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Chris jansing reports. At this hour, All The President S Men and geena davis, too. A brand new look at President Bidens starstudded prep for the State Of The Union. A republican response on Reproductive Rights, an alabama senators plans to rebut biden tonight. On which party stand with parents and families. After the trial, what a jury member says sealed the deal for that guilty verdict in the are the Rust Shooting as alec baldwin waits for his day in court. The crisis in haiti. The Prime Minister struggling to return to the country and hold on to power as violent gangs take over. Will the u. S. Get involved . Our nbc News Reporters are following all of the latest developments. We begin with the night of nights in the world of politics. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell is reporting from the white house. Kelly, what can you tell us about how the president is preparing for tonights big night . Well, there are revisions and revisions, going over the speech with a careful pen to mark those moments for changes, and then also getting ready for the big impact of this. Certainly advisers that ive talked to have described this as one of the biggest nights for the president. In effect, it is an opportunity to kick off his reElection Campaign. Get a chance to hear him at length. Not just little clips that are put out on the internet. Some of those by his rivals or opponents that would be an unflattering portrait of the president. Here, a chance for him to talk about what hes done, why he came to office in the first place, why voters chose him in 2020 and what work is left to do, on big important issues, democracy to financial concerns people have at home, like reducing costs on various things. Freedoms, like Reproductive Rights and other concerns that they believe have wide, broad appeal, not only for democrats but independents and even some republicans. Thats sort of the big theme of the night. And the president has been preparing and trying to set the stage for the stakes of this evening, and heres a little bit of how he is using social media to do that. I never spoke to so many all at one time. A big speech coming up the State Of The Union, any advice you have for me delivering my speech . Well, sir, in my capacity as president , all i had to deal with was a meteor. My advice is just keep telling us how youre working for us. And building hope. Tell them that you exist for them. Theres no crying in politics. Well, what i hope is my politics doesnt make anybody else cry. Love and compassion as a leader are strengths, theyre not weaknesses and are key to your character. Theres nothing that we cant do when we do it together. So a constellation of actors who have played the president , interacting with the current president , and this is one of the ways we will see the white house try to Reach Americans in places where theyre not necessarily looking for news content, but they want a moment to be introduced to the president in a different way. They view the speech tonight as a chance for the president to have a long conversation with the american public, for them to assess things like his age and fitness, by watching him in action. All of that trying to go sort of the old school route of the important constitutional base of what this speech means, being in the modern moment and knowing the campaign is fully underway. Chris. Kelly odonnell, thanks for that. Alabama has signed new protections for ivf into law now. Legislation that could factor into tonights republican response to the State Of The Union. Nbcs dasha burns is covering this for us. So the republican response will be delivered by alabamas junior senator, katie brit. Tell us about her. Reporter according to a source familiar with the plans, the senator will be leaning into the argument that the Republican Party is the party of parents and children. They hope who she is, a 42yearold mom of schoolaged children will be relatable in that way. A lot of folks have pointed to the age gap between her and the president. The team is hoping to emphasize the relatability gap. They see that as she is someone going to the grocery store, going to pick up her kids from school, pumping the gas. She wants to really connect with people on that level and say, hey, the policies that are impacting you are impacting me, too. And she is, of course, the senator from alabama. Her state right now, mired in the controversy from that Alabama State Supreme Court decision that paused Ivf Treatment in the state. The legislature now putting at least a temporary fix on that. We can expect that she will address that issue. Shes been an outspoken supporter of ivf. And in terms of what success looks like, the source told me success would look like prosecuting the case against President Bidens record. They expect that in his State Of The Union, there will be some messaging that will be used as a little bit of a Campaign Trail Tool as well. And the role is to prosecute why he should not get four more years. That is the role that they see for senator brit. One other interesting nugget given the maga moment were in, i asked the source, you know, what are the reasons that it was senator britt chosen. They need a person who can bring strength and optimism for the future, and they believe senator britt is the one to do that. Well see how that shakes out for her. Dasha burns, thank you so much. Now to that conviction in the shooting of a movie cinematographer and what it might mean for the next trial, the one with the movies star. Nbcs dana griffin is in santa fe for us. Dana, i know were