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Hes an outspoken republican critic of donald trump. Now, hes running for the senate. Our Keynote Conversation with former maryland governor, larry hogan, on the direction of the gop as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. Good evening once again, im Stephanie Ruhle live from washington d. C. Get out your sharpie and your old School Calendar because we are now 246 days away. Cross them off, from the election. The Supreme Court has officially ruled on a key question looming over the president ial race, the day before Super Tuesday. Today, all nine justices rejected colorados effort to kick former President Trump off the ballot because of his actions leading up to january 6th. The decision applies to all states, basically ending the effort to remove trump from ballots around the country. The courts ruling comes on what was supposed to be day one of trumps federal election interference trial, but that has now been delayed by the Supreme Court. My colleague Laura Jarrett breaks down todays decision. Reporter tonight, the u. S. Supreme Court Dealing a final blow to states trying to ban former President Trump from the ballot. In a unanimous decision, the justices effectively leaving it up to voters to decide. If the former president returns to the white house. Mr. Trump, praising todays ruling. The voters can take the person out of the race very quickly, but a court shouldnt be doing that. Reporter the justices rejecting the Colorado State courts ruling finding mr. Trump ineligible to be president under Section Three of the 14th Amendment. A largely untested clause of the constitution passed after the civil, disqualifying those who engage in insurrection from Holding Public office again. And Elections Officials in maine, and a judge in illinois, later doing the same. Banning the republican front runner from the ballot in those states, in light of his actions on january 6th. Todays ruling from the high court now ending all similar efforts to disqualify mr. Trump from the ballot. Most states were thrilled to have me. There were some that didnt they didnt want that for political reasons. Reporter the justices today saying that patchwork of different rulings across the country cannot stand. Binding responsibility for enforcing Section Three against federal officeholders and candidates rests with congress and not the states. At the same time, the three liberal justices accusing their conservative colleagues of going too far on Ruling Congress must enact new legislation for banning president ial candidates. Writing, this really will make it harder to bar an oath breaking insurrectionists from becoming president. Conservative Justice Barrett cautioning, this court should turn the National Temperatures down, not up. Earlier tonight, one of the colorado voters who brought the case and who voted for donald trump in 2020 reacted to the courts ruling. The fact is that, if we do not enforce the constitution, if we keep an insurrectionist on the ballot, that is not disruptive, thats dangerous. The courts next big case related to the former president and current republican front runner involves his claim of immunity from prosecution. That hearing is set for people on the 22nd. Meanwhile, in new york, trumps former chief financial adviser, weisselberg, pleaded guilty to perjury in testimony for trump civil fraud trial. He will be sentenced next month. He is not expected to be forced to testify against trump in an upcoming hush money case. Keep in mind, this is weisselbergs second guilty plea. Remember in 2022, he admitted carrying out a multi yearslong Tax Fraud Scheme that spent a total of 100 days behind bars. With that, lets get smarter with our leadoff panel. Sank hague joins, us reporter for the new york times, she is reported on Donald Trumps finances for years, marshals of stern joins us, Senior Writer covering the courts and the law at slate and and push condor, federal prosecutor and Senior Writer for politico. I can, i want to start with sharing a bit of a very concerned a former federal judge, Michael Luttig said, reacting todays decision from the Supreme Court. Watch this. The court today decided that no person in the future will ever be disqualified under Section Three of the 14th Amendment regardless whether he or she has engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the United States. Its stunning in its overreach. Was this a ruling you expect . It was the ruling i expected. By the way, pointed correction, thats not what the [inaudible] today. Not never. What the court held is that congress has to enact legislation in order for this provision to take some effect. Point of correction. In any case, yes, i expected this to happen. This ruling, emil hemus the president was that it was 90 opposed to 72 or a one. This was a long shot challenge from the start. If You Familiars with yourself but the case from the beginning, when a bunch of law for forces professors got on force long shot elements to it. Of was not terribly surprised that it got shut down. Well, i was not terribly surprise that donald trump did an interview today and mischaracterized the whole thing. I want to share a little bit a bit. It was a radio interview. Listen. I was very honored by a 19 nothing about. And this is for future president s. This is not for me. This is for future president s, all president s. The court did not say that. The court did not say that he was not an insurrectionist. What is your take away from the ruling . First, i think the court really wanted to take this issue off the table for the 2024 election. I do think that that held across all nine justices. The court was unanimous in saying a state cant go it alone. A state can simply decide, we are going to unilaterally remove this person from the ballot. However, the court split so very sharply on the question of how exactly the section of the 14th [inaudible] a crucial section enacted in the wake of the civil war to prevent insurrectionist from holding office, can be enforced. Five justices, five conservatives, reached out and grabbed this issue that really was not necessary to decide the casing, only congress can enforce this section to enable legislation. Does anyone seriously think that congress is going to do that so long as it remains divided . There were four other justices, the three liberals and barrett, who dissented from that. The three liberals more sharply than barrett, but i think it really doesnt sound quite right to say that this was unanimous when the court were so fractured over why exactly trump should remain on the ballot and how far into the future this relations stretch when it comes to shielding or not shielding other interest other insurrectionists. Go deeper. Take us inside the court. While it was unanimous decision, liberals had their criticisms, Amy Coney Barrett came out and said, we need to be united here, we need to take down the temperature. What is going on . Well, the three liberals separate opinion was actually a style as a concurrence. I looked at the metadata and the decision. It was originally styled as a descent. In fact, there is more. That opinion, well i stated to be a joint authored by the wealthy liberal justices, it was actually originally authored by sotomayor by herself. At some point in the process, The Other Two liberals joined. Deciding to make it a show of force and agreement among the three liberals. They arent met. They are upset about this decision. It used some very stormy rhetoric, but i think its a trademark of sort of