An impact. But like i said earlier, it will take a lot of Digital Media literacy that we dont have. Brian, its great to see you. Thanks for joining the show tonight. Thanks. That is our show for this evening. Its time for last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening, alex. And we have a democratic nominee, joe biden has officially made it. So were going to be covering only of that and also a lot of defended trump coverage to get to. It is a big night. The General Election is on. Have a good show, lawrence. It is. Thanks, alex. Thank you. Well, its not a good day for the Trump Fanatics on the republican controlled house Judiciary Committee. It was not a great day for their star witness. Republican former u. S. Attorney robert hur was appointed to his u. S. Attorney by donald trump, conducted the investigation of joe bidens possession of classified material after joe biden left the vice presidency. That investigation found joe biden did not commit any crimes at all. We learned today in the hearing robert hurs report about joe biden was not accurate. In his description of joe biden. As an elderly man with unusual memory problems. And youll remember that bit was the big news of that report. The news that was heard around the world about that report, and it is false. Today Merrick Garland released the full transcript of President Bidens five hours of under Oath Questioning by robert hur. In his report robert hur claimed that President Biden could not remember when his son died. That is not true. In the transcript, President Biden says what month did beau die . Oh my god, may 30. And then someone else in the room with the president says 2015, and President Biden says it was 2015. And it is not easy to understand joe bidens anger about robert hurs false characterization of the president s memory of that tragic day. They found Something Else in the transcript released today of joe bidens testimony about joe bidens memory that robert hur deliberately did not include in his report describing the president s memory. I now want to turn you to the transcript and day one, page 47. You said to President Biden, you have appeared to have a photographic understanding of the house. Did you say that to President Biden . Those words do appear on page 47 of the transcript. Photographic is what you said, is that right . Never appeared in your report though, is that correct . The word photographic . That does not appear in my report. Carson zeroed in on a possible motivation for robert hur to slant his report against joe biden in every way that he could. A lot has changed since 2018 for the person who appointed you, former president trump. Since you were appointed, he was impeached for leveraging 350 million u. S. Taxpayer dollars over ukraine to get dirt on President Biden. He was impeached a second time for inciting an insurrection. He was charged for possessing classified documents and obstructing justice. He was charged for paying for the silence of a porn star. He was charged in georgia for his role in january 6. He was charged in the District Of Columbia for his role in january 6. And he defrauded new york for his taxes, and hes been judged a rapist. You want to be perceived understandably as credible. And so i want to first see if you will pledge to not accept an appointment from donald trump if he is elected again as president. Congressman, i dont, im not here to testify. It seems like an easy answer considering what i just laid out. Im here to talk about the report in the work that went into it. But you dont want to be associated with that guy again, do you . Im not here to offer any opinions about what may or may not happen in the future. So it is fair to interpret that what you just saw obviously means what may happen in the future is that robert hur would accept a federal judgeship from the indicted donald trump or serve as the indicted general. Republicans on the committee kept trying to suggest robert hur would have recommended criminal charges against joe biden if President Biden were just younger. That it was simply joe bidens elderly faulty memory that would make him hard to convict in a courtroom. But the truth of the hur report is that it does not at any point identify a single criminal act that could be prosecuted against anyone at any age. It did not identify a single thing joe biden did that anyone has ever been prosecuted for. And the only classified material that joe biden knew he possessed was exactly the same material that president Ronald Reagan kept when he left the presidency and the Justice Department, at that time believed what president reagan did was perfectly legal and they justified. President Ronald Reagan kept daily notes during his time in the white house and Vice President joe biden kept similar daily notes during his eight years as Vice President. Those notes would inevitably contain Classified Information. And those notes were deliberately kept by joe biden following the legal precedent set by Ronald Reagan and the Justice Department when Ronald Reagan deliberately kept those same notes. And so the simple facts of the biden case are there was no criminal prosecution because there was absolutely nothing that was even close to a criminal act. Democrats used the hearing today to remind america what it is like when the possession and handling of classified material is criminal. And your investigation, did you find President Biden directed his lawyer to lie to the fbi . We identified no such evidence. Did you find President Biden told his lawyer to destroy classified documents . No. Did you find biden directed his Personal Assistant to remove boxes to hide them from the fbi . No. Did you find President Biden directed his personal assistance to delete Security Camera footage after the fbi asked for that footage . No. Did you find President Biden showed a classified map related to an ongoing Military Operation to a Campaign Aide who did not have clearance . No. Did you find President Biden engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice . No. Did you find President Biden engaged in a scheme to conceal . No. Each activities i just laid out describes what donald trump did in his willful mishandling of Classified Information in his efforts to deceive the fbi. Congressman meddling dean who will join us in a moment forced robert hur to make the case against donald trump by reading what hurs report says about the trump case. Unlike the evidence involving mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts. Keep going. Congresswoman, im happy to have you read the report. It is your report, so it is more fitting that you read those. Most noticeably after given multiple choices to return classified documents to avoid prosecution, mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. Keep going. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. And we have new information about Donald Trumps handling of government owned documents and classified documents from the witness who special prosecutor jack smiths indictment identifies as trump employee number five. That employee, ryan butler, said in a cnn interview that he helped trump codefendant move some of the boxes from florida to new jersey. We got to the airport, i ended up loading all the luggage that i had and he had a bunch of boxes. You noticed he had boxes . Oh yeah, they were boxes in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. Thats what i remember loading. And did you have any idea at the time that there was potentially u. S. National security secrets in those boxes . No clue. Nope. I had no clue. Ryan butler explained why hes speaking out now publicly. Well, i mean, its been almost a year since fbi agents showed up at my house when my wife was at home. You know, over the course of the last year, emotionally its been a roller coaster. A couple weeks ago judge can nan says she is going to release the names of the witnesses. You go from highs and lows in this. And instead of just waiting for it to just come out, i think its better that i get to at least say what happened than it coming out in the news, people calling me crazy. I would rather just get it out there. And brian butler offered this account of donald trump sharing Classified Information with an australian billionaire. I believe it was april of 2021. This was a member, anthony pratt, who he was coming he flew in the night before. Hes an australian billionaire . He finishes the meeting with the president and gets in the car, and his Chief Of Staff says how did the meeting go . Pratt without saying just says he told me and it would be, you know, u. S. Military Classified Information of what he told them about russian submarines and u. S. Submarines. And thats really all i remember hearing, and i went what . You know, im thinking this. Im in the car of did i just hear that . So it wasnt like oh, the meeting went well. We talked. He went straight to the point. He told me that the u. S. Subs and with the russian subs, you know, something that would more than likely in my mind be classified. Leading off our discussion tonight is dean of pennsylvania and eric swawell. Both served as Impeachment Managers in the second Impeachment Trial of donald trump. Congress member dean, one of the things that strikes me about the hur report that i find so unrelentingly strange, he keeps referring to a possible presentation of the evidence in this report to a jury, and how a jury might perceive it. When, in fact, there is nothing in the report that could ever possibly be presented to a jury and this notion of how a jury would perceive, you know, bidens memory or his understanding of how he was handling those documents. Just could not be more absurd with an Evidence Base that never comes close to rising to a chargeable offense. And that is exactly, lawrence, what he says in his report. It never rises to that level. Im so pleased to be with you, but also with eric tonight. Eric, you and i have been comrades on the Judiciary Committee for a few years now. I feel lucky to know you. Same. And im pleased with what you were able to bring out today in terms of testimony. In terms of the language of the report, and lawrence, i think youre going to enjoy this, and i bet you paid attention to it. Did you notice whenever mr. Hur got caught in something, he slipped to passive voice . So for example when eric said to him about photographic memory or whatever the exact word was, he said well that is the language of the report. Not his report, not his language. So somebody who pays attention to that kind of thing. But lets remember where this all began. Where it began was the very first sentence of the entire more than 200 page report. And this is mr. Hurs language. We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. And lawrence, you saw in that report that same statement is paraphrased over and over and over again. Sadly i think the report has very little credibility because beyond that the evidence wasnt there. What was mr. Hur trying to say . And the use of the word willful, President Biden willfully possessed classified, what they called classified documents. It is such a misleading thing for the general public to get only that and not have included in that. The only documents that he willfully possessed that he knew he possessed and deliberately possessed were his own handwritten notes, which is exactly what Ronald Reagan did with his own handwritten notes. And that was considered when Ronald Reagan did it by the Justice Department, to not be criminal, and they made no attempts to even get those notes back from Ronald Reagan. And that is very telling, lawrence. But also when you read the transcript, you see, you know, the president has a clear handle on, you know, what was unaccounted for. And he explains it as his staff, you know, were largely responsible. He is such a kind person and said im not trying to throw the staff under the bus here. I dont want anyone to get in trouble. But my notes were the only ones that i handled. I think this is such a perfect side by side of two people. So put aside what you believe Donald Trumps intent was to take National Security marked materials as you said different than handwritten opponents. And that he possessed. Take away what you believe the intent was. You have two individuals that have classified materials at their property. One of them does everything to return the materials, allows the fbi to search their house just to be careful and safe. Sits down for five hours of interviews over two days. Thats biden. The other person does everything to conceal the possession of those materials, directs others to lie and obstruct about it and Still Believes that even if he did all of that, that he could do it any way because he believes hes a king. It is just a test of character in how both individuals handled it. And lets listen to the demonstrations of the memories that the democratic side of this hearing was able to put in evidence in the hearing today that they oppose to what the hur report says about bidens memory. Lets listen to this. Your next wife is marla maple . Right. And sitting here today, do you recall what years you were married to ms maples . Um i would have to get the exact dates for you. I can do that. You married your current wife in January Of 2005 . I dont know relative to that date. I dont know the answer. James webb . I dont remember the names. I dont remember the names. You dont remember saying you have one of the best memories . I dont remember that. I remember you telling me, but i dont remember i said that. Congressman dean, evidence like that along with the revelations that were the night before, and that cnn interview of mr. Butler about loading boxes to get them to new jersey and all the other incriminating information that he revealed that we did not know in that interview. All that coming together. And it is very sad that we could be angry and it is really sad that the former president has come out as such, im sorry, am i frozen . Im sorry if i am. And such a person of lacking of any decency. And certainly his memory is slipping. There are some serious problems. He has been under a 40count indictment for all the things he did in terms of documents. So the contrast is extraordinarily striking and in his report alone, he, himself, and that is why i asked him to read a part of his report to point out the stark contrast between the two documents and how they handle documents. And donald trump cannot tell you when he married any of his wives or how long he was married to any of his wives and how long hes been married to his third and current wife. He doesnt know that. Thats not information he knows. And there will never be, you can be absolutely certain that there will never be a headline anywhere about that failure of Donald Trumps memory . And lawrence, that clip he played that he referred to september 11. And that he would stumble all the time. And the difference between joe biden, even being asked the day after, you know, after the attack about something that would happen years ago and having a clear memory of most things, so clear that they would call it photographic. And donald trump, you know, does he have memory issues, hes dangerous, and he is under indictment, and hes a narcissist. We cant hammer this point home enough for the american people. Representative dean, thank you for joining us tonight. My pleasure. Thank you. Its good to be with you. Coming up tonight, joe biden easily secured enough delegates for the democratic president ial nomination. He did that before donald trump secures the delegates for the republican nomination. Simon will join us next. This thing . 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