hearing from a jury member in the rust trial. What did we learn . Yeah, chris, so this all boiled down to whether the jury believed Hannah Gutierrezreed was responsible for loading that live round into baldwins revolver, which ultimately shot and killed Halyna Hutchins and they found it did. I spoke with one of the jurors moments after the verdict, and i asked them, what was that key piece of evidence. Heres what he told me. Not checking the weapons. Just having him over and like, here. Not checking. That was a big deal. I mean, you cant do that. Reporter you heard him, you cant do that. I asked why they decided not to convict on the tampering with evidence charge. That was in relation to a bag of cocaine that Hannah Gutierrezreed passed to a crew member. No one ever found it. Thats why they decided to not convict her on that. Now she is awaiting sentencing. She could face up to 18 months in prison, and now were turning to baldwins case. He is scheduled to go to trial july 9th. And i can tell you, this was a kind of a headsup for him and his defense team, we know his attorney has been in court every single day, taking court notes, this is his way of getting the states play book. He knows what evidence they have against him and they can work over the next four months to build up the stronger defense. On the flip side, you have the prosecutor who knows what works for a jury, and they can look go back to their case, look at what worked, what didnt work, and try to build an Even Stronger case against baldwin. The prosecutor said during her closing statement, that he will, baldwin, will have to account for what he did in that church that day. But that will be on a different day with a different jury, and, hey, that could come this july. Chris. Dana griffin, thank you. Now to haiti where armed gangs have been unleashing a wave of brutal violence in the capital. Nbcs Gabe Gutierrez has the latest on that. Gabe. Haiti is on the brink of civil war as it spirals into chaos. Now the Prime Minister is on u. S. Soil having landed in puerto rico earlier this week. Ariel anrie took Office Following the assassination of the president at the time. Violence has been escalating over the last few days ever since a mass prison break over the weekend. There has been violence for the past several years. There was a significant amount of unrest, but it has gotten worse, and the u. N. Now estimates that about 80 of portauprince is under the control of violent armed gangs. Now the airport in portauprince, the main airport remains shut down, and the State Department is urging all americans to leave haiti immediately. Of course that is challenging because that airport is shut down. Chris, the white house is walking a very fine line here. It says that it is not urging the Prime Minister to resign, be rather that it is trying to expedite, along with other caribbean nations some sort of political transition. Again, the white house insisting that its not asking the Prime Minister to resign, and its also saying that it does not plan to have any american boots on the ground in haiti. Now, right now, chris, it remains unclear whether the Prime Minister plans to return to the country. But the white house is saying that it is not helping him in port puerto rico. What does that mean for joe biden that 38 , Steve Kornacki standing by at the big board. Td woman why did we choose safelite . Vo driving around is how we get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we trusted the experts. They focus on our safety. So we can focus on this little guy. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. President biden goes into the State Of The Union battling a panic over polls. For a round up of his current standing and how that compares to past president s at this point in their reElection Year, i want to bring in nbcs Steve Kornacki at the big board. What do the numbers tell us, steve . The numbers tell us joe biden is face ago pretty serious challenge in his reElection Year. We talked on super tuesday about some of the general election polling is that trump biden match up that put Joe Biden A Little Bit behind donald trump in the most recent polls. These are some of the numbers that put him in that position. This is his job Approval Rating, our most recent nbc poll, consistent with the other polls that have come out recently. It is a 37 job Approval Rating for joe biden, with 60 saying they dont approve of his performance as president. Lets put that in context. President s, recent president s at the start of the reElection Year, heading into the State Of The Union address, same position biden is in now, what were their Approval Ratings. Take a look at how biden stacks up. You can see the 37 hes got right now, its lower and significantly lower than the other president s this century who have been in this position. You start with george w. Bush at the beginning of 2024. His reElection Year. Saddam hussein had been captured a month or two earlier. Bush went on to win the election, barack obama was a tick under 50 . He defeated mitt romney. Trump, four years ago, 46 , and of course that was not enough for donald trump. He lost to joe biden. And now heres joe biden at 37 . The only two president s to go a little bit further in the past to be at this level or lower in their reElection Year, george h. W. Bush, 1992, jimmy carter, 1980. They were both defeated for reelection. Now, take a look at this. We asked folks more specifically on the issues what they judged the president s Job Performance to be on the economy. 