mira and the justices signed on to just say, we really resent the court thus far. Justice barrett, even though she ultimately actually built the majority went too far as, well she scolded the three liberal justices, telling them, you know, i agree that this went too far, but we need to turn that National Temperature down. We should not be in this election season saying anything that sounds strident or political. What does the justices action today tell you, in terms of clues, of how they might handle this Immunity Claim . Look, i think there was already a lot of anxiety about how theyre handling this Immunity Claim. Theyre handling the Immunity Claim. I have that exciting myself. The way that theyve handled it so far is taking too long, its taking too long. They are putting it serious risk the prospect of a trial in the january 6th case before the fall. Some people think thats off of the table. I think theres still a little bit of help. Thats the best you could say at this point. Facing the Justice System. Suzanne, first of all, i love your house so much. Every single time you join us from home, i want to do the whole show from there. Can we break this down . The idea that the former president and current republican front runners longtime cfo, weisselberg or, has been with the trump family for decades. This man is about to go to jail for the second time for lying on behalf of donald trump. This should be a monster story. Yet, its like page three. How exactly did we get here again . Right, incredible, his second trip to Rikers Island for was looking to be five months. This one started during the civil trial, the one that donald trump is facing in that huge multi Million Dollar penalty hes going to have to put up on bond for shortly. In the middle of the trial, allen by silberg ott on the stand and he was talking about his role and very aspects of evaluations. He said during that that he really had no role in valuing Donald Trumps try flex, the famous apartment Donald Trumps lives in, that he claimed was 30,000 square feet, its really 10,000 square feet. Allen weisselberg really distance themselves from the evaluation. Almost immediately afterward, the reporter at forbes put a story up that had huge documentation showing weisselberg was all over the evaluation when it came to dealing with forms on that. Of course, forbes points out the list that names the top billionaires of donald trump always wants to be on. It weisselberg is always at the front of those conversations. Even the headline of the story that was wrote saying was silver lied on the stand. Heads were spinning and almost as Quickly Weisselberg was facing perjury charges, which got him into court this morning. Now, has him on another round trip to get to rikers. Live on the stand, on behalf of donald trump. Its like Allen Weisselberg can have his own hegemony case. He is the one that continues to get paid to misrepresent donald trump and his businesses. Can you remind our audience of how close this man is to trump and his family . What an internal part he has been in the trump organization, which is a tiny business and he has been a key member. Its incredible. Im currently writing a book on donald trump and his money. In doing that, were going back and looking back to Donald Trumps father and Allen Weisselberg has been in the frame for 50 years. 50. 50. He was to read trump, he got hired by donald trump. Hes been there every single step of the way. He knows where every penny is in that organization. Hes crucial. He is now in the middle of another trial coming up, the criminal child that is coming, up the hush money payment trial. I dont expect him to be a witness in. That i think was uncooperative in terms of what he was willing to say that he knew. I think the part of what happened today was, you know, the return trip to Rikers Island blocked and discredited him as a witness. They both does that and sends a message to any other witness that gets up if you understand, this is what is going to happen. He has been at the center of the trump family since donald trump was very young. Hes [inaudible] for 50 some years. Sure has. Ankush, donald trump is trying to fight this gag order that help and break is trying to put in place with this hush money case. He is saying that its an infringement on his freedom of speech, his past social media post, the statements shouldnt matter. Do you think the judge is going to buy it . I doubt it, right . Donald trump has done this a couple of times already. Hes been under a gag order in the civil fraud trial in manhattan, under a gag order in the federal case in washington, d. C. His arguments have not swayed any of these charges. His own behavior is a thing that has gotten him into the situation with these gay corridors being applied all of the place. I would expect that the judge what be quite happy to have one in place, tailored in the right way so as not to do process to choose a frost First Amendment issues. The judge in the other cases have been effective. Been effec. Suzanne, i have to ask you about trumps latest request to delay coming up with the cash in the e. Jean carroll case, right . Its almost 500 million. People are snickering saying, he doesnt have the data. That does not mean that a very, very rich person looking to curry a favor like that next potential president wouldnt cut that bill. Im thinking back to all of the people who through parties and events and booked entire floors at trump hotels and golf courses while he was president , because they wanted to be in Good Standing with him. Right. You mentioned the e. Jean carroll case, thats 83. 3 million. He also has to come up with hundreds of millions for the attorney generals case. Thats something everyone is watching. I think because of the monitor that is over his business, we are going to know how he comes up with the money. He is going to have to either come up with the money, or it looks like hes seeking out a bond in order to do this. Hes going to basically come up with pretty much cash, bonds or stocks, something pretty liquid. These Bond Companies that underwrite these, they want something liwuid because it could go against him and its a high risk bond that they will have to write. Theyre going to want to liquidate it very quickly. We are going to see, i think in short order, its a matter of weeks, just how hes going to come up with the funds. So far, the courts seem unwilling to cut him a break. Hes going have to come up with either the cash or a bond, pretty much in the full amount. In the case of a bond, probably a little bit more. Might not need it. Theyre all sorts of unsavory, very wealthy characters happy to pay his debts and he will owe them bigtime. Suzanne, mark, ankush, thank you for being here. When we come back, we are just minutes away from Super Tuesday. We have an allstar Political Panel here to break down what to expect and what it could mean for candidates heading into november. Later tonights key note interviews with republican governor, larry hogan of maryland. His thoughts on todays Supreme Court decision, no labels, and who he plans to vote for it later this year. The 11th hour, just getting underway on a monday night, live from washington. From was if youre living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hiv pills. Good to go bingewatch. Good to go out even later. With cabenuva, theres no pausing for daily hiv pills. For adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, longacting Hiv Treatment you can get every other month. 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