hard to keep track of the many trump trials, and there has been a lot of change in the time lines. so want to get you caught up and get a quick overview of when the tries may actually start. here to help us, blayne alexander in fulton county and also katie phang, and christy greenberg and also lisa rubin back with us. blaine, with the news today there in fulton county, when could that trial begin? >> reporter: well, this really depends on what the d.a. decides do and when she decides do it. initially she set an ideal trial date at the beginning of august even without this past 2 1/2 months. that seemed very improbable. but now that this case has essentially been ground to a halt the past two months, that seems highly impossible. so the d.a. can do a couple things. of course the judge said fire nathan wade, move on, but she is also within her rights to appeal and already at least one of the defense attorneys has signalled had they plan to explore that route. the attorney for robert shealy. so the question is how could that possibly further delay the case. certainly the target date that we're watching is would this go to trial before the election. it seems very unlikely that that would happen. >> katie, there in florida the judge in the federal mar-a-lago classified documents case already rejected at least one of trump's he motions to dismiss this case. and we know both sides have asked for the trial dates they want. when might this trial start? >> and i'll give you a lawyer's answer. it depends. and the reason why i say that, we've only heard from judge cannon on one of trump's many motions to dismiss. there is other motions file ed by co-defendants. and pending presidential immunity issue that could have an impact on judge cannon in florida. we do know there is tentatively, and i emphasize tentatively, a trial date in may. as you noted, both sides have skated their preferences of when they would like to go to trial. but this is classified documents. i do not believe this case will go to trial before november. >> katie, thank you. and lisa when you and i spoke at 10:00 a.m., you called this trump trial tetras. surprised you could say it without stumbling. but we have jack smith not only prosecuting the case there in florida with classified documents but also prosecuting the d.c. election interference case. where does that one stand? >> that one has been stayed for the most part with respect to the presidential immunity question. which stems from that case. the supreme court will hold oral argument on april 25. and after that point they can take as long or as short a time to resolve it as they want to. whether or not that case can proceed to trial will largely be determined on what the answer is from this supreme court, right? and how long it takes them to get there. so to invoke katie, it depends. >> now to the manhattan hush money trial. that was supposed to start in ten days. things changed just yesterday. so what is the status? >> so trump has asked to dismiss that indictment or adjourn the trial for 90 days. manhattan d.a. office said yesterday that on the basis of a recent production from the southern district of new york concerning michael cohen, they too would agree to an adjournment of 30 days. that led many in the press to conclude we'll get a 30 dayed a adjournment. but trump said wait a second, what we're asking for is a dismissal outright based on a panoply of alleged discovery violations. and this is just a part of that. they also allege a number of other discovery violations including with respect to prior statements from stormy daniels, they allege improper relationship between michael cohen, former investigator at the district attorney's office, and his former lawyer lanny davis. there is a bunch of other stuff in that motion. i'd call it a kitchen sink motion. and now they want a hearing the case that the original trial was supposed to go forward. the judge has a policy filings from the parties don't become public for at least 48 hours afterwards. and it will be wednesday at least before we know what the district attorney's office is really saying here. >> and so the district attorney office at least in part is pointing the finger at the sdny saying it didn't turnover everything when we initially asked, that could be germane to our case. and what do you think happens? >> it is really hard to say. they have a lot of questions that they need to answer. if there are requests made by the district attorney's office more than a year ago, and sdny said we're not giving you that information and now it turns up in response to donald trump's subpoena, the question is why. and donald trump's lawyers are asking in this letter today for hearing for sdny to have to answer that that. and they should have. we should hear about what happened here. what was the substance of what was head back, why was it not produced earlier. you know, what exactly happened here. otherwise if they are not providing -- just based on the facts alone as presented, it seems like a real black eye on sdny to have not turned over the information. hopefully there is an xwn k. plan nation, but hard to see what that could be. >> thank you so much, ladies. now to deadly weather. two people are dead after suspected tornadoes tore through the midwest. the destruction we're now seeing live from indiana, next. and then in the next hour, growing health concerns in the nation's third largest city. what we're learning about chicago's measles outbreak. lea chicago's measles outbreak (music) have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? 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