36 job approval. On foreign policy, 34, and specifically on the israelhamas war, 29. This is one obviously the economy, the biden folks are hoping they continue to get positive indicators and that voters begin to feel that, and they believe that might change Voters Perceptions of the economy, and if their perceptions of the economy change, perhaps their perceptions of joe bidens overall Job Performance changes. Thats a variable to keep in mind as the year progresses. Theres this from pugh, which shows some quality polling. They asked a whole series of traits and characteristics about joe biden, and just ask folks, do these terms, these traits in your view describe biden. You can see he gets his best marks on being even tempered. His campaign wants to make a contrast on donald trump. What stands out the most to me is this question right here. 29 . Fewer than 1 3 in this poll say that the term Mentally Sharp applies to joe biden. Obviously as the oldest president ever, and the issue of age popping up in so many polls right now, and looming over this campaign in a way, you know, we really havent seen before with both candidates. Particularly with the incumbent president , i think it underscores the significance potentially tonight for biden because the issues are so front and center, because that question of age is so in the spotlight. How does he look . How does he sound, how does he perform tonight . Theres going to be a large audience. One of the largest audiences a president gets for this kind of extended speech. How are voters going to perceive him tonight as they watch the speech. Its an opportunity to allay concerns. Hes not going to get too many opportunities to do that in an extended format with this kind of an audience. Steve kornacki, interesting stuff, thank you. Joining me is the man who ran the campaign for the last democratic incumbent running for reelection. Jim messina was president obamas 2012 Campaign Manager and White House Deputy Chief Of Staff of operations. Im looking at those numbers again, and looking at the bottom 2, personal characteristics inspiring 26 . Energetic, 24 . Is it too simplistic to say those are at the bottom along with Mentally Sharp. Those are the things he has to change tonight just by how he presents this speech. Whats your take on it . A couple of things, chris. First of all, i think tonight is one of the two free moments hes going to get to talk to the American People between now and the election. Tonight in the convention speech. It is a high stakes moment for him to lay out exactly what hes doing for people and to start to draw the contrast that is so important in these elections. I used to say to president obama, this is a choice between you and your opponent, well win that choice. And so hes got to start driving that choice. The number there that steve just showed that i care the most about, cares like people like me. Tonight, he needs the American People to say, hes in this for ordinary people. He cares about these ordinary people like me. And hes in it and donald trump isnt. And the State Of The Union is a Perfect Place to start driving the contrast, to say im in touch with your values and the other side isnt. Thats why tonights so important for him, chris. It seems like back in 2009, im guessing you might remember this. When president obama was giving a speech and the congressman yelled you lie at the president , it started this kind of whole incivility thing. I want to remind people of what happened in the State Of The Union last year. Take a listen. Some republicans want medicare and Social Security to sunset. Im not saying its the majority of you. Let me give you anybody who doubts it. I tell you, i enjoy conversion. Speaker johnson is warning his Republican Caucus not to heckle. I wonder if President Biden should hope for hecklers tonight. If this is a speech about contrasts and given how he responded last year, could it be an opportunity or do you just ignore it and go on . No, its absolutely an opportunity, chris. Both barack obama and bill clinton were helped in their reElection Campaigns by having a Republican House full of unruly people who had crazy ideas and they could campaign against them. I agree with you, the most viral moment of last years speech was that moment you just showed. You cant plan for it. Youre not going to know when it comes. Its proof of how good joe biden was on his feet, and was able to take what could be a difficult moment and make it the moment of the night. Well all be watching to see if theres one of those moments tonight. Jim messina, always good to see you. Thank you so much. 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Plus, ask how to get up to a 800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet package. Dont wait, call and switch today another record busting round of Torrential Winter Rain Is Wreaking Havoc across the southeast and on the east coast. Today in georgia, cars stuck on the flooded roads as storms brought travel to a standstill. And for vehicles that are still able to move, the conditions have been dangerous. Look at this view from i75 in florida. Gusty winds whipping across the highway making that rain all the more dangerous. And on the heels of record heat, destructive wildfires in texas, and devastating storms in california, President Biden is set to highlight the actions hes taking to combat Climate Change during tonights State Of The Union address. The speech comes after the official last day of the special climate envoy, john kerry, who said in an interview that staying doesnt make sense in an Election Year with a gridlocked congress. And with a slim chance of real action. Joining me is ali zadie, Assistant To The President and National Climate office to lead the policy office. To john kerrys point who said hes frustrated and used more colorful language, he said he thinks the movement at large needs to do a better job of communicating the benefits of climate action, so what will the president s communication on this be tonight . Look, its so important that we get out there and help people understand the economic up side of leaning in to taking on this crisis, and thats what the president s been doing since day one. As you showed in your reporting, the idea that Climate Change is picking up the pace, that its showing up in all of our communities, its not a science projection. Its a reality in our communities, and in the lives of the American People, and folks the world over, but whats also the reality today is that weve got folks signing up for jobs at factories to manufacture solar panels and ev batteries, people getting retrained and rehired into careers to build this clean energy economy. Youll see some of those folks at the State Of The Union this evening. But thats what this is all about. Its about going into the crisis together united and coming out the other end more strong. Having built an economy thats more durable, that works for people from the bottom up and the middle out. And weve talked a lot on this program about the other side of the Economic Impact of this, right, just take any given storm, and you often hear about an impact in the hundreds of millions, sometimes billion dollar plus range depending on what were talking about. And here we are, while waiting for some change, the first two months of this year were officially the hottest on record. Joe biden has said that Global Warming topping 1. 5 degrees the next 15 to 20 years is scarier than nuclear war. Are we going to hear that kind of warning tonight to say this is what youre setting yourselves up for, essentially. Look, the president sees this for the challenge that it is. You pointed out the heat effects. Weve seen it in the Colorado River basin. 40 million folks across seven states who depend on that resource, parched by drought. But now stabilized thanks to the president s investment agenda. So were investing in resilience and adaptation, were getting after the root cause. So its not just this message of doom and despair. Thats not where the president has lived. Where hes focused is to help us see the opportunity, the possibilities, and i think thats what youll hear the president talk about. Our ability to take factories that had once been shuttered and turn them back on. Energy workers who have been laid off put them back on the beat, helping us build this sustainable and robust economy. Its what were doing everywhere across the country. Its that story of uplift, i think, that the president brings to the chamber this evening. And i think its that story of uplift that will continue to mobilize more action on climate all across the United States. Were almost out of time, but i do want to go back to what john kerry had to say, and also to quote something that was in the nonprofit inside climate News Reporting because while many people acknowledge that this administration has done a lot in this realm, they say that amid the heated 2024 political climate, many of the climate regulations going into effect in the coming months are weakened versions of the original goals with delayed epa action on new natural gas and Tail Pipe Emissions rules for example. Are climate rules like that getting watered down because, well, i dont know, maybe so much Political Capital has to go elsewhere. Can anything be done realistically, ali, to move that forward before the election. I think that story is just wrong. We have been moving more quickly, more vigorously every day of this administration. You think about the fall, a year after the Inhalation Reduction Act had been passed, the president launched an american climate corps, a new initiative to get young people into clean energy and climate jobs. Later that year in december in dubai, we brought the world together around a consensus that we need to transition away from fossil fuels, accelerating progress in this decade. Just at the beginning of this year, the president announced a pause on the buildout of future authorizations of liquified natural gas, lng exported from the United States to markets overseas. The rules that youre talking about, we have banned Routine Venting and flaring, cutting Methane Emissions by 80 in a matter of a decade. Were going to have electric vehicles already quadrupled, but as part of the option set, the choices that consumers have to get from point a to point b on a lower cost, solution basis, and were doing on power plants, something transformational, giga watts, massive projects, millions of homes worth of energy, being built in the United States, not in the future, not a decade from now. Right now, and creating jobs and opportunity here domestically right now. Thats motivating. Thats a big deal. Its not something that i think when you look at the stakes in the fall you shy away from. Its something that you lean into because it is a strength for this president that he has woven climate through his economic and security agenda and were going to continue to vigorously pursue that. One of the things well be listening for closely tonight. Thank you for coming on the program. We want to take you Around The World for a story that spans 37 miles and 130 days. 29yearold cole brower said into the History Books when she became the First American woman to race nonstop Around The World all by herself. Nbcs emilie ikeda covered this. A harrowing journey, also a Glass Ceiling breaking one. The strength of mind and body this takes, off the charts, tell me about it. Its truly stunning. Im think im cole browers biggest fan at this point, when you consider what it takes to be a solo sailer. Youre considering the boat, the pathway, you have to fix when something goes on the boat. Understand the weather, taking care of personal things, and it comes with treacherous conditions. This was a race that went 37,000 miles down the western coast of africa, around the cape of australia, over to south america in some of the most treacherous waters known to man, back to spain. 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I could start to feel blood rolling down my arm. And i i dont think i was admitting that i was shot. It was so far out of what i knew to be would happen. So this is the trial of the gunmans father. James crumbley, who prosecutors say was grossly negligent when he purchased the gun for his son ethan four days before the attack. He is now on trial for four counts of Involuntary Manslaughter. One count for each of the lives taken during the rampage. Crumbleys Wife Jennifer was already convicted of those same charges. Nbcs Adrienne Broaddus is outside the courthouse, also with me legal correspondent, lisa rubin. Whats the latest were hearing from court. Reporter the second witness is on the stand. We heard Opening Statements from both sides, the prosecution and the defense early this morning. The assistant Prosecuting Attorney told members of the jury that James Crumbley was in the best position to prevent these shootings. James has pleaded not guilty. By contrast, the Defense Attorney representing James Crumbley said theres no way james who pleaded not guilty had any knowledge of his sons intentions. Listen more to the conversation from both sides. She crouched down, like i dont know if it was i dont know if it was in i dont know why she did it. It was in a fetal position, and the shooter ran right up to her, and put the gun right on her head and she just fell over. Reporter and that was one of the witnesses who was testifying that you just heard from. He described what he saw when he responded to the scene. The other big question is a lot of people are wondering what will be the difference in james trial when compared to his Wife Jennifer. One big difference, the members of the jury. Also, some evidence will be withheld that we saw in jennifers trial, and will be some new evidence. The other key, the witnesses. Students were not allowed to testify in jennifers case. And this trial, one injured student will be allowed to testify, and also added to the witness list, the original owner of the gun that was used. Chris. So, lisa, what do you see as the differences between the two spouses trials . James crumbley has some things going for him that his wife did not, and also has some liabilities that she did not. Lets start with the liabilities. He is the one who purchased the gun for his son. He was also responsible for the storage of the gun, and he told investigators that he stored the gun not under lock and key but in an armoire, unloaded, and bullets in a separate drawer under some jeans. Those are his liabilities so to speak. Unlike his wife who was having an extra marital affair, who was portrayed as out of touch, that you cant say about James Crumbley. He is in some respects a more sympathetic figure, he was being cheated on. Hes hard of hearing. Hes wearing headphones in the courtroom so he can hear the testimony against him. In some respects he may be more sympathetic. In others, he may be seen as more directly responsible for the plight of the four students and others who were injured that day. A situation in a texas high school, parents are outraged after their kids were suspended. Now they face expulsion for not telling an adult that a fellow student brought a gun to school and planned to shoot a teacher. Yes, i could have tried, but at this point, its just my mind thinking, would this kid turn on me and instead i get hurt instead of anyone else. Shes still growing and her mentality is not fully developed to place something that big on her, and at the time when the whole situation happened, she, in fact, feared for her life. When Jennifer Crumbley was convicted, it was a breakthrough, right . This is a very different situation obviously. Except that its about are people accountable beyond the person who either shot or was going to shoot people. How complicated could this be legally, just to even say were going to expel these kids who didnt tell us they knew that there was a gun. Well, there are two sort of big differences here. But lets start with the first one, which is that parents have a duty of care for their children. In fact, one of the theories of Involuntary Manslaughter here is that they didnt exert reasonable care over their son who they knew to be suffering from Mental Health issues. Where youre talking about students in relationship to one another, the same legal duty doesnt exist, particularly where youve got minors. I think it is really legally complicated. On the other hand, i can understand suspension and expulsion to compel other students in similar situations to come forward and prevent the loss of life we saw in oxford. Lisa rubin, good to have you on the program. Thank you. Theres no question that joe biden and donald trump will face off again in november. What about face to face before then . 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But heres the little refresher of what happened the last time those two were on stage together. Im not here to call out his lies, Everybody Knows hes a liar. I just want to make sure graduated last in your class, not first in your class. Let minimum finish, sir. He doesnt know how to do that. Im not going to answer the question. Radical left. Will you shut up, man. Who is on your list, joe. This is so gentlemen this is so unpresident ial. Youre the worst president america has ever had, come on. Nbcs Vaughn Hillyard is covering the trump campaign. Chuck todd is an nbc news chief political analyst. The good old days. Trump dodged every primary, and also said, look, im way up in the polls, why do i need to debate. Suddenly he wants this faceoff. Does he really . Reporter right, i remember i think probably a lot of americans after that first debate back in 2020, walking out of my home, and walking through the neighborhood and looking up at the stars and thinking about the world. Whether well get those rematches in 2024 is an outstanding question. Donald trump said it himself he wants to debate joe biden anytime, anywhere, even agreeing to the debates put on by the commission of debates, which donald trump was critical of, and the rnc voted to bar its future president ial candidates from partaking in debates and now that donald trump is the candidate, he can do whatever he wants. Doesnt matter what the party says. Take a look at his statement or response from the Biden Campaign who to note did not directly answer whether the current president would participate in debates against donald trump, but said in part, quote, i know Donald Trumps thirsty for attention and struggling to expand his appeal beyond the maga base. If hes so desperate to see president in prime time, he might learn a thing or two about bringing people together and delivering for the American People. Four years ago it was donald trump who was also poking joe biden at the time suggesting that he was doing nothing but hiding in his basement. Of course joe biden did everything but that. He partook in the two debates, the third one was canceled because donald trump refused it take part in it virtually because of covid precautions. Im going to resist the temptation to ask vaughn what he saw in the stars that night as he was wandering the neighborhood and instead ask you, where do you put the chances of a debate actually happening . I think its pretty low. I would be surprised if theres a debate. It is really hard to justify sharing a stage with trump knowing how the conversations going to go, right, you know, these are the do i think we might get backtoback forums, i do, but the direct engagement, i dont think were going to get it. Ive talked to people close to the biden world who were like, well, since he didnt debate in the primaries, hes certainly given us an easier out on this. That said we know that is it though really, chuck . Are people going to look at this and say, he cant do it, the age question, the mental competence question, and maybe, maybe are they missing an opportunity like some people thought they did before the super bowl . Heres what i think is most likely. If trump is serious about going down the road of the commission on president ial debates, joe biden is a traditionalist and an institutionalist. For instance, hes already made the decision hes going to okay Intelligence Briefings for the presumptive nominee when donald trump is the presumptive nominee. There are a lot of people that are concerned hes going to be getting sensitive briefings like this. Joe biden does believe in the traditions and institutions of these things. If you told me the commission on president ial debates had come to an agreement with trump and was negotiating, yes, i could see a scenario where he did that. I just i doubt it. I dont see, you know, and frankly its sort of funny to me that trumps the one calling for him right now. Because i think they dont help him. Debates dont help him. I dont know whether theyre going to help biden or not but i dont think they help trump much at all. More trump is never usually helpful to winning over swing voters. Weve got a minute left, chuck, im going to give it to you, what can biden really accomplish tonight . I think starting to create a framework of doing two things, explaining, you know, why him, but particularly on those issues that are of the most concern of voters under 40 because when you think about whos watching tonight, its people that are already kind of partial to him. He needs to talk to the ones that are the most tenuous, and i think those are demographically voters under 40. Theyre the ones that most economically still concerned. Theyre the ones not happy about whats happened with Reproductive Rights. St i think its an opportunity there. Its an opportunity to frame what is his argument against trump about, and is it going to be forward looking or background looking . I think its going to be forward looking, this guy wants to do this, this and this. Were doing this, this and this. Thats what his opportunity is tonight. He gets to frame the conversation in both of those instances, at least its an opportunity. Well see if he pulls it off. Chuck todd, Vaughn Hillyard, great to have you on the show. Thank you. Thats going to do it for us this hour, but remember, special coverage of the State Of The Union tonight. Rachel maddow and team will have a complete analysis of President Bidens speech and also the republican response. So be sure to tune into that special coverage that begins at 9 00 eastern. Right here on msnbc, and of course join us for Chris Jansing reports every weekday, 1 00 to 3 00 p. M. Eastern. Our coverage continues with Katy Tur Reports right after this short break